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Wed Jul-09-08 03:47 PM
Response to Reply #146 |
| 151. Enjoy your stay here-no matter how short it may be. |
| -So Senator Obama voted yes on FISA and Senator Clinton voted no? |
Seen the light |
Jul-09-08 02:29 PM |
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Jul-09-08 02:30 PM |
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Welcome to DU! |
democrattotheend |
Jul-09-08 02:30 PM |
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And farewell. n/t |
LowerManhattanite |
Jul-09-08 02:39 PM |
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Smart politics on her part |
democrattotheend |
Jul-09-08 02:30 PM |
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agree. nm |
TeamJordan23 |
Jul-09-08 02:31 PM |
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Go Hillary! |
leftofcool |
Jul-09-08 02:30 PM |
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Jul-09-08 02:31 PM |
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I love Hillary. |
emilyg |
Jul-09-08 07:28 PM |
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Clinton is not running for anything. She doesn't matter now. If the situation was |
wienerdoggie |
Jul-09-08 02:31 PM |
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Either way, we are all losers. |
FredfromSpace |
Jul-09-08 02:32 PM |
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Somehow, we shall go on. |
wienerdoggie |
Jul-09-08 02:33 PM |
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I fear this plays into the Puke's hands more than a YEs would have |
FredfromSpace |
Jul-09-08 03:26 PM |
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Obama voted against telecom immunity, but refused to obstruct final passage |
wienerdoggie |
Jul-09-08 03:28 PM |
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He also promised to support a filibuster. |
FredfromSpace |
Jul-09-08 03:31 PM |
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So, you hope he loses? Is that what you mean by "haunt him"? |
wienerdoggie |
Jul-09-08 03:34 PM |
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I still hope he wins |
FredfromSpace |
Jul-09-08 03:43 PM |
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Calling him "lousy" and "half-assed"--Free Republic is that-a-way. |
wienerdoggie |
Jul-09-08 03:45 PM |
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Who Are the Brain Police? |
FredfromSpace |
Jul-09-08 04:08 PM |
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Which is voting for the war after voting against it. |
nosmokes |
Jul-09-08 04:08 PM |
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But isn't she still angling to be on the ticket? |
Seen the light |
Jul-09-08 02:33 PM |
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If that's the case |
gateley |
Jul-09-08 03:35 PM |
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Is your post |
BOSSHOG |
Jul-09-08 02:36 PM |
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Yep--he would have voted differently, if he didn't have the welfare of the entire Democratic party, |
wienerdoggie |
Jul-09-08 02:38 PM |
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I still don't see how a "no" vote would have been so damning come November |
Seen the light |
Jul-09-08 02:40 PM |
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Ad: "Barack Obama voted NO on spying on foreign terrorists--will he keep America safe?" |
wienerdoggie |
Jul-09-08 02:43 PM |
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But McCain missed the vote completely |
Seen the light |
Jul-09-08 02:57 PM |
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You are counting on the media to inform people that McCain didn't bother? |
wienerdoggie |
Jul-09-08 02:59 PM |
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I don't know? Skip the media completely and put it in a response ad? |
Seen the light |
Jul-09-08 03:09 PM |
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I think she voted against it because she has NO upcoming elections-- |
wienerdoggie |
Jul-09-08 03:11 PM |
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So the only reason for dems to vote like dems is if they're up for re-election? Pathetic. |
LVjinx |
Jul-10-08 03:09 AM |
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McCain has missed more votes than Obama but the talking point is *only* about Obama's missed votes. |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Jul-09-08 03:00 PM |
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you are correct |
comradebillyboy |
Jul-09-08 03:52 PM |
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So after he gets the nomination |
BOSSHOG |
Jul-09-08 02:46 PM |
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Why are so many people bringing Teh Stoopid today? |
wienerdoggie |
Jul-09-08 02:49 PM |
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I have no idea Wiener |
BOSSHOG |
Jul-09-08 02:53 PM |
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Guess what, WD? |
Pigwidgeon |
Jul-09-08 02:39 PM |
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No equivalence between allowing the FISA bill to pass and giving Bush |
wienerdoggie |
Jul-09-08 02:41 PM |
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Please tell me why |
polmaven |
Jul-09-08 03:14 PM |
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Eat your nice rhubarb |
JoFerret |
Jul-10-08 04:56 AM |
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Obama is running for president. Senator Clinton is not. |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Jul-09-08 02:31 PM |
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Especially if there is another "terrorist" attack. |
Drunken Irishman |
Jul-09-08 02:33 PM |
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Hmmm |
leftynyc |
Jul-09-08 02:34 PM |
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FISA is going to kill thousands of people, including our soldiers, and cost |
wienerdoggie |
Jul-09-08 02:35 PM |
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Oh - I get it |
leftynyc |
Jul-09-08 02:53 PM |
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This bill won't destroy the country. Please. It's not perfect, it may have |
wienerdoggie |
Jul-09-08 02:58 PM |
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You honestly don't see how this |
leftynyc |
Jul-09-08 03:00 PM |
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I repeat: One foreign surveillance bill will not destroy the country. |
wienerdoggie |
Jul-09-08 03:04 PM |
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ACLU plans to fight it anyway after Bush OKs it. |
Radio_Lady |
Jul-09-08 03:07 PM |
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Obama is the presumptive nominee, not a primary contender? |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Jul-09-08 02:36 PM |
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I'm voting for Sen Obama regardless |
leftynyc |
Jul-09-08 02:51 PM |
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Maybe she is smarter now. |
Redbear |
Jul-09-08 02:37 PM |
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True dat |
leftynyc |
Jul-09-08 02:49 PM |
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Yeah, she is smarter |
merh |
Jul-09-08 03:00 PM |
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It's irrelevant but voting for a bill you didn't read is quite different |
OhioBlues |
Jul-09-08 02:39 PM |
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Will people be more forgiving of the |
leftynyc |
Jul-09-08 02:48 PM |
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I would. I don't know about others. |
OhioBlues |
Jul-09-08 02:59 PM |
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If it is irrelevant |
polmaven |
Jul-09-08 03:16 PM |
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For the same reason you thought to reply to me I suspect. nt |
OhioBlues |
Jul-09-08 05:34 PM |
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If Hillary was "running for President" in 2002 |
newmajority |
Jul-09-08 02:48 PM |
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Oh - so that's what matters |
leftynyc |
Jul-09-08 02:54 PM |
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You're the one making that argument, not me. |
newmajority |
Jul-09-08 03:21 PM |
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Not really |
leftynyc |
Jul-09-08 03:37 PM |
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But Clinton co-sponsored |
Marie26 |
Jul-09-08 02:50 PM |
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dupe. nt |
Marie26 |
Jul-09-08 02:50 PM |
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Someone's running for President in 2008 |
BeyondGeography |
Jul-09-08 02:31 PM |
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Jul-09-08 02:33 PM |
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Right, Mr. 8 posts |
BeyondGeography |
Jul-09-08 02:34 PM |
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Obama voted against the war in Iraq, Hillary votef for it---when was she always fighting for us?! |
vaberella |
Jul-09-08 02:35 PM |
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He did not vote against it. He spoke out against it. |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Jul-09-08 02:37 PM |
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He was a legislator in Illinois |
polmaven |
Jul-09-08 03:18 PM |
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Well, this way Obama can have it both ways |
mvd |
Jul-09-08 02:33 PM |
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I don't think so |
liberal1973 |
Jul-09-08 02:35 PM |
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What I mean is it could be smart framing of the message |
mvd |
Jul-09-08 02:38 PM |
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Yeah, sort of like voting "present". nt |
Marie26 |
Jul-09-08 02:52 PM |
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I think that's a misunderstanding of how the "present" vote works in Illinois. |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Jul-09-08 02:53 PM |
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Perhaps. But the larger point stands. |
Marie26 |
Jul-09-08 02:54 PM |
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That strategy was proposed by the Illinois Planned Parenthood. They asked Obama to vote that way. |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Jul-09-08 02:59 PM |
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Hi, SCQ! |
mvd |
Jul-09-08 03:08 PM |
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Yeah, it is a bad bill |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Jul-09-08 03:34 PM |
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Clinton is running for 2012. |
cryingshame |
Jul-09-08 02:33 PM |
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She's always been Pro-War and commended McCain. If the shoe was on the other foot |
vaberella |
Jul-09-08 02:34 PM |
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you and me both |
helderheid |
Jul-09-08 02:34 PM |
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I don't know why that surprises you. n/t |
LWolf |
Jul-09-08 02:35 PM |
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For one, she did not even vote on the Dodd amendment back in February |
democrattotheend |
Jul-09-08 02:37 PM |
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she hasn't been silent on the issue |
paulk |
Jul-09-08 02:41 PM |
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You know, |
LWolf |
Jul-09-08 02:44 PM |
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Just give her the credit due her and move on |
Tom Rinaldo |
Jul-09-08 02:46 PM |
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I said she deserves credit for her vote today |
democrattotheend |
Jul-09-08 02:50 PM |
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You're being fair about it |
Tom Rinaldo |
Jul-09-08 02:58 PM |
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And you are getting your |
polmaven |
Jul-09-08 03:23 PM |
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Who's Kreskin the Magnificent? |
democrattotheend |
Jul-09-08 04:12 PM |
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Oh, I guess I'm a little older than you are... |
polmaven |
Jul-09-08 05:09 PM |
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Once again-a vote for political reasons-just like her vote for the IWR and K/L... |
jenmito |
Jul-09-08 02:35 PM |
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That's my thinking |
democrattotheend |
Jul-09-08 02:38 PM |
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Yup... |
jenmito |
Jul-09-08 02:41 PM |
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Oh, Hillary's vote was for poltical reasons? |
Skip Intro |
Jul-09-08 02:46 PM |
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Of course it was! And as suspected, they're now talking about it on MSNBC about how |
jenmito |
Jul-09-08 02:55 PM |
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Are you actually blaming Hillary for Obama's vote? |
Skip Intro |
Jul-09-08 03:02 PM |
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I'm blaming her for causing more reason to keep our party divided. |
jenmito |
Jul-09-08 03:07 PM |
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So she should have voted the |
leftynyc |
Jul-09-08 03:11 PM |
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She should've not voted at all. For the good of the party. |
jenmito |
Jul-09-08 03:14 PM |
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Okay - I think I get it now |
leftynyc |
Jul-09-08 03:17 PM |
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Not all of them-just Hillary-who's supposedly trying to unite her voters with his. |
jenmito |
Jul-09-08 03:20 PM |
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I can't believe you mean this |
leftynyc |
Jul-09-08 03:34 PM |
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She knew it would pass anyway. I'm one of her constituents, too, and I'm |
jenmito |
Jul-09-08 03:37 PM |
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So now voting the right was is |
leftynyc |
Jul-09-08 03:39 PM |
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Why are you having trouble? She, like Obama, voted to strip immunity out of the bill... |
jenmito |
Jul-09-08 03:43 PM |
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Don't even try to understand. |
polmaven |
Jul-09-08 05:24 PM |
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Tell her you're voting for Lee Mercer, Jr. and see what happens |
LostinVA |
Jul-09-08 05:30 PM |
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Are you for real????????? |
Beacool |
Jul-09-08 10:55 PM |
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Senator Clinton voted correctly. If it makes Obama look like an ass, whose fault is that? |
LVjinx |
Jul-10-08 03:14 AM |
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And now we finally know that if Obama was in the Senate he |
HopeLives |
Jul-09-08 02:46 PM |
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No we DON'T know that. He spoke out against it while he was in the IL Senate and was about to run |
jenmito |
Jul-09-08 02:57 PM |
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Yes and then he gave him self some wiggle room in 2004, |
HopeLives |
Jul-09-08 03:14 PM |
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No he didn't. He was protecting Kerry and Edwards, who both voted FOR it-and he was the keynote |
jenmito |
Jul-09-08 03:18 PM |
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You're seriously wrong, and walking on thin ice with that suggestion... |
NYC_SKP |
Jul-09-08 03:25 PM |
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... |
jenmito |
Jul-09-08 03:39 PM |
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What fucking nonsense |
leftynyc |
Jul-09-08 03:10 PM |
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No, I'm NOT saying his vote wasn't political. He's the nominee. |
jenmito |
Jul-09-08 03:13 PM |
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And if she doesn't believe in it |
polmaven |
Jul-09-08 03:25 PM |
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Obama had to vote "yes". The dems were complicit in crime. |
wurzel |
Jul-09-08 02:37 PM |
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Oh yes, if the Democrats stood for the right position, it would have.. |
mvd |
Jul-09-08 02:39 PM |
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get used to it... |
paulk |
Jul-09-08 02:38 PM |
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She's no longer running for president |
larissa |
Jul-09-08 02:42 PM |
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Whe he becomes President, we will certainly be more vocal |
mvd |
Jul-09-08 02:46 PM |
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Jul-09-08 02:48 PM |
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Regardless of whether DU'ers agree or disagree.. |
larissa |
Jul-09-08 03:07 PM |
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your post was not relevant to mine |
paulk |
Jul-09-08 07:26 PM |
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That's right, Obama voted yes. That's what's important. |
The_Casual_Observer |
Jul-09-08 02:39 PM |
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Vote for Obama anyway |
Pigwidgeon |
Jul-09-08 02:40 PM |
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Good luck cracking that whip. :/ |
Bluebear |
Jul-09-08 02:53 PM |
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The whip has no effect it seems...nt |
cags |
Jul-09-08 02:53 PM |
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We don't have any other choice. |
The_Casual_Observer |
Jul-09-08 02:57 PM |
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Sigh..... I miss Hillary nt |
cags |
Jul-09-08 02:48 PM |
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And that's why she voted against it-for that very reaction-to keep party DISunity. |
jenmito |
Jul-09-08 02:59 PM |
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I don't think so. Voting *no* was the right vote, IMHO. |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Jul-09-08 03:02 PM |
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I agree... but I'm sure Barack thinks he did the right thing too |
cags |
Jul-09-08 03:05 PM |
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Yes, it was-for the wrong reasons IMHO. |
jenmito |
Jul-09-08 03:08 PM |
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It was totally inconsistent with her previous voting record and totally consistent with Clintonian |
cryingshame |
Jul-09-08 03:12 PM |
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Perhaps you can link us to this previous position? I know you aren't just making it up. |
LVjinx |
Jul-10-08 03:20 AM |
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No disunity... It won't change my vote... but you can't be happy with everything |
cags |
Jul-09-08 03:03 PM |
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It won't change YOUR vote, but it can give Hillary supporters another excuse NOT to vote for him |
jenmito |
Jul-09-08 03:10 PM |
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Did they need another excuse? I don't think so |
cags |
Jul-09-08 03:11 PM |
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No, but this IS another excuse. |
jenmito |
Jul-09-08 03:22 PM |
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Exactly. Political expediency, even i f it means ..... |
nomaco-10 |
Jul-09-08 03:04 PM |
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Bullshit! |
polmaven |
Jul-09-08 03:29 PM |
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Oh yeah, Obama casts the wrong vote, but it's Hillary's fault. |
Beacool |
Jul-09-08 10:59 PM |
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Hasn't Hillary always said she'd vote against it? Obama is responsible for his own vote. |
LVjinx |
Jul-10-08 03:19 AM |
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Unbelievable |
romana |
Jul-10-08 04:02 AM |
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Me too!!!!!!!!! |
Beacool |
Jul-09-08 10:58 PM |
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Mine has simply been confirmed. |
jobycom |
Jul-09-08 02:54 PM |
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If I was running, I would have voted no |
mvd |
Jul-09-08 02:57 PM |
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I understand why he did it, and don't really dislike him for it. |
jobycom |
Jul-09-08 03:12 PM |
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What does that mean? Obama was and still is the better candidate. |
ProSense |
Jul-09-08 02:54 PM |
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No surprise there. |
Phx_Dem |
Jul-09-08 02:56 PM |
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She deserves credit for her vote today |
democrattotheend |
Jul-09-08 03:01 PM |
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That's how I see it |
mvd |
Jul-09-08 03:04 PM |
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self-delete |
jenmito |
Jul-09-08 03:01 PM |
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Well....David is wrong on this one |
prodn2000 |
Jul-09-08 03:02 PM |
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I know-which is why I deleted it. |
jenmito |
Jul-09-08 03:06 PM |
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this thread is kind of hilarious. I'm sure there are some lurking freepers who are laughing. |
ErinBerin84 |
Jul-09-08 03:03 PM |
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"sewer" was more the word I had in mind. |
bunnies |
Jul-09-08 03:08 PM |
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Jul-09-08 03:18 PM |
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Make no mistake. A vote for Nader is a vote for McCain. n/t |
elkston |
Jul-09-08 03:22 PM |
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No- a vote for Nader-is a VOTE FOR NADER- no more elitist corporatists thanks |
biglake |
Jul-09-08 03:27 PM |
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Alerted. n/t |
jenmito |
Jul-09-08 03:30 PM |
#133 |
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If so, you can no longer be a member of the DU. Read the rules. n/t |
jenmito |
Jul-09-08 03:23 PM |
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Your threat is perfect jenmito |
biglake |
Jul-09-08 03:32 PM |
#135 |
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It's not a threat. It's a fact: |
jenmito |
Jul-09-08 03:33 PM |
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May not post threats to vote 3rd party on DU? 1st time. I am sure Obama relies on that crap too. |
biglake |
Jul-09-08 03:39 PM |
#146 |
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Enjoy your stay here-no matter how short it may be. |
jenmito |
Jul-09-08 03:47 PM |
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And Lee Mercer, Jr. -- I heard Skinner changed the rules just for Mercenaries |
LostinVA |
Jul-09-08 05:32 PM |
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Nader? This should end well... n/t |
LowerManhattanite |
Jul-09-08 05:27 PM |
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Maybe it already HAS ended well. |
jenmito |
Jul-09-08 05:50 PM |
#163 |
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Yeesh! I go down to the gym for a jog and a carrot juice... |
LowerManhattanite |
Jul-09-08 07:50 PM |
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Ya got THAT right! |
jenmito |
Jul-09-08 07:56 PM |
#168 |
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“Why mah dear” (Best Tennessee Williams character voice)... |
LowerManhattanite |
Jul-09-08 08:03 PM |
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... |
jenmito |
Jul-09-08 08:17 PM |
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Maybe she's learned that centrist voting didn't get her anywhere. |
kerry-is-my-prez |
Jul-09-08 03:34 PM |
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props from this Obama supporter for HRC! |
dmsRoar |
Jul-09-08 03:36 PM |
#142 |
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Well, finally! |
polmaven |
Jul-09-08 03:51 PM |
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Thank you. |
emilyg |
Jul-09-08 07:30 PM |
#166 |
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Go Hillary!!!!!!!!!! |
Beacool |
Jul-09-08 10:47 PM |
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