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ConservativeDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-06-08 02:24 AM
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27. What a load of bull...
Yup. I'm from Oregon. And you're right about what I'm going to say.
Your article is complete, utter, bull.

Myth: "Ballots are mailed in secret and counted in secret on secret software"
Fact: Ballots go through the postal system, which is well monitored, counted
by election workers (it pays minimum wage) just like the ones that work
in your local precincts overseen by County Elections Clerks, and run on
fully audited (though proprietary - "illegal to copy") software. There
are also video cameras.

Myth: "Any unmarked contest on a ballot can be marked by someone other than
the voter when the ballots are opened for counting."
Fact: Ballots are received in sealed, signed, envelopes, that are checked for
tampering. Workers doing the opening of the ballots separate them from
their security envelopes. Those security envelopes are then opened by
a separate person who extracts the ballot. All of this is open to be
watched by the public -- and since there is only one elections office per
county - every single ballot is opened under bipartisan scrutiny.

Myth: "Voting can be done as a group at churches or union halls with people
looking over the voter's shoulder to make sure they vote 'the right way.'"
Fact: That is illegal under Oregon law, and no one would even dare try it, because
it would get the Church or Union in massive amounts of trouble.

Myth: "There is no way to be certain that the person who signed the envelope
is the person to whom the ballot was sent."
Fact: The signature on each ballot is compared against an electronic copy of
the voter's signature on file.

Myth: "Post office or contract mailing company illegally forwards ballots, more
than one ballot sent to voters, postal workers putting ballots in the trash."
Fact: The elections office knows exactly how many times any voter has voted. There
is no evidence of any small mishap ever changing an election (and in Oregon,
we have a lot of close elections).

Myth: "When election judges check in your ballot, they can see how you voted
when they match the inventory number on your ballot to the inventory
number next to your name on the voter rolls."
Fact: The secrecy envelope prevents this.


You also fail to understand how vote by mail defeats many real vote manipulation
schemes: caging, misrepresenting when election day is, inadequate voting booths in
high Democratic turnout areas, and other shenanigans. Voting booths drive hard working
blue collar workers away - because of the time it takes to vote.

Sorry guy, but fake fearmongering doesn't pass the smell test, when we see exactly how well it works in real life.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community
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