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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-03-06 10:27 PM
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Proving election fraud is not a one man job.
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Edited on Tue Jan-03-06 10:34 PM by Vektor
I'd like to see the entire Democratic Party stand up for Kerry, and do their part to expose the fraud as well. We were ALL robbed when the Repukes stole the election (again) and subsequently, our democracy. Kerry has never failed to stand in defense of a fellow Democrat who has taken a hit. Just read his speeches in response to the Clinton impeachment proceedings, or the RW attacks on Murtha.

Kerry alone screaming "FRAUD!" especially with the proverbial "smoking gun" still yet to be found, would not have the effect that the whole Dem party standing in unity would.

As I told a friend recently, I knew the second the polls "reversed" on election night that we were being robbed. The following morning when Kerry conceded, I had no idea if he knew about the blatant thievery or not, but accepted his decision, mainly because I remembered how much of a pariah they made of Al Gore when he fought the "result" of the 2000 election, despite Gore's case being so very clear cut. They stopped the recount in FL when Bush and Gore got within 500 votes of each other, and the Supreme Court handed the boy chimp the presidency! How obvious can you get? Gore had every reason to refuse to accept that, but he was marginalized and called a sore loser just the same.

Fast forward four years, and now the Repukes have gotten a LOT more clever about how they steal elections. They pad the popular vote a little here and there in every state...they put more "paperless" voting machines in key swing states...they disenfranchise Dem voters in various locations, purge the voter rolls, deny provisional ballots...etc...

They stole the election, for sure, but they did it in so many ways and so many places, that the "smoking gun" that can successfully and irrefutably account for the 100,000 some-odd votes Bush "won with" in Ohio, and all the Kerry votes that mysteriously vanished, is an elusive prize indeed. Did they mess with a central tabulator somewhere? Was there tampering with individual machines? Did they disenfranchise enough Democrats to make "the difference?" Did they switch a tiny percentage of votes in multiple locations to add up to a "Bush win?"

You bet. And proving ALL that beyond a shadow of a doubt may be impossible, sadly. At best, it will take years.

I at least have to give Kerry the fact that there is no way he could have had that "smoking gun" gathered by the morning of Nov. 3rd which would have justified crying fraud. All those years spent as a prosecuting attorney have taught him all too well what stands up in a court of law, and what doesn't. So, he conceded, rather than draw any further negative attention to himself. He showed up at Bush's inauguration, and despite being booed by classless Bush supporters, he showed tremendous bravery, and did not falter. That took balls of steel.

My biggest source of bitterness about the stolen election is the fact that the ENTIRE DEMOCRATIC PARTY did not stand up and defend John. He himself screaming "ELECTION FRAUD!" would draw nothing but jeers from anyone listening. We saw it happen to another good man, Al Gore. Al was right when he said he was robbed, and still to this day, some call him a sore loser. Which is horse crap.

John Conyers has raised the subject of election fraud. He has been a true champion. Barbara Boxer was the ONE Senator who voted "NO" on certifying Bush. My hat goes off to these two patriots.

Unfortunately, that's not enough to drown out the noise machine. The whole entire party should have stood behind him, and demanded that the election result be questioned. Kerry was the one who put up a grueling campaign, weathered BRUTAL attacks on his character, patriotism, military service, and his FAMILY to get Bush out of office.

When he was robbed of the Presidency, very, very few stood up for him.

But still, he continues to stand up for others.

As an aside, I was recently part of a group of 12 DUers who had the pleasure of meeting the Senator last month, and talking with him at length regarding a number of matters. I don't wish to betray any confidences or run the risk of misquoting anyone, but I did bring up the subject of election fraud. (Did ya think I wouldn't?) :-)

Suffice it to say, it is surprising what we at DU see as common knowledge that our prominent politicians do not have a clue about. We told him about DU, about how many members we have here. We told him a little about what we talk about here, the good and the bad. (He wanted to know!) Suffice it to say, he was pretty surprised to learn that there was a community of 80,000+ strong that KNOW the election was stolen and would back him wholeheartedly if he came forward.

The following week, he did THREE radio interviews where he brought up election fraud and the issue of "hackability" in voting machines. (Ed Stephens, Bill Press, David Bender) Granted, until the MSM takes this seriously, it probably won't catch on, but Kerry is being vocal. More so now, after talking with some of his supporters.

I see where each and every one of you are coming from when you express outrage and frustration regarding the concession on Nov. 3rd. I understand your bitterness over our country being hijacked by criminals. I do have to say, that while I see things a little differently than some of you do on this matter, I respect the fact that many of you, like Khaotic did just today, expressed your feelings about the concession without resorting to name calling and insults toward Kerry. It is so much more effective to be respectful when opening up a line of dialog. Though I support Kerry, I appreciate those of you who have been civil in your criticism. Election fraud is a HUGE problem, and we all have a right to be upset. And we SHOULD talk about it. A lot.

I, too, am keeping my fingers crossed that he blows the lid off of this whole thing, and I pray the party as a whole stands behind him, because he is going to need all the help he can get.

Just my humble opinion. Flame away if ya need to... :-)

Edited to add a quotation mark.
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