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| 111. I'm actually kind of fond of both of them. |
| -Ok, I'm just gonna ask. Why do you hate Bill/Hillary Clinton? |
Skip Intro |
Nov-18-08 07:51 PM |
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I love them. |
liberalmuse |
Nov-18-08 07:52 PM |
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Bill Clinton was the worst Democratic President from 1980-2008 |
Kurt_and_Hunter |
Nov-18-08 07:53 PM |
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haha... |
Juniperx |
Nov-18-08 07:54 PM |
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you need to look at his record, pal........take a look here: |
secondwind |
Nov-19-08 06:40 AM |
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So which one do you think was worse? |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Nov-19-08 06:50 AM |
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Do your damn homework before you start yakking about |
lester94111 |
Nov-19-08 10:05 AM |
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LOL. Try this method: read > think > post (He was also the best Dem president 1980-2008) |
Kurt_and_Hunter |
Nov-19-08 10:15 AM |
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Don't Ask Don't Tell, Defense of Marriage Act, NAFTA, |
closeupready |
Nov-18-08 07:53 PM |
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agreed. |
ddeclue |
Nov-18-08 07:56 PM |
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Obama will be the next president. What is the problem with a Clinton in the administration? |
zlt234 |
Nov-18-08 08:06 PM |
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Wrong question, perhaps. |
Orsino |
Nov-19-08 06:53 AM |
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You realize |
ruggerson |
Nov-18-08 08:00 PM |
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Clinton was forced into "Don't Ask Don't Tell" |
AJH032 |
Nov-18-08 08:01 PM |
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You have video footage of the gun being held to his head? Thanks! |
BlooInBloo |
Nov-18-08 08:05 PM |
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Uh, had he not agreed to DADT they were going to write a complete ban into law |
ruggerson |
Nov-18-08 08:13 PM |
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And they naturally had a veto-proof majority, of course. |
BlooInBloo |
Nov-18-08 08:15 PM |
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they not only had a veto proof majority |
ruggerson |
Nov-18-08 08:25 PM |
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I'm not talking about DOMA. |
BlooInBloo |
Nov-18-08 08:26 PM |
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A complete ban never came to a vote |
ruggerson |
Nov-18-08 08:37 PM |
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Posting from the relative comfort of their homes; most DUer's have no relationship with the kinds... |
bridgit |
Nov-19-08 06:58 PM |
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Yes he was. I remember it well. It was the only option he had left. |
Jennicut |
Nov-18-08 11:47 PM |
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I use to dislike Hillary..but my feelings have changed a great |
Doityourself |
Nov-18-08 09:17 PM |
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I don't care much for him either, never did |
Mojorabbit |
Nov-19-08 01:22 AM |
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Which proves you know NOTHING about Don't Ask Don't Tell...NOTHING... |
TankLV |
Nov-18-08 10:41 PM |
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I know I put you on ignore when you were dancing on Anna Nicole Smith's grave |
closeupready |
Nov-19-08 06:26 AM |
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I'll always have a soft spot in my heart for them both... |
Juniperx |
Nov-18-08 07:54 PM |
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Oh, yeah: "and if all that is important to any of you here is my vote on the IWR, find someone else |
closeupready |
Nov-18-08 07:54 PM |
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oh boy here we go. |
Marrah_G |
Nov-18-08 07:55 PM |
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Pass me some. |
rebel with a cause |
Nov-18-08 08:29 PM |
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I alerted when I saw the thread and said |
Ichingcarpenter |
Nov-18-08 08:41 PM |
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Are there people on DU who don't like Bill & Hillary? |
Rockholm |
Nov-18-08 08:59 PM |
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You must not use the word like or dislike |
Ichingcarpenter |
Nov-18-08 09:09 PM |
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As Du's President I Officially Pardon the Clintons for all his pardons |
Ichingcarpenter |
Nov-18-08 09:35 PM |
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Pardon me? |
Rockholm |
Nov-19-08 02:42 PM |
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I had some problems with a few of Hillary's votes so she wasn't originally my primary fav |
saracat |
Nov-18-08 07:55 PM |
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Does that mean that you have forgiven Kerry and Kennedy |
karynnj |
Nov-19-08 06:26 PM |
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Whats to forgive? I don't agree with them but I am not required to. |
saracat |
Nov-19-08 11:24 PM |
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I like him. I think he had potential to be much better, but he was very good. |
Katzenkavalier |
Nov-18-08 07:57 PM |
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3 strikes your out program. Many more non-violent drug offenders in prison mostly people of color. |
mucifer |
Nov-18-08 07:58 PM |
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Mandatory Minimums have decimated some levels of the Working Class. nt |
patrice |
Nov-18-08 08:11 PM |
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The 3 strikes and you're out laws are state laws enacted by state legislatures |
rvablue |
Nov-19-08 12:12 PM |
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My prediction: Everyone who has a long list of the reasons why they didn't much care for Clinton |
rvablue |
Nov-19-08 12:20 PM |
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I'm not trying to rehash anything, I'm not trying to start a flame war |
Ichingcarpenter |
Nov-18-08 07:58 PM |
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A lot of the hatred here on DU towards the Clintons stems from jealousy |
mtnsnake |
Nov-18-08 07:59 PM |
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NOT JEALOUSY. IT'S THEIR POLICIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Nov-18-08 09:04 PM |
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Yikes! You don't have to yell. I already said that some people have legitimate concerns |
mtnsnake |
Nov-18-08 09:20 PM |
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I'm just sick and tired of being called a hater just because I don't agree with and worship |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Nov-19-08 11:03 AM |
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Which proves you don't know what your spewing...especially Don't Ask Don't Tell... |
TankLV |
Nov-18-08 10:43 PM |
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I do know SHIT. I understand that Clinton may have been pressured into pushing for DADT |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Nov-19-08 11:05 AM |
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Ah... in the interest of accuracy |
flashback |
Nov-18-08 11:44 PM |
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A mistake of my typewriting. Not a mistake on the underlying issue. |
Liberal_Stalwart71 |
Nov-19-08 11:04 AM |
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neither, i have never understood the out right love or hate for them, i know very few |
chimpsrsmarter |
Nov-18-08 08:00 PM |
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I feel pretty neutral about him |
ruggerson |
Nov-18-08 08:08 PM |
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I have a "thing" about race-baiting war-mongers. I understand that not everybody does... |
BlooInBloo |
Nov-18-08 08:00 PM |
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I always thought highly of the Clintons until actually after they left office. |
firedupdem |
Nov-18-08 08:03 PM |
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I don't hate the Clintons. |
Spider Jerusalem |
Nov-18-08 08:04 PM |
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nailed it. |
patrice |
Nov-18-08 08:17 PM |
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That's a great post. I, too, find the cult of personality creepy. |
Erin Elizabeth |
Nov-18-08 08:43 PM |
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Thank you for a fabulous post. |
OwnedByFerrets |
Nov-18-08 10:08 PM |
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Ditto on your excellent post. |
AtomicKitten |
Nov-18-08 10:50 PM |
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Exactly! |
invictus |
Nov-19-08 10:24 AM |
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Hate is the wrong word, but there is nothing irrational about |
ProSense |
Nov-18-08 08:04 PM |
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Perfect list! |
Democrafty |
Nov-18-08 08:06 PM |
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It's not hatred. Neither one of them has ever convinced me that there's a |
patrice |
Nov-18-08 08:04 PM |
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It is the sense of entitlement that bothers me most. |
cyndensco |
Nov-18-08 08:06 PM |
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You are creating this sense of entitlement. It does not actually exist. |
zlt234 |
Nov-18-08 08:08 PM |
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What experience? Being First Lady for eight years? |
expatriate |
Nov-19-08 12:58 AM |
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Is it possible to not agree with the Clintons without being accused of hating them? |
elocs |
Nov-18-08 08:10 PM |
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Please forgive me. I'm no doubt ruining it for lots of innocent DUers. |
scarletwoman |
Nov-18-08 08:36 PM |
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How exactly do you hurt them with your hate? Are you teaching them a lesson? |
elocs |
Nov-18-08 09:08 PM |
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Your questions are silly. I'm not looking to accomplish anything out of my antipathy for |
scarletwoman |
Nov-18-08 09:19 PM |
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You are 100% wrong. I am not sticking up for Clinton critics. |
elocs |
Nov-19-08 08:11 AM |
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Please don't waste a nanosecond of concern for the quality of my life. |
scarletwoman |
Nov-19-08 06:23 PM |
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I don't hate them, but they need to realize that they LOST the fucking primary |
Sebastian Doyle |
Nov-18-08 08:11 PM |
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What has happened in the two |
leftynyc |
Nov-19-08 11:19 AM |
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none from me |
tigereye |
Nov-18-08 08:11 PM |
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I like them just fine. But I also have some issues w/ them (mostly Bill). |
mwei924 |
Nov-18-08 08:23 PM |
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The Clintons would be the BEST DAMN THING that ever happened to the State Department. |
Double T |
Nov-18-08 08:23 PM |
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Yah - I hear Clinton just OBLITERATES them in Iran, for example. I totally see what you mean. |
BlooInBloo |
Nov-18-08 08:28 PM |
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'The Clintons'... there you go, that is what bothers me... |
Whisp |
Nov-19-08 01:13 AM |
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Clintons did SO WELL for world when he deep-sixed BCCI matters throughout 90s to protect Bush1 |
blm |
Nov-19-08 11:21 AM |
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Normally I'd do an extensive and exhaustive list with links to citations in order to make my case. |
scarletwoman |
Nov-18-08 08:30 PM |
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Hard for a sane person to argue with that. |
OwnedByFerrets |
Nov-18-08 10:10 PM |
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Do you kiss anybody with that mouth? |
jhrobbins |
Nov-18-08 10:17 PM |
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Don't worry. I won't kiss YOU. |
scarletwoman |
Nov-18-08 10:22 PM |
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Thanks - on so many levels. |
jhrobbins |
Nov-18-08 10:29 PM |
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You're welcome -- on at least as many levels. |
scarletwoman |
Nov-18-08 10:31 PM |
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Which again proves you know NOTHING... |
TankLV |
Nov-18-08 10:45 PM |
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Proved "again", eh? I'm flattered that you've been keeping track. |
scarletwoman |
Nov-19-08 06:27 AM |
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Another good post. Thanks for writing that. n/t |
superduperfarleft |
Nov-19-08 10:03 AM |
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Funny, my post is sorta like the Clintons -- some people like it, some people hate it. |
scarletwoman |
Nov-19-08 05:56 PM |
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What a piece of crap rant |
leftynyc |
Nov-19-08 11:26 AM |
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"And that's all the time I'm giving to you." Aw, really, you shouldn't have. |
scarletwoman |
Nov-19-08 05:55 PM |
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I'm not sure I would say I HATE them. |
Erin Elizabeth |
Nov-18-08 08:41 PM |
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I love the Clintons. |
emilyg |
Nov-18-08 08:42 PM |
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Hate is too strong of a word |
Mystery2Me |
Nov-18-08 08:53 PM |
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I don't hate them, but, frankly, they both really made me sick during the primaries. |
Oregonian |
Nov-18-08 08:55 PM |
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I don't hate them, but then there was the Lewinsky affair |
Alcibiades |
Nov-18-08 09:09 PM |
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Also, if he'd kept it zipped it would have been a lot harder for them to steal the election in 2000. |
Oregonian |
Nov-18-08 09:11 PM |
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I don't hate them. I just think a lot of what Clinton did as president wasn't cool. |
Elrond Hubbard |
Nov-18-08 09:10 PM |
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DOMA, NAFTA, Welfare reform, blow jobs and cigars, the obliteration of Iran, just to name a few. |
IsItJustMe |
Nov-18-08 09:11 PM |
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bait... supposition being that opposition is rooted in irrationality |
happychatter |
Nov-18-08 09:13 PM |
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It's not about the hate. It's about the duplicitousness and the phoniness. That's all. |
political_Dem |
Nov-18-08 09:15 PM |
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I like them. |
jaredh |
Nov-18-08 09:21 PM |
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Because Hillary is a compulsive liar with poor judgement in picking campaign staff. |
obiwan |
Nov-18-08 09:30 PM |
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Rush, is that you? |
Beacool |
Nov-18-08 11:59 PM |
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I admire Hillary, I loved Bill for so much that he did... |
Jackeens_for_Obama |
Nov-18-08 09:31 PM |
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Hillary's take no prisoners campaign turned me off of her and Bill both. |
Hieronymus |
Nov-18-08 09:38 PM |
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I dont hate either of them, but you completely whitewash all the |
OwnedByFerrets |
Nov-18-08 10:04 PM |
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Global trade? 8 years of Bush? Almost screwing up this election too? |
Waiting For Everyman |
Nov-18-08 10:17 PM |
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I'll never forgive her for her tactics and prolonging the primary |
Wolsh |
Nov-18-08 10:20 PM |
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I don't get it either. I'm very fond of them both. n/t |
InvisibleTouch |
Nov-18-08 10:31 PM |
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I like them just fine. It's Joe Freaking Lieberman who I cant stand. n/t |
Dr Fate |
Nov-18-08 10:32 PM |
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Dog-whistling about what happened to RFK "in June" is something not even McCain or Palin stooped to. |
apocalypsehow |
Nov-18-08 10:47 PM |
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I consider myself more of a Hillary supporter than a supporter of Bill. |
MetricSystem |
Nov-18-08 11:00 PM |
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for me its just one thing |
mkultra |
Nov-18-08 11:52 PM |
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You can also tack on these things as well: |
political_Dem |
Nov-18-08 11:54 PM |
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No pun intended right? |
Raineyb |
Nov-19-08 08:21 PM |
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Raineyb, when I read what I said again, it was a "face-palm" moment. :( |
political_Dem |
Nov-20-08 12:48 AM |
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No offense was taken. |
Raineyb |
Nov-20-08 08:37 AM |
#153 |
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my family and I suffered enormously during the Clinton years. |
expatriate |
Nov-19-08 01:23 AM |
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Hey, I will not put up with any criticisms of Bill Clinton. |
ContinentalOp |
Nov-19-08 03:26 AM |
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Beautiful post. Thank you for writing that. |
superduperfarleft |
Nov-19-08 10:01 AM |
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Your post show so much ignorance it's breathtaking........... |
rvablue |
Nov-19-08 12:19 PM |
#136 |
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I don't hate them. But Bill is slightly right of center |
Indenturedebtor |
Nov-19-08 01:48 AM |
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hahahaah! The OP just got smacked with a brazillion perfectly rational and valid reasons... |
BlooInBloo |
Nov-19-08 02:15 AM |
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It appears that 75% of the posters responding DO NOT hate the Clintons. |
TexasObserver |
Nov-19-08 03:31 AM |
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I have come to the conclusion that some DUers have formed negative opinions |
Arkansas Granny |
Nov-19-08 07:53 AM |
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yup |
Marrah_G |
Nov-19-08 09:32 AM |
#107 |
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nope I just dont think it was necessary to stoop that low. |
marimour |
Nov-19-08 09:54 AM |
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There are plenty of reasons that have nothing to do with the primaries to dislike the Clintons |
Raineyb |
Nov-19-08 08:26 PM |
#148 |
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It is irrational. End of story. |
1corona4u |
Nov-19-08 08:44 AM |
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It's is not irrational for people to have issues with the Clintons |
ProSense |
Nov-19-08 08:53 AM |
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No, it's just irrational to be obsessed with them... |
1corona4u |
Nov-19-08 09:42 AM |
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Yes, it is an obsession. The Clintons were moderate, did a fairly good job of running the country |
Jennicut |
Nov-19-08 09:49 AM |
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It's irrational to continue mischaracterizing people's ciriticism of the Clintons as an obsession. |
ProSense |
Nov-19-08 09:56 AM |
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Kind of hard to ignore it, when it's 9 out of 10 threads on the board. |
1corona4u |
Nov-19-08 10:12 AM |
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The DLC. (nt) |
w4rma |
Nov-19-08 09:52 AM |
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I'm actually kind of fond of both of them. |
WI_DEM |
Nov-19-08 09:52 AM |
#111 |
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Dynasty |
snooper2 |
Nov-19-08 10:06 AM |
#117 |
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fyi, equating criticism to "hate" goes kinda overboard... |
dionysus |
Nov-19-08 10:08 AM |
#118 |
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Try "dislike", which I believe has been mentioned in this thread. |
area51 |
Nov-19-08 11:14 AM |
#125 |
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I love Hillary and Bill...n/t |
cricket08 |
Nov-19-08 11:41 AM |
#129 |
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I want to drink their bath water. n/t |
greguganus |
Nov-19-08 11:48 AM |
#130 |
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The Democrats didn't attack Clinton when he was president. |
Life Long Dem |
Nov-19-08 11:53 AM |
#131 |
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How about a series of letters: DLC, NAFTA, DMCA |
Roland99 |
Nov-19-08 11:54 AM |
#132 |
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The framing of this would make Lou Dobbs proud. |
Forkboy |
Nov-19-08 11:54 AM |
#133 |
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video game censorship. |
Bornaginhooligan |
Nov-19-08 12:08 PM |
#134 |
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I love them both. |
shaniqua6392 |
Nov-19-08 12:44 PM |
#138 |
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Don't hate. Two things about the Clinton presidency |
politicasista |
Nov-19-08 06:15 PM |
#142 |
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republican members of congress still allude that the Clinton's were involved in the murder... |
bridgit |
Nov-19-08 07:01 PM |
#146 |
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No hate here |
sniffa |
Nov-19-08 08:26 PM |
#149 |
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Cuz their museum sells Republican gear to children. |
IamyourTVandIownyou |
Nov-19-08 08:48 PM |
#150 |
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