Reply #9: with no IRV, Greens haven't a chance on national scale.

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Clinton wouldn't have won without Perot, and besides he was so middle and betrayed us on NAFTA and abandoning healthcare; the 'back to the center' party has lost congress for a decade, accomplished barely anything other than continously losing while standing for very little, tossing the base breadcrumbs, and letting the media and the Rethugs frame all debate.

i want a strong leftwing party to rival the level of extreme rightwingness the Rethugs have been going for for a decade.

and THAT'S the only way we'll really win, as has been demonstrated time and time again.