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114. I don't see how speaking in ND makes him THEE Heavy Hitter
Edited on Sun Mar-12-06 11:30 AM by globalvillage
But I can see this coming back to bite him

After a three-week campaign waged almost exclusively by U.S. and British troops, with no U.N. involvement, an article by Clark appeared in The Times of London calling it a great victory.

Clark wrote :

Can anything be more moving than the joyous throngs swarming the streets of Baghdad? Memories of the fall of the Berlin Wall, and the defeat of Milosevic in Belgrade flood back. Statues and images of Saddam are smashed and defiled.

Liberation is at hand. Liberation -the powerful balm that justifies painful sacrifice, erases lingering doubt and reinforces bold actions. Already the scent of victory is in the air.

. . . As for the political leaders themselves, President Bush and Tony Blair should be proud of their resolve in the face of so much doubt.

The article contained no hint that Clark opposed the "great victory" and no suggestion that he would have preferred U.N. diplomats handle the job instead. He did write a few days earlier that for an occupation of Iraq to succeed "we must gather legitimacy from institutions such as the United Nations and NATO." That article appeared in the Washington Times on March 23. Clark has posted that article on his campaign website, but not the gushing Times of London article.

September 19, Clark Starts Campaign:

Clark told several reporters he probably would have voted for the resolution.

From: The New York Times, September 19, 2003 :

At the time, I probably would have voted for it, but I think that's too simple a question.

A moment later, the Times quoted him adding:

I don't know if I would have or not. I've said it both ways because when you get into this, what happens is you have to put yourself in a position -- on balance, I probably would have voted for it.

That said, I like Gen Clark. Despite the London Times article, I could support a Kerry/Clark ticket. I think he was misled as were many Dems (including Kerry).

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  -General Wes Clark Emerging as THEE Heavy Dem Hitter..2006 Blaze Diem  Mar-10-06 11:34 PM   #0 
  - Clark Would Be a Strong Candidate  stepnw1f   Mar-10-06 11:37 PM   #1 
  - Clark and Warner sound really good to me.  Clarkansas   Mar-10-06 11:44 PM   #2 
  - Thanks for posting  Donna Zen   Mar-10-06 11:44 PM   #3 
  - True, but he is focusing on 2006  wiley   Mar-10-06 11:46 PM   #4 
  - Clark is one of my heroes. Hillary, though, is the better candidate---nt  SushiFan   Mar-10-06 11:51 PM   #5 
  - Why is Hillary a better candidate?  FrenchieCat   Mar-11-06 01:07 AM   #25 
  - She has best name recognition and polls best of all as of now---nt  SushiFan   Mar-11-06 08:28 PM   #105 
     - I don't really put too much weight in those polls right now.  madmunchie   Mar-21-06 06:24 PM   #118 
  - 2008 is all about flipping red states.  xkenx   Mar-11-06 01:08 PM   #83 
  - Clarks is a great person and I like him tremendously  moobu2   Mar-10-06 11:56 PM   #6 
  - Why do you find him "completely" unelectable.....?  FrenchieCat   Mar-11-06 12:49 AM   #18 
  - What elective office has Clark ever won?  Jersey Devil   Mar-10-06 11:57 PM   #7 
  - He's a quick study  serryjw   Mar-11-06 12:07 AM   #8 
  - I'm not selling anything short  Jersey Devil   Mar-11-06 12:15 AM   #10 
     - PS- and my opinion will finally mean something  Jersey Devil   Mar-11-06 12:26 AM   #13 
     - Personally, I am running out of candidates  serryjw   Mar-11-06 12:27 AM   #14 
        - Well, that is unfortunate  Jersey Devil   Mar-11-06 12:29 AM   #15 
           - I truly understand how you feel  serryjw   Mar-11-06 12:39 AM   #17 
              - You should harken to the wisdom of Mick Jagger  Jersey Devil   Mar-11-06 12:53 AM   #19 
                 - Nice try  serryjw   Mar-11-06 01:03 AM   #22 
                    - P1?  Jersey Devil   Mar-11-06 01:06 AM   #24 
                       - "By George she's got it"!!!!!  serryjw   Mar-11-06 01:32 AM   #30 
                       - How do you know how Clark would have voted on the Patriot Act?  Jersey Devil   Mar-11-06 12:09 PM   #77 
                          - I'm given him a pass  serryjw   Mar-11-06 03:12 PM   #88 
                       - Yep... the U.S. Patriot Act vote leaves me with ONLY one choice  Jeffersons Ghost   Mar-11-06 07:01 AM   #51 
                          - Sure have......  FrenchieCat   Mar-11-06 03:49 PM   #90 
  - This is NOT about who's running in 2008...thats another subject..  Blaze Diem   Mar-11-06 12:14 AM   #9 
  - Huh?  Jersey Devil   Mar-11-06 12:19 AM   #12 
  - There's been plenty of candidates who have won office, and  FrenchieCat   Mar-11-06 01:00 AM   #20 
  - Yes, but Clark has not only not won, he's never run for anything before  Jersey Devil   Mar-11-06 01:21 AM   #28 
     - I disagree with you and what you say in reference to Wes' skills  FrenchieCat   Mar-11-06 02:17 AM   #36 
     - Frenchie, to piggyback on your reply,  xkenx   Mar-11-06 01:15 PM   #84 
        - Well said..xkenx!! So well said..  Blaze Diem   Mar-11-06 01:22 PM   #85 
     - Also , as I recall, Clark was not eager to pull out of Iraq.  anitar1   Mar-11-06 03:00 AM   #43 
        - Clark didn't want "IN" in the first place....and said so....but  FrenchieCat   Mar-11-06 03:24 AM   #46 
           - thoughtful/logical post. n/t  lyonn   Mar-11-06 11:09 AM   #63 
  - what elective office has bush ever won. think about it. :)  roguevalley   Mar-11-06 02:25 AM   #38 
  - Clark on electability  bigdarryl   Mar-11-06 04:20 AM   #49 
  - How about governor of Arkansas?  Bleachers7   Mar-11-06 11:28 AM   #71 
     - How about Edwards for Attorney General of South Carolina?  wiley   Mar-21-06 07:58 PM   #120 
  - What elective office did Eisenhower ever win before he became President?  Jim Sagle   Mar-11-06 09:28 PM   #107 
  - Hopefully they'll air it on C-SPAN.  oasis   Mar-11-06 12:17 AM   #11 
  - C-SPAN airing would be great..I'd like to hear him speak.  Blaze Diem   Mar-11-06 12:36 AM   #16 
  - Clark talks about all of that, and  kster   Mar-11-06 01:00 AM   #21 
  - He's has talked about them......  FrenchieCat   Mar-11-06 01:05 AM   #23 
     - So long as they won't bring up  kster   Mar-11-06 01:09 AM   #26 
        - Clark speaks of the voting machines.....  FrenchieCat   Mar-11-06 01:27 AM   #29 
           - Thanks for that link. Bookmarking.  Clarkie1   Mar-11-06 01:52 AM   #32 
           - Clark is no heavy hitter, neither is  kster   Mar-11-06 01:57 AM   #33 
           - Will respond tommorrow got to go.....nt  kster   Mar-11-06 02:17 AM   #37 
  - Something to be said for running 'outsiders'  DLnyc   Mar-11-06 01:10 AM   #27 
  - I just watched Hotel Rwanda.  Clarkie1   Mar-11-06 01:37 AM   #31 
  - Well, you struck a nerve with me there. Rwanda was an issue that  file83   Mar-11-06 02:07 AM   #35 
  - I've seen that movie a couple of times....and I always end up bawling.....  FrenchieCat   Mar-11-06 02:26 AM   #39 
  - shit....triple post? Jeez, I hate when that happens! n/t  FrenchieCat   Mar-11-06 02:26 AM   #40 
  - editing 3rd of triple accidental posting!  FrenchieCat   Mar-11-06 02:26 AM   #41 
  - Concerning that triple post issue....  file83   Mar-11-06 08:08 AM   #53 
  - And on the lighter side, his wife is terrific  lyonn   Mar-11-06 11:26 AM   #68 
  - Shit!  AchtungToddler   Mar-11-06 11:43 AM   #73 
     - Yep..I look at the pic also and wonder "what could have been"  Blaze Diem   Mar-11-06 12:19 PM   #80 
  - INSTANT cred, world-wide  TOJ   Mar-11-06 10:50 AM   #61 
  - I just think that having a career Military Man as President at this point  file83   Mar-11-06 02:03 AM   #34 
  - And instead you've got the MBA man leading  FrenchieCat   Mar-11-06 02:34 AM   #42 
  - All valid points...  file83   Mar-11-06 08:03 AM   #52 
     - You are a Great Person file83  capi888   Mar-11-06 11:03 AM   #62 
  - I've heard him speak about the military  OnionPatch   Mar-11-06 08:51 AM   #54 
  - It was a general who first warned of "the military industrial complex."  Clarkie1   Mar-11-06 10:02 AM   #58 
  - The more I hear about Wes Clark, the more he shows his appeal  Muddy Waters Guitar   Mar-11-06 03:01 AM   #44 
  - Did you know that Clark's daughter-in-law is Columbian?  FrenchieCat   Mar-11-06 03:06 AM   #45 
     - Thanks for the fact-oid  Muddy Waters Guitar   Mar-11-06 04:00 AM   #47 
     - Well I think he learned Spanish in school from a young age....  FrenchieCat   Mar-11-06 04:04 AM   #48 
     - self-delete.  Clarkie1   Mar-11-06 10:00 AM   #57 
  - Clark is Completely Focused on 2006 - and asks that we focus on 2006  Justice   Mar-11-06 06:59 AM   #50 
  - Today Fargo -- Tomorrow the World  Aaaargh   Mar-11-06 09:11 AM   #55 
  - Speaking in ND equals...gasp...emerging heavy hitter?  Inspired   Mar-11-06 09:35 AM   #56 
  - Well a sincere pardon from me, BUT..  Blaze Diem   Mar-11-06 10:43 AM   #60 
  - ND hasn't gone Dem since 1964.  Bleachers7   Mar-11-06 11:27 AM   #69 
  - I wouldn't have gone out of my way to hear Carville..sorry, but  Blaze Diem   Mar-11-06 12:09 PM   #76 
  - ND is just as signifcant as SD...  Inspired   Mar-11-06 12:53 PM   #82 
  - I agree  Bleachers7   Mar-11-06 11:16 AM   #65 
     - Thank You..  Blaze Diem   Mar-11-06 12:17 PM   #79 
  - Wes fans check out my Clark quote on IRAQ WAR: What is it good for?  rosebud57   Mar-11-06 10:10 AM   #59 
  - Kewl!  FrenchieCat   Mar-11-06 03:50 PM   #91 
  - Polls don't show that.  Bleachers7   Mar-11-06 11:12 AM   #64 
  - It will be decided by Iowa, and NH same as last time.  Jim4Wes   Mar-11-06 11:20 AM   #66 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-11-06 11:23 AM   #67 
     - Thanks for coming to the rescue  Jim4Wes   Mar-11-06 11:28 AM   #70 
     - come on-why are you all debating at all  newspeak   Mar-11-06 11:42 AM   #72 
     - Anyone can run..but it won't amount to a hill'o beans if 2006 ..  Blaze Diem   Mar-11-06 11:44 AM   #74 
  - Polls in 2002 showed Lieberman taking the nomination with no trouble  DinoBoy   Mar-11-06 12:06 PM   #75 
  - He knows that  Jim4Wes   Mar-11-06 12:11 PM   #78 
  - You really ought to update your info  Jai4WKC08   Mar-11-06 02:15 PM   #87 
  - Why does Wes Clark oppose the pullout of American troops from Iraq?  Steve_DeShazer   Mar-11-06 12:52 PM   #81 
  - Murtha's omits much......  FrenchieCat   Mar-11-06 01:22 PM   #86 
  - It's not that Clark "advocates continuing the war"  Jai4WKC08   Mar-11-06 03:23 PM   #89 
  - Thanks for such a well-reasoned response  Steve_DeShazer   Mar-11-06 05:11 PM   #93 
     - Your appriciation is...  Jai4WKC08   Mar-11-06 06:43 PM   #98 
        - Eloquently said.  Steve_DeShazer   Mar-11-06 07:44 PM   #102 
  - Me Too - Heard Him on Schultz and...  otohara   Mar-11-06 06:59 PM   #101 
  - Talk about missing the point completely  Jim4Wes   Mar-11-06 07:50 PM   #103 
  - You're not cooperating with us!!!  otohara   Mar-11-06 08:21 PM   #104 
  - Gee, did you leave anything out?  Steve_DeShazer   Mar-11-06 09:37 PM   #108 
  - I like Gen. Clark, but this bothers me  Steve_DeShazer   Mar-11-06 08:59 PM   #106 
  - That's right, keep it simple.  Jim Sagle   Mar-11-06 09:55 PM   #109 
  - I really admire Wes Clark  MODemocrat   Mar-11-06 05:10 PM   #92 
  - Maybe.  LWolf   Mar-11-06 05:26 PM   #94 
  - I respect your priorities  Jai4WKC08   Mar-11-06 06:13 PM   #95 
  - Keep an open mind then  Jim4Wes   Mar-11-06 06:39 PM   #97 
  - Clark knows that we need to rebuild the base.  AX10   Mar-11-06 06:23 PM   #96 
  - Thanks for the postAX10..Gee you summed up all my rants..  Blaze Diem   Mar-11-06 10:49 PM   #110 
     - Actually, it is urgent that we win this mid-term election.  AX10   Mar-12-06 10:59 AM   #113 
  - Yeah But, He Doesn't Think We Should Pull Out of Mess-O-Potamia  otohara   Mar-11-06 06:48 PM   #99 
  - We can call it Mess-O-potamia....but Pandora's Box is what it truly is...  FrenchieCat   Mar-12-06 02:41 AM   #112 
  - Go Wes!  Benfea   Mar-11-06 06:55 PM   #100 
  - I Love Wesley Clark  ribofunk   Mar-11-06 11:40 PM   #111 
  - I don't see how speaking in ND makes him THEE Heavy Hitter  globalvillage   Mar-12-06 11:29 AM   #114 
  - well, whadaya know!  FrenchieCat   Mar-12-06 12:33 PM   #115 
  - Clark is the only electable candidate I see.  Theide   Mar-21-06 05:12 PM   #116 
     - Welcome to DU....and a very wonderful first Post!  FrenchieCat   Mar-21-06 05:38 PM   #117 
        - Yes I did  Theide   Mar-21-06 07:28 PM   #119 

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