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SunsetDreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-24-08 08:37 PM
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33. 50/50 Just like the RNC...with no Popular vote awarded(with a long explanation)
Edited on Thu Apr-24-08 08:43 PM by SunsetDreams
Florida and Michigan broke the rules, the other 48 states did not.

They voted 115-1 in Florida to move their primary up, DNC warned them last summer if they did that, they would lose their delegates. ALL Candidates agreed to it! Hillary signed an agreement just like everyone else. She is even on video saying they won't count for anything. The blame first and foremost rests with those states parties. They chose to ignore the warning. 48 other states followed the rules, hence they will be punished by not being able to decide the outcome of the election. If they had stayed where they were, they would have been fine. It is Florida and Michigans fault period! Not their voters, but their Parties! They will be seated, Howard Dean has already said so, but they will be severely penalized to the point they don't effect the results. You don't reward states for bad behavior, otherwise it would cause chaos in future elections, if states could decide that they could do whatever they wanted to.

Hillary only decided to scream disenfranchisement, when she decided she was losing and would need those votes. Barack was not even on the ballot in Michigan. Both of these states have had voters publicly say that they knew the votes wouldn't count for anything because thier parties said so, and there were notifications up in the polling places. You cannot accurately judge a voters intention in that situation, because they know it won't count. Furthermore, there were many who stayed home, it is HIGHLY unfair to them to not be included. It is in the courts and has been turned down by appeal. Michigan has already went through the oourt system, where the judge said the vote was unconstitutional and would not be counted. Howard Dean has offered revotes in both states, and was turned down, due to money reasons, and more than likely selfishness. The people calling the shots in both states, support Hillary. They have an agenda, that is clear.

They will be counted this summer, but not in the way they existed in those "mock" vote totals. They were illegitimate period. They will be penalized, like it or not, to respect the integrity of the rules, that both states knew they were violating, but did it anyway.

Hillary will not win on this. The courts have already turned it down, and will continue to do so in Florida no matter what kind of lame excuse they come up with, such as their latest whining fit that the DNC is discriminating against white voters. That will get laughed out of court, because you cannot tell me that Florida is nothing but white voters, and frankly it is rather discriminatory of them to pretend otherwise. This is nothing but a game to them, and it will be denied. If FL doesn't have money for a recount for their voters, how do they have money for all these bogus lawsuits?

As for offering money for a recount, that is like buying votes from Hillarys' campaign. The attorneys involved said so, it doesn't fly. Their parties screwed up, it has nothing to do with the DNC period!
They also wanted to pay for a mail in vote, but BOTH Michigan and Florida decided it was not possible due to time contraints and how would it be measured for accuracy, who would over see it? It would take several elections to work out all the kinks and bugs.

As for Hillary, she is stirring things up just because she is losing. She agreed to it. Aug, Sept, Oct, Nov, Dec, Jan, and part of February, she never uttered a word. If she thought they were being disenfranchised she should have opened her mouth. If Sen. Obama has "won" those "mock" votes, she wouldn't have been arguing for them. If anyone thinks otherwise, they are sadly mistaken. Hillary only cares about political expediency period.

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