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105. There's some things in the bill they don't want killed. It's achieving something. I think (edited>>
Edited on Fri Jun-20-08 11:23 PM by TexanDem
we should be a little bit patient. Did you listen to the discussion on Olbermann tonight about this with John Dean? Olbermann was a little disappointed (and I was too knee jerk reaction when I first heard it) but John Dean was seeing how this could be an overall strategy that Obama could still prevail to see to that justice is done in the end. (maybe you can catch it on a rerun). We really do have to give him some maneuvering room here.

edited to add this link:
Did you see this thread -- it's a different perspective

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John Dean on Olbermann YouTube is now up --
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  -My letter to Obama on his FISA vote jgraz  Jun-20-08 08:06 PM   #0 
  - Perfect,, jgraz.  Lugnut   Jun-20-08 08:57 PM   #1 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-20-08 08:58 PM   #2 
  - Threads like this are a good way to separate the real Democrats from the kool-aid drinkers.  jgraz   Jun-20-08 09:07 PM   #5 
     - Just the fact that you're calling people who won't bash Obama "KOOL AID DRINKERS" is telling. If  K Gardner   Jun-20-08 10:16 PM   #65 
        - Maybe I should just call them assholes. Oh wait, that would get my post deleted.  jgraz   Jun-20-08 10:38 PM   #93 
           - Yes, I guess that's why you EDITED your 'kiss my ass' comment, isn't it? Holier than  K Gardner   Jun-21-08 09:15 AM   #139 
              - Holier? No. More mature? Most definitey.  jgraz   Jun-21-08 10:20 AM   #141 
  - Very rude letter  thewiseguy   Jun-20-08 08:58 PM   #3 
  - Oh noes! I'll miss the your brilliant political dialogue.  jgraz   Jun-20-08 09:08 PM   #6 
  - I think you are supposed to be devastated.  QC   Jun-20-08 09:32 PM   #20 
     - Sorry I took so long to reply. I was sobbing into my pillow.  jgraz   Jun-20-08 09:38 PM   #27 
        - I understand. How could one not weep  QC   Jun-20-08 09:47 PM   #31 
  - what is with this trend of annoucing ignores?  FarceOfNature   Jun-20-08 09:47 PM   #33 
  - Apparently it's what all the kool kiddies are doing now. n/t  QC   Jun-20-08 09:53 PM   #36 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-20-08 10:24 PM   #75 
        - Didn't you make a big Broadway production number of putting me on ignore  QC   Jun-20-08 10:34 PM   #86 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-20-08 10:36 PM   #88 
              - Please put me back there and spare me the lunatic drama  QC   Jun-20-08 10:37 PM   #90 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-20-08 10:44 PM   #101 
                    - You have a very troubling pattern of making personal attacks.  QC   Jun-20-08 10:53 PM   #107 
                       - Oh blah blah. Your record of not having a grip or supporting the nominee speaks for itself n/t  Catherina   Jun-20-08 10:56 PM   #111 
                          - I haven't posted anything nearly as critical of Obama as you have tonight.  QC   Jun-20-08 11:00 PM   #115 
                             - It's called not being a craven opportunist. You'll get over it I'm sure n/t  Catherina   Jun-20-08 11:06 PM   #122 
                                - Who are you calling a craven opportunist?  QC   Jun-20-08 11:20 PM   #126 
                                   - Good one but no. I'm calling people who excused war votes and cluster bombs on kids  Catherina   Jun-20-08 11:22 PM   #127 
                                      - Actually, I agree with the criticism you have raised tonight.  QC   Jun-20-08 11:46 PM   #134 
  - Don't, please don't. I made a similar phone call to Obama HQs and told them to check my donations  Catherina   Jun-20-08 10:05 PM   #51 
  - Wrong Battle  The River   Jun-20-08 08:58 PM   #4 
  - He's supposed to be a "different" politician. Sue me if I expect more from him.  jgraz   Jun-20-08 09:09 PM   #7 
  - Hope. Change.  bleuvixen   Jun-20-08 09:19 PM   #8 
  - Excellent point -- my letter is "rude". Pissing on the Constitution is "pragmatic".  jgraz   Jun-20-08 09:21 PM   #9 
  - Right on.  bleuvixen   Jun-20-08 09:23 PM   #10 
  - off topic. but...  IndependentDem   Jun-20-08 09:28 PM   #16 
  - that is a quote  bleuvixen   Jun-20-08 09:33 PM   #21 
     - cool thanks....  IndependentDem   Jun-20-08 09:38 PM   #26 
  - Not to be nasty or snarky - but if you feel that strongly about it  cliffordu   Jun-20-08 09:49 PM   #34 
     - whatever. anyone who has an interest in upholding the Constitution..  FarceOfNature   Jun-20-08 09:54 PM   #39 
     - The anger and vituperation is what I'm talking about.  cliffordu   Jun-20-08 09:59 PM   # 
        - wow two of you in one thread.  FarceOfNature   Jun-20-08 10:03 PM   #49 
           - Anger management?  cliffordu   Jun-20-08 10:06 PM   #53 
              - I have done nothing to insult you, I have merely challenged you to follow through with YOURS  FarceOfNature   Jun-20-08 10:07 PM   #56 
     - No, no Clifford. This is the RIGHT place! If we don't make Obama responsive to us,  Catherina   Jun-20-08 10:13 PM   #63 
        - I believe writing letters is a fine thing - I've done it recently -  cliffordu   Jun-20-08 10:24 PM   #73 
           - I am sending you a PM. Please check it in 5 minutes >>>  Catherina   Jun-20-08 10:38 PM   #94 
  - my thoughts exactly!  IndependentDem   Jun-20-08 09:23 PM   #11 
  - I Won't Sue Ya  The River   Jun-20-08 10:45 PM   #102 
  - There is ENOUGH shit to "undo" to last 500 presidencies without piling on more!  FarceOfNature   Jun-20-08 09:51 PM   #35 
  - Hope you watched John Dean on KO this evening.  FrenchieCat   Jun-20-08 09:23 PM   #12 
  - I plan to. What was the gist of his comments?  jgraz   Jun-20-08 09:24 PM   #13 
  - There are battles and there are wars.  Kristi1696   Jun-20-08 09:25 PM   #14 
  - We can't win the war if we cave on every significant battle.  jgraz   Jun-20-08 09:31 PM   #18 
  - Exactly n/t  Catherina   Jun-20-08 10:14 PM   #64 
  - Yep  ruggerson   Jun-20-08 09:34 PM   #24 
  - I wrote a very different letter...more supportive and strategic tone  Zodiak Ironfist   Jun-20-08 09:28 PM   #15 
  - I hope your view is prophetic.  AuntPatsy   Jun-20-08 09:31 PM   #17 
  - I'd love to see your letter -- especially if it's more diplomatic than mine. ;)  jgraz   Jun-20-08 09:34 PM   #23 
     - I wish I could, but I sent them in web forms  Zodiak Ironfist   Jun-20-08 09:42 PM   #29 
  - The denial is thick around DU, but glad to see some are waking up. nt  TheGoldenRule   Jun-20-08 09:32 PM   #19 
  - You have no room to talk about "denial"  zidzi   Jun-20-08 09:38 PM   #28 
  - What in the hell are you talking about?  TheGoldenRule   Jun-20-08 11:05 PM   #120 
  - You miss a very important point. The activist movement supporting Obama  Catherina   Jun-20-08 10:18 PM   #70 
     - Sorry, but I've seen this before with Pelosi. NO ONE-not even your Obama is gonna do anything  TheGoldenRule   Jun-20-08 11:47 PM   #135 
  - Uh, Obama is a Senator and not in the House.....  cliffordu   Jun-20-08 09:34 PM   #22 
  - He announced today that he would vote in favor of it.  jgraz   Jun-20-08 09:36 PM   #25 
     - He ain't the president yet.  cliffordu   Jun-20-08 09:47 PM   #32 
        - But he's the leader of the Democratic party. He needs to step it up.  jgraz   Jun-20-08 10:01 PM   #46 
           - That is easy for you to say.  cliffordu   Jun-20-08 10:04 PM   #50 
              - Apparently you're hoping he expects less from us  jgraz   Jun-20-08 10:32 PM   #82 
                 - HE HASN'T VOTED ON IT YET.  cliffordu   Jun-20-08 10:34 PM   #85 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-20-08 09:47 PM   #30 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-20-08 09:53 PM   #37 
  - There's absolutely no reason to be so rude and vile.  AZBlue   Jun-20-08 09:57 PM   #41 
     - I can think of nothing ruder or more vile than openly insinuating that someone is a troll.  FarceOfNature   Jun-20-08 10:00 PM   #44 
     - Those are also violations of the civility rules,  QC   Jun-20-08 10:02 PM   #48 
        - Yep, lucky for them I'm not an alert button humper.  FarceOfNature   Jun-20-08 10:05 PM   #52 
     - Really. You accuse me of being a concern troll and then play the victim.  jgraz   Jun-20-08 10:00 PM   #45 
  - oh disgusting.  FarceOfNature   Jun-20-08 09:58 PM   #42 
  - I think it's fair and civil to let others know when I've alerted their posts.  AZBlue   Jun-20-08 10:11 PM   #58 
     - It's a rules violation to announce an alert.  QC   Jun-20-08 10:13 PM   #61 
     - you should be ashamed of breaking DU civility rules.  FarceOfNature   Jun-20-08 10:13 PM   #62 
        - Sorry honesty bothers you.  AZBlue   Jun-20-08 10:26 PM   #77 
           - LOLOLOLOLOL.  FarceOfNature   Jun-20-08 10:42 PM   #97 
              - Have a fabulous evening, Farce!  AZBlue   Jun-20-08 10:43 PM   #99 
  - You seriously believe hers or his outrage to be a reason for alert?  AuntPatsy   Jun-20-08 10:07 PM   #55 
  - No, not at all - as I stated in my post.  AZBlue   Jun-20-08 10:17 PM   #69 
     - Which was your interpretation of what I wrote. Which was wrong.  jgraz   Jun-20-08 10:37 PM   #89 
        - You said:  AZBlue   Jun-20-08 10:39 PM   #95 
           - You continue to miss the point. See nsd's response below.  jgraz   Jun-20-08 10:47 PM   #103 
  - Please back of jgraz. Some of the strongest supporters are really hurting right now  Catherina   Jun-20-08 10:27 PM   #78 
  - Again, as I said in my post:  AZBlue   Jun-20-08 10:31 PM   #81 
     - Where has jpgraz encouraged not supporting Obama?  Catherina   Jun-20-08 10:35 PM   #87 
        - Right here:  AZBlue   Jun-20-08 10:38 PM   #92 
           - Again, that's your interpretation. You asked for no clarification. You just pounced.  jgraz   Jun-20-08 10:42 PM   #98 
           - So, explain.  AZBlue   Jun-20-08 10:44 PM   #100 
           - You could have said that without all your name-calling.  AZBlue   Jun-20-08 10:51 PM   #106 
              - Again. Hate to go all third-grade on you, but you started it with the name-calling.  jgraz   Jun-20-08 11:00 PM   #114 
           - :( I feel the same way despite my immense financial and time investment  Catherina   Jun-20-08 10:50 PM   #104 
  - LOL, your concern is also noted  goldcanyonaz   Jun-20-08 11:01 PM   #116 
  - Once we have absolute majority in congress, we'll get it done  Swingstater   Jun-20-08 09:53 PM   #38 
  - Iraq war, environment & climate change, abortion rights, economic justice, health care.  nsd   Jun-20-08 09:56 PM   #40 
  - No, I'm not saying that (though I can see why you would think that)  jgraz   Jun-20-08 09:59 PM   #43 
     - OK. Point taken.  nsd   Jun-20-08 10:02 PM   #47 
  - ugh, I share your sentiments. I am VERY disappointed as well.....  nightrain   Jun-20-08 10:06 PM   #54 
  - Rude, crude, and unnecessary. He knows what he's doing. If you really support him...>  TexanDem   Jun-20-08 10:11 PM   #57 
  - DING DING DING We have a winner!!! Exactly right.  cliffordu   Jun-20-08 10:12 PM   #60 
  - Exactly wrong. Save your faith for church. All politicians get the "show me" treatment.  jgraz   Jun-20-08 10:17 PM   #68 
  - You're the one w/ all the faith. You think he shoud fix the whole country with one freakin' vote!  TexanDem   Jun-20-08 10:24 PM   #74 
     - Don't be stupid. His vote is the least he could do.  jgraz   Jun-20-08 10:30 PM   #80 
        - Maybe he'll do that, quietly, when it hits the Senate.....  cliffordu   Jun-20-08 10:33 PM   #84 
        - There's some things in the bill they don't want killed. It's achieving something. I think (edited>>  TexanDem   Jun-20-08 10:50 PM   #105 
  - Exactly. And who thinks any candidate is going to do and say 100% of what they want.  AZBlue   Jun-20-08 10:29 PM   #79 
  - Well, now. OP got the ignore treatment, then the troll treatment and  JohnnyLib2   Jun-20-08 10:12 PM   #59 
  - :(  FarceOfNature   Jun-20-08 10:16 PM   #66 
  - I'm sure the Official Alert Alert has already gone out. n/t  QC   Jun-20-08 10:17 PM   #67 
  - Meh, I've been here long enough that I've gotten ALL the treatments  jgraz   Jun-20-08 10:21 PM   #71 
  - Some people prefer us to be mindless cult followers rather than being an informed citizenry...  Solon   Jun-20-08 10:21 PM   #72 
     - God forbid that dittoheads should metabolize......  JohnnyLib2   Jun-20-08 10:26 PM   #76 
  - Fuck it. I'm going to sleep now. 2 full hours early because today Obama broke my heart  Catherina   Jun-20-08 10:33 PM   #83 
  - Catherina, please. I consider you a friend and I want you to PLEASE understand  cliffordu   Jun-20-08 10:37 PM   #91 
  - I have no choice but to keep the faith and I will to the bitter end  Catherina   Jun-20-08 11:20 PM   #125 
  - Do you want him to be President?  AZBlue   Jun-20-08 10:41 PM   #96 
  - Anyone who has faith in a politician is a fool...  Solon   Jun-20-08 10:54 PM   #108 
  - Well put. Thanks n/t  Catherina   Jun-20-08 10:55 PM   #110 
     - I feel like I should put this in my sig line...  Solon   Jun-20-08 11:01 PM   #117 
        - I feel the same about your last sentence and I say it with great love  Catherina   Jun-20-08 11:05 PM   #121 
           - Exactly, I fear too many people are becoming complacent...  Solon   Jun-20-08 11:23 PM   #128 
  - Yes.  Catherina   Jun-20-08 10:54 PM   #109 
  - Faith is not something  Bluenorthwest   Jun-20-08 11:39 PM   #132 
  - Did he vote?  BklnDem75   Jun-20-08 11:09 PM   #123 
  - I am confused. I can't believe Obama will vote yes on this.  Maureen1322   Jun-20-08 10:58 PM   #112 
  - I don't get it either.  dailykoff   Jun-20-08 11:38 PM   #131 
  - Very good  charlie   Jun-20-08 10:58 PM   #113 
  - Well done!  goldcanyonaz   Jun-20-08 11:02 PM   #118 
  - Right on!  balantz   Jun-20-08 11:02 PM   #119 
  - Lotta love in this room tonight.....  cliffordu   Jun-20-08 11:13 PM   #124 
  - Well sometimes it's tough love but you know how us Black folks get  Catherina   Jun-20-08 11:31 PM   #129 
  - I can't really see why he would take this position.  dailykoff   Jun-20-08 11:32 PM   #130 
  - Good for you. I sent him another message asking him to find 41 votes in the Senate  Tatiana   Jun-20-08 11:44 PM   #133 
  - Right on!!!  rodeodance   Jun-21-08 12:35 AM   #136 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jun-21-08 01:06 AM   #137 
  - Thanks, Lirwin. You never disappoint.  jgraz   Jun-21-08 01:37 AM   #138 
  - Very similar to the e-mail I sent...  PassingFair   Jun-21-08 10:19 AM   #140 

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