| 204. He was unpolished, and that was the only thing that gave me pause |
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Edited on Fri Jan-21-05 05:42 PM by digno dave
about him running as our nominee. He was, however, no more unpolished than Body Bag was when he ran in 2000. Of course it helps if you have the $$$ of a major political party and the news media behind you. If he had entered earlier in the race he would have had more time to get the kinks out.
And friends of mine are personal friends of a lady who held a high position in the Clark campaign(she also rights for an online mag) so i know i little bit about how his campaign was run, warts and all.
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| -Heard from a friend in Washington DC that Clark WAS who they feared most. |
Quixote1818 |
Jan-19-05 04:01 PM |
#0 |
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DUH. |
tjdee |
Jan-19-05 04:03 PM |
#1 |
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perhaps threatened by Lie |
Lefta Dissenter |
Jan-19-05 04:13 PM |
#6 |
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Lieberman makes me scratch my head. |
AP |
Jan-19-05 06:26 PM |
#39 |
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uh, i was one until Clark! |
faithfulcitizen |
Jan-19-05 09:29 PM |
#73 |
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Double duh |
Clark2008 |
Jan-21-05 05:56 PM |
#206 |
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GOP-er insider said it on a public Teevee station in Boston |
robbedvoter |
Jan-19-05 04:04 PM |
#2 |
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Please fill me in on this one, Robbed |
Larry in KC |
Jan-20-05 02:23 PM |
#133 |
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I always knew they were afraid of Clark |
Leilani |
Jan-19-05 04:09 PM |
#3 |
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We were afraid of him too though |
Used and Abused |
Jan-20-05 03:35 AM |
#105 |
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Wes Clark NEVER was a registered republican! |
Ice4Clark |
Jan-20-05 05:07 AM |
#107 |
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Clark was definitely our BEST CANDIDATE and we blew it |
Veganistan |
Jan-20-05 03:38 PM |
#148 |
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"How quickly we forget?" |
Sparkly |
Jan-21-05 08:39 AM |
#184 |
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Only from my Republican brother-in-law |
Lefta Dissenter |
Jan-19-05 04:11 PM |
#4 |
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I don't know any Repub "insiders" but... |
Jai4WKC08 |
Jan-19-05 06:00 PM |
#32 |
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True! |
eek |
Jan-20-05 01:02 PM |
#129 |
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Well I understand that it was a |
FrenchieCat |
Jan-19-05 04:12 PM |
#5 |
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Uhh. |
cornermouse |
Jan-19-05 04:22 PM |
#17 |
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perhaps so |
WI_DEM |
Jan-19-05 04:15 PM |
#7 |
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Dean/Clark, Clark/Dean...brings back memories |
BeyondGeography |
Jan-19-05 04:18 PM |
#10 |
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I can see why they would be nervous about Dean |
Tom Rinaldo |
Jan-19-05 04:39 PM |
#19 |
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Yeah, Well... Clark Didn't Have A Competent Campaign Staff |
cryingshame |
Jan-19-05 04:15 PM |
#8 |
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The media really went after Clark early. |
dmordue |
Jan-19-05 04:17 PM |
#9 |
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my only complaint about Clark during the election was.... |
GloriaSmith |
Jan-19-05 04:20 PM |
#16 |
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Yes, he asked for his wifes permission to run and it took her a long time |
Quixote1818 |
Jan-19-05 04:30 PM |
#18 |
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I didn't know that. How sweet! |
GloriaSmith |
Jan-19-05 04:41 PM |
#20 |
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FOX News put their foot on his throat and never let up |
digno dave |
Jan-20-05 11:25 AM |
#123 |
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So what does Clark do now? |
GloriaSmith |
Jan-19-05 04:18 PM |
#11 |
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Clark says he "rules nothing out" when asked about a 2008 run |
Tom Rinaldo |
Jan-19-05 04:44 PM |
#22 |
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thanks for the sites! n/t |
GloriaSmith |
Jan-19-05 04:56 PM |
#25 |
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Here's a site with clips of his most recent appearances |
RandomUser |
Jan-20-05 09:08 AM |
#113 |
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Well, he campaigned all over the country for Kerry/Edwards |
Leilani |
Jan-19-05 04:48 PM |
#23 |
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I knew he campaigned for Kerry.... |
GloriaSmith |
Jan-19-05 04:55 PM |
#24 |
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He's Very Active With His PAC |
corbett |
Jan-19-05 05:00 PM |
#27 |
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The Democrats were given a peasant.......... |
ArkDem |
Jan-19-05 04:18 PM |
#12 |
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and chose |
FrenchieCat |
Jan-19-05 05:57 PM |
#31 |
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lol |
ArkDem |
Jan-20-05 08:45 AM |
#112 |
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Why does this surprise anyone? |
Tom Rinaldo |
Jan-19-05 04:20 PM |
#13 |
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Clark would have taken every Gore 2000 state plue the Carolina's... |
PROGRESSIVE1 |
Jan-19-05 10:57 PM |
#80 |
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The dog would have caught the rabbit if it hadn't stopped to pee. |
ArkDem |
Jan-21-05 08:33 AM |
#183 |
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My beloved yet Republican father the same story |
southlandshari |
Jan-20-05 07:57 AM |
#109 |
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Keep those Dems in the circular firing squad |
sandnsea |
Jan-19-05 04:20 PM |
#14 |
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Exactly. |
Old and In the Way |
Jan-19-05 04:42 PM |
#21 |
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You risk major backlash when you try to smear a man like Wes Clark. |
Skwmom |
Jan-19-05 08:57 PM |
#69 |
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Dems keep deluding themselves |
sandnsea |
Jan-19-05 11:43 PM |
#87 |
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What WWIII "situation"?....Oh, you mean that |
FrenchieCat |
Jan-20-05 02:21 AM |
#102 |
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See you don't get it |
sandnsea |
Jan-20-05 11:46 AM |
#127 |
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It would really depend on what the General and his |
FrenchieCat |
Jan-20-05 01:08 PM |
#130 |
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Actually, you prove my point |
sandnsea |
Jan-20-05 02:39 PM |
#135 |
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My goodness..... |
FrenchieCat |
Jan-20-05 03:51 PM |
#149 |
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Yes of course |
sandnsea |
Jan-20-05 04:27 PM |
#153 |
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Touchy....but for no good reason.... |
FrenchieCat |
Jan-20-05 05:10 PM |
#157 |
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Hmmmm |
sandnsea |
Jan-21-05 02:01 AM |
#182 |
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given this argument, sandnsea, we can't run anyone ever and win. |
roguevalley |
Jan-20-05 03:11 PM |
#141 |
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The opposite |
sandnsea |
Jan-20-05 04:10 PM |
#152 |
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If Kerry had rebutted stuff instead of sitting on it because a committee |
roguevalley |
Jan-20-05 03:09 PM |
#139 |
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Yes certain Dems do "keep deluding themselves." |
Skwmom |
Jan-21-05 12:18 AM |
#180 |
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Doesn't surprise me... |
truebrit71 |
Jan-19-05 04:20 PM |
#15 |
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I believe it |
bliss_eternal |
Jan-19-05 04:58 PM |
#26 |
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Clark voted for Reagan, Michael Moore endorsed him |
lookinforward |
Jan-19-05 05:01 PM |
#28 |
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Sorry, but the attacks against Clark would not have stuck during the GE... |
FrenchieCat |
Jan-19-05 06:22 PM |
#37 |
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thanks for the great response |
lookinforward |
Jan-20-05 12:20 AM |
#90 |
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You are welcome.... |
FrenchieCat |
Jan-20-05 02:26 AM |
#103 |
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I always thought Clark would have been a strong nominee |
BlueInRed |
Jan-19-05 05:02 PM |
#29 |
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I believe that. And I believe Kerry was about tied with him. |
The Gigmeister |
Jan-19-05 05:33 PM |
#30 |
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If he is still interested he can run in 2008. His support will still be |
w4rma |
Jan-19-05 06:03 PM |
#33 |
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I suspect that was before he actually got into the race |
dolstein |
Jan-19-05 06:07 PM |
#34 |
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I have a friend who is related to a guy who works for Karl Rove |
Cheswick2.0 |
Jan-19-05 06:11 PM |
#35 |
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That's Rove at his best....it's called DISINFORMATION |
Clarkie1 |
Jan-19-05 06:25 PM |
#38 |
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despite the limited report on Rove's comment on Dean before Iowa.. |
lookinforward |
Jan-20-05 12:42 AM |
#94 |
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Perception in politics is everthing n/t |
Clarkie1 |
Jan-20-05 12:44 AM |
#95 |
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That's a load of bull |
dolstein |
Jan-19-05 06:28 PM |
#40 |
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No it's not n/t |
Cheswick2.0 |
Jan-20-05 05:22 PM |
#161 |
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And my step-cousin's aunt former neighbor-in-law told ME |
Clark2008 |
Jan-21-05 06:07 PM |
#207 |
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That's about the way I see it too. |
AP |
Jan-19-05 06:20 PM |
#36 |
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Come on AP....now, |
FrenchieCat |
Jan-19-05 06:29 PM |
#41 |
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oops...self delete |
FrenchieCat |
Jan-19-05 06:29 PM |
#42 |
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The examples are in that Frame the Debate post... |
AP |
Jan-19-05 06:39 PM |
#45 |
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I've read Lakoff, and you've got a strange interpretation of it |
Sparkly |
Jan-19-05 06:48 PM |
#49 |
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Almost a direct quote from that book |
AP |
Jan-19-05 07:02 PM |
#52 |
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Huge leap of logic there |
Sparkly |
Jan-19-05 07:19 PM |
#55 |
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It's definitely a debatable point. |
AP |
Jan-19-05 07:25 PM |
#56 |
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I wouldn't say "Nasty Shit" to you......AP..... |
FrenchieCat |
Jan-19-05 06:55 PM |
#51 |
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That we are at war is a cognitive framework that benefits Republicans... |
AP |
Jan-19-05 07:12 PM |
#54 |
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I understand....but.... |
FrenchieCat |
Jan-19-05 07:30 PM |
#59 |
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You are applying the same decades-old stereotypes the GOP uses |
Sparkly |
Jan-19-05 07:32 PM |
#60 |
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What I'm arguing is that Democrats win when voters believe |
AP |
Jan-19-05 09:10 PM |
#71 |
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Which takes nothing away from the General |
Sparkly |
Jan-19-05 09:40 PM |
#74 |
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This debate is certainly contained entirely within the left half of... |
AP |
Jan-19-05 11:30 PM |
#85 |
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Lakoff, p. 35: |
AP |
Jan-19-05 11:48 PM |
#89 |
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Yeah, and? |
Sparkly |
Jan-20-05 11:23 AM |
#122 |
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Disagree with your Lakoff conclusions |
MontecitoDem |
Jan-20-05 05:38 PM |
#164 |
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Where does he say that? |
AP |
Jan-20-05 10:46 PM |
#177 |
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You're right, I should have been more exact! |
MontecitoDem |
Jan-20-05 11:44 PM |
#179 |
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p. 21 of Moral Politics is about John Rawls and theoretical liberalism |
AP |
Jan-21-05 09:24 AM |
#187 |
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I'm quoting Lakoff from pg 21 of "Don't Think Like an Elephant" |
MontecitoDem |
Jan-21-05 04:40 PM |
#199 |
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It's still not clear to me... |
AP |
Jan-21-05 05:52 PM |
#205 |
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Maybe this is what you're thinking of: |
AP |
Jan-21-05 10:28 AM |
#188 |
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Hi AP. Here's another stab at this with you, |
MontecitoDem |
Jan-21-05 04:52 PM |
#200 |
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I think Frenchie is one of the best spokespeople for Clark. |
AP |
Jan-21-05 05:29 PM |
#203 |
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true |
PROGRESSIVE1 |
Jan-21-05 05:01 PM |
#202 |
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first question: How did you become an expert on Clark's parenting style? |
Clarkie1 |
Jan-19-05 06:36 PM |
#44 |
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See the last two sentences of post 45. |
AP |
Jan-19-05 06:40 PM |
#46 |
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I see you know nothing about Clark's position on liberal issues |
Clarkie1 |
Jan-19-05 06:44 PM |
#47 |
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I agree. Clark is more liberal than Dean. |
AP |
Jan-19-05 06:52 PM |
#50 |
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What Clark REALLY said was... |
Texas_Kat |
Jan-19-05 08:06 PM |
#65 |
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I think that's almost exactly the point I was trying to make. |
AP |
Jan-19-05 09:12 PM |
#72 |
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Your response sort of illustrates the problem with your argument.. |
Texas_Kat |
Jan-20-05 12:55 AM |
#97 |
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Hmm. |
AP |
Jan-20-05 07:53 AM |
#108 |
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Actually, I see both perspectives... |
Texas_Kat |
Jan-20-05 11:18 AM |
#120 |
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"You don't see the bigger picture." |
AP |
Jan-20-05 11:41 AM |
#126 |
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Interesting discussion, but a few points |
Jai4WKC08 |
Jan-20-05 12:30 PM |
#128 |
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I'm inclined to disagree |
BlueInRed |
Jan-19-05 06:45 PM |
#48 |
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You may be right n/t |
Clarkie1 |
Jan-19-05 07:04 PM |
#53 |
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I think you overestimate your ability to choose |
RafterMan |
Jan-19-05 11:07 PM |
#81 |
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Have you read Moral Politics? |
AP |
Jan-19-05 11:32 PM |
#86 |
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"Democratic cognitive framework " ? |
sybil |
Jan-20-05 11:22 AM |
#121 |
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gee YA THINK??????????? |
Skittles |
Jan-19-05 06:31 PM |
#43 |
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I did and do agree totally. Too bad he missed Iowa... |
Laura PackYourBags |
Jan-19-05 07:26 PM |
#57 |
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Something strange: |
Donna Zen |
Jan-19-05 07:30 PM |
#58 |
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Yes.....the Rethug's worst nightmare is right..... |
FrenchieCat |
Jan-19-05 07:50 PM |
#63 |
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kick |
PROGRESSIVE1 |
Jan-19-05 11:17 PM |
#83 |
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Clark appealed across the spectrum. Even people with their |
roguevalley |
Jan-20-05 03:22 PM |
#144 |
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I'm excited about Clark. If he decides to run in '08, I'll gladly |
deadparrot |
Jan-19-05 07:48 PM |
#61 |
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So will I! |
PROGRESSIVE1 |
Jan-21-05 04:56 PM |
#201 |
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I didn't support Clark....but I think what your friend said was true... |
KoKo01 |
Jan-19-05 07:49 PM |
#62 |
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If that was the case, they wouldn't have worked overtime |
Skwmom |
Jan-19-05 09:00 PM |
#70 |
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Anyone who claims that they feared Lieberman |
dansolo |
Jan-19-05 08:05 PM |
#64 |
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They feared Lieberman because he was strong on National Defense |
Quixote1818 |
Jan-20-05 01:47 AM |
#99 |
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Lieberman would have been an embarrassment |
dansolo |
Jan-20-05 03:10 PM |
#140 |
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If security Mom's feel protected by a cheerleader then yes, |
Quixote1818 |
Jan-20-05 05:13 PM |
#158 |
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Note: This bill was introduced by a republican |
Donna Zen |
Jan-19-05 08:08 PM |
#66 |
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Clark would have won, I have no doubt. |
MrSlayer |
Jan-19-05 08:20 PM |
#67 |
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Clark is a gifted intellect and a speaker to the common man. |
PROGRESSIVE1 |
Jan-19-05 11:13 PM |
#82 |
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Wasn't Dean the only one the Repubs ran an ad against |
NYCGirl |
Jan-19-05 08:55 PM |
#68 |
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And didn't those ads work? n/t |
JPJones |
Jan-19-05 10:15 PM |
#76 |
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Not by themselves. But they helped. |
NYCGirl |
Jan-19-05 10:41 PM |
#77 |
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I figured as much when both O'Reilly and Hannity |
JPJones |
Jan-19-05 10:12 PM |
#75 |
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Funny, this was my first time ever being involved in politics |
AchtungToddler |
Jan-19-05 10:47 PM |
#78 |
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Yes.... |
FrenchieCat |
Jan-20-05 01:51 PM |
#131 |
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Same here! |
Quixote1818 |
Jan-21-05 10:44 AM |
#189 |
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LOOK AT MY AVATAR!!! I knew this all along!!! |
PROGRESSIVE1 |
Jan-19-05 10:49 PM |
#79 |
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Nah! Dean was the one they feared. That's why they got rid of him via |
leesa |
Jan-19-05 11:18 PM |
#84 |
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WTF? |
fujiyama |
Jan-19-05 11:46 PM |
#88 |
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Really? What gives you that idea? |
MrSlayer |
Jan-20-05 12:35 AM |
#93 |
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What baloney, leesa |
ClarkUSA |
Jan-20-05 01:26 AM |
#98 |
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Richard Perle disagrees with ya. After Clark's congress testimony |
robbedvoter |
Jan-20-05 08:05 AM |
#110 |
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clark is going to give kerry a run for his money in the primaries...... |
Califooyah Operative |
Jan-20-05 12:27 AM |
#91 |
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Clark |
progressiveright |
Jan-20-05 12:32 AM |
#92 |
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Yes he was green but Kerry made the same kind of mistakes later on |
Quixote1818 |
Jan-20-05 01:57 AM |
#100 |
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i think kerry was getting too old |
progressiveright |
Jan-20-05 02:07 AM |
#101 |
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What do you mean? |
Jai4WKC08 |
Jan-20-05 10:16 AM |
#114 |
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i don't remember the exact story |
progressiveright |
Jan-21-05 12:52 AM |
#181 |
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Yep, that was it |
Jai4WKC08 |
Jan-21-05 12:06 PM |
#194 |
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Clark 2008 n/t |
Dr Fate |
Jan-20-05 12:48 AM |
#96 |
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Feared Lieberman? |
Used and Abused |
Jan-20-05 03:34 AM |
#104 |
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Lieberman was actually a good general election candidate. |
Quixote1818 |
Jan-20-05 10:25 AM |
#116 |
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Because Dean spoke out against the war but wasn't military, he was dissed. |
Carolab |
Jan-20-05 03:51 AM |
#106 |
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Dean going skiing during Nam would have killed him |
Quixote1818 |
Jan-20-05 10:31 AM |
#117 |
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Iraq War was the most immoral war since Vietname, Repukes feared |
Larkspur |
Jan-20-05 08:26 AM |
#111 |
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That's an ironic statement |
Jai4WKC08 |
Jan-20-05 10:31 AM |
#118 |
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Many crossovers |
48percenter |
Jan-20-05 10:21 AM |
#115 |
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I would have liked a Clark/Kerry ticket |
ThorsHammer |
Jan-20-05 10:33 AM |
#119 |
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Indeed, the Kerry Cheney debate would have been worth it alone |
NewYorkerfromMass |
Jan-20-05 11:31 AM |
#125 |
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Dems in New Hampshire were fools not to vote for him |
digno dave |
Jan-20-05 11:28 AM |
#124 |
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Yeah, and PIGS CAN FLY, too |
jswordy |
Jan-20-05 02:17 PM |
#132 |
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old, refuted news |
digno dave |
Jan-20-05 02:37 PM |
#134 |
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Right...foil hats, just believe what you want to believe, it's cool. |
jswordy |
Jan-20-05 02:42 PM |
#136 |
| -
How can you endorse a man who said... |
jswordy |
Jan-20-05 02:46 PM |
#137 |
| -
When will Wesley Clark stop telling tall tales? |
jswordy |
Jan-20-05 03:04 PM |
#138 |
| -
Good grief. ANd I suppose we can believe anything Rove says |
roguevalley |
Jan-20-05 03:31 PM |
#146 |
| -
Child, calm down..... |
FrenchieCat |
Jan-20-05 05:02 PM |
#154 |
| -
Maybe some of these people don't know the difference.. |
Texas_Kat |
Jan-20-05 05:19 PM |
#160 |
| -
I heard it was Lieberman |
killbotfactory |
Jan-20-05 03:13 PM |
#142 |
| -
LOL! |
Sopianae |
Jan-20-05 03:16 PM |
#143 |
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No according to Wes Clark, as told... |
jswordy |
Jan-20-05 03:28 PM |
#145 |
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No need to identify yourself as a Dean Supporter |
Leilani |
Jan-20-05 03:36 PM |
#147 |
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Some of these aren't even new |
WesDem |
Jan-20-05 03:57 PM |
#150 |
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Yeah, adorable, WesDem |
Leilani |
Jan-20-05 04:00 PM |
#151 |
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Ah, in your own words.....thanks. |
madfloridian |
Jan-20-05 05:06 PM |
#156 |
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My words, you are welcome |
WesDem |
Jan-20-05 05:13 PM |
#159 |
| -
My goodness!!!! |
FrenchieCat |
Jan-20-05 05:06 PM |
#155 |
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Links, Frenchie? |
Leilani |
Jan-20-05 05:23 PM |
#162 |
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And how easy it would be |
WesDem |
Jan-20-05 05:50 PM |
#165 |
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Naw..... |
FrenchieCat |
Jan-20-05 05:57 PM |
#167 |
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Well, that, yeah |
WesDem |
Jan-20-05 06:01 PM |
#169 |
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He was unpolished, and that was the only thing that gave me pause |
digno dave |
Jan-21-05 05:38 PM |
#204 |
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I have a great aunt Ethel who is friends with Arlen Spectors |
Cheswick2.0 |
Jan-20-05 05:25 PM |
#163 |
| -
You mean Auntie Ethel? |
FrenchieCat |
Jan-20-05 05:56 PM |
#166 |
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nah...she told me she always goofs on you |
Cheswick2.0 |
Jan-20-05 06:01 PM |
#168 |
| -
Well, I 'm just going to have to call her on this..... |
FrenchieCat |
Jan-20-05 06:14 PM |
#171 |
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Frenchie, No! |
Leilani |
Jan-20-05 06:02 PM |
#170 |
| -
It's ok Leilani, |
FrenchieCat |
Jan-20-05 06:17 PM |
#172 |
| -
Wow! What a small world this is! |
Larkspur |
Jan-21-05 01:34 PM |
#197 |
| -
I agree! |
0007 |
Jan-20-05 06:19 PM |
#173 |
| -
Not Really Buying This Much.... |
ChiciB1 |
Jan-20-05 06:29 PM |
#174 |
| -
But Clinton didn't endorse Clark.... |
FrenchieCat |
Jan-20-05 07:33 PM |
#175 |
| -
"Use your imagination" |
Sparkly |
Jan-21-05 08:40 AM |
#185 |
| -
Makes sense to me |
lancdem |
Jan-20-05 07:49 PM |
#176 |
| -
I agree! n/t |
sabra |
Jan-21-05 08:47 AM |
#186 |
| -
Especially since Iowa is the first state because he does really well |
Quixote1818 |
Jan-21-05 10:57 AM |
#191 |
| -
Also, Arkansas is working toward moving their primary to early February |
Sparkly |
Jan-21-05 11:00 AM |
#192 |
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Kerry/Clark ticket and we'd celebrating now..... |
fryguy |
Jan-20-05 10:48 PM |
#178 |
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Yes, even putting Clark as VP would have made a difference. |
Quixote1818 |
Jan-21-05 10:49 AM |
#190 |
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Yep, I've been thinking the same thing. |
Az_lefty |
Jan-21-05 11:09 AM |
#193 |
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My Uncle Herby's right testicle always aches when |
Cheswick2.0 |
Jan-21-05 12:16 PM |
#195 |
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Now THAT means something! |
janx |
Jan-21-05 12:24 PM |
#196 |
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I think it does |
Cheswick2.0 |
Jan-21-05 02:44 PM |
#198 |
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