Reply #103: Oh, I didn't know I had a time limit....

[CarolNYC]

Sorry I wasn't monitoring your posts closely but I was actually busy living my life.....

I am, however, so pleased that you bring up the Chris Heinz talk. I was so hoping you would. It is a perfect example of how you operate.

I, of course, don't have the exact quote of Clark's as there was no recording and no transcript and I didn't even take notes during the talk but, at a talk that Gen Clark gave to a gathering of activists at Chris Heinz' home a number of months ago, Gen Clark was speaking on how the Democrats need to speak of what we stand for rather than what we are against, you know, basic framing that everyone talks about, Lakoff and all that...It's nothing new and really nothing cmplicated.

After the talk, I wrote up my summary of it, which contained this passage:

"He talked again about Dems defending other Dems and how people won’t believe that Dems will be able to defend the country until they start defending each other. He said our principles are sound but that we need to articulate them in such a way that people can see that we are the ones who really want to do what’s good for the country….we’re not against gun ownership, we’re for what’s good for the country, we’re not against school vouchers, we’re for what’s good for the country. I guess part of it is articulating that we’re FOR something not just AGAINST something and what we want is what’s good for the country."

The full post is here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=1751402

Now, maybe I could have worded it better but, even as I worded it, I think only someone really really really dense or someone really intent on twisting Gen Clark's words could come away from that passage with the understanding that Clark was advocating for school vouchers. I wasn't the only one who thought this either.

Yet, you claimed up and down that Clark was saying here that he was for school vouchers. I don't know, maybe he claimed to be for school vouchers somewhere else, but it was obvious it was not what he was doing here.

Folks can see the conversation that ensued in these two threads...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=1760344#1760415

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=1760503

No one else interpreted my statement the way that you did but you would not be dissuaded. I don't know, at the time I thought, there is no way this guy is this dense. This must be a deliberate attempt at twisting Clark's words...Now, with you asking me to revisit the whole ridiculous argument, I'm not so sure. Maybe I gave you too much credit...but I'm still having a hard time believing anyone who regularly posts here to be that dense...

Now, you can take all the time in the world to answer or not answer this as you see fit....I won't be sitting here with bated breath waiting for your reply....

(Oh, I do admit baiting you a bit....I posted hoping you'd bring up the Heinz thing...I guess that wasn't really too nice. Sorry.)