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Delayed outrage, let's talk about MI and FL
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The Delayed Outrage For Florida and Michigan, and Hillaryis44(Update)

by Setrak
Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 05:36:31 AM PDT

The title makes my view on this pretty known. I am sick and I am tired of the Clinton campaign encouraging this ridiculous line of thinking, a line of thinking that urges people to selectively forget some things while remembering others. For instance, the Clinton campaign asks us to remember Florida and Michigan. The Clinton campaign asks us to remember their importance and how they "voted." The Clinton campaign also asks us to forget that Ickes fought to create this mess. The Clinton campaign also asks us to forget that Clinton herself signed a pledge that acknowledges the out-of-turn attempts of Florida and Michigan to shove their primaries forward. The Clinton campaign asks us to forget their previous silence, while Hillaryis44 asks their Freeper-lite users to spread the propaganda. You know, that we're a bunch of vote-suppressing brownshirts if we support Obama. Larry Coulter Johnson, Susan Huannity, Marsh Limbaugh, and their ditto heads.

Indeed, Clinton's only chances are to somehow make Florida and Michigan(where Obama/Edwards/Richardson/Biden weren't even on the ballot) count. Things are so bad in Hillaryland that to have any chance, they need the 50-or-so delegate bonus from Michigan. In Florida, they had a primary based entirely on name recognition. Many Clinton supporters continually remind us of how many people voted in the primary- as though each and every one of them came out to vote for the candidates, and not for special measures on the ballots.

Let's forget about that, though. What I want people to remember is the silence that came from the Clinton campaign for so long. In September, in November, in December. In early January, before IA/NH/NV/SC voted. These were the states that were allowed to vote before February 5th, the ones that have always had this right(with exception to NV, which is new this year to the special position). There was complete and utter silence until after Nevada voted. By this time, South Carolina was a lost cause. When results poured in from Michigan, it seemed like gold- a chance to get more delegates without any going to another candidate.

So, we ended up with this delayed outrage. We ended up with Clinton supporters running around blogging about how big bad Obama is the one disenfranchising the voters of Florida and Michigan. We ended up with Clinton supporters expressing their own delayed outrage, screaming and harking about how un-American it is. Crying about how those states must spend another few million conducting another state primary, saying this person or hat person should, acting like the voters of Michigan and Florida not only care but want to actually go out and vote again. Besides for Wright, they don't really have any talking points left. Indeed, Rezko was a favorite, but they got sick of hanging on so desperately to that dried-up vine. Wright too has proven fairly dried-up after only producing a few bad sound bytes after decades of work.

Florida and Michigan, however, still make for a decent talking point. They can continue to perpetuate that Obama is a sneak, a typical politician, an ambitious evil-whatever that only wins when his "thugs" take over caucus cites. Indeed, the Hillaryis44 crowd have infiltrated many liberal blogs. When I spoke previously of their being cancerous tumors in some sites, such as MyDD, I'm speaking about that group. The Hillaryis44 crowd, lead by some guy who used to work for Perot. The No Quarter crowd. The Taylor Marsh Limbaugh groupies. Pro-Clinton websites who focuses on being pro-actively anti-Obama, anti-Pelosi, anti-Brazile, anti-Kerry, anti-Kennedy, anti-Dean, anti-anyone-who-doesn't-take-Hillary's-cause. It's depressing, but it could be worse- imagine how depressing it must be to be amongst those Rezko Watchers. They have GOT to be disappointed.

Worst of all, though, is what Hillaryis44 represents- the acceptance of tactics that we should be above. The use of right-wing news sources by Clinton supporters are more likely than not being perpetuated by users of Hillaryis44. The ones that'll call us Obama supporters "brownshirts?" Hillaryis44 people. The ones that e-mail news outlets to protest something or beg for running a story- usually Hillaryis44 people, if you ever bother to read those horrendous comment sections. Don't be fooled by all the pink, Hillaryis44 represents the Free Republican of the Democratic Party. Unfortunately, I'm not clever enough to give a nickname to the Democratic-version of the Freeper.

With exception to some morbid hopes for Rezko and Wright, the Democratic Freepers seem to be out of everything except Florida and Michigan, and they are making their delayed outrage heard where ever they can. Bu the way, they really hate it when you tell them that it's delayed outrage. Indeed, this snippet from the Hillaryis44 blog sums up their message;

Obama’s worries are such that the only scenario he has for a "victory" is to disenfranchise millions of voters in Florida and Michigan. Any nomination that does not fully respect the voters and the votes of Florida and Michigan will not be legitimate.

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Hillary: Michigan "won't count for anything"

by JLFinch
Sun Apr 06, 2008 at 07:23:57 AM PDT

Make sure you bookmark this and send the link to any Clinton supporter who starts shedding those crocodile tears about disenfranchising voters in Michigan:

(Video)

Here is what Hillary said about the contest in Michigan on that youtube clip above:

"I personally did not think it made any difference whether my name was on the ballot. You know, It's clear this election they are having is not going to count for anything."

They're just words!

Words don't matter to Hillary - especially not her own word. Hillary is not to be trusted to keep her own word.

How much longer are Hillary and her supporters going to be allowed to spew this "disenfranchisement" crap?

This goes right along with Hillary's plan to sabotage Obama in the general (by souring Dems in Florida and Michigan) so that McCain wins, and Hillary can take another strike at him in 2012. I would certainly hope that she would be drummed out of the Democratic party well before then. She can run with Lieberman on the Asshole Party ticket.


Now, let's look at the scenarios with MI (Obama gets MI 55 uncommitted delegates) and FL included:
  • The delegates needed to win the nomination would be 2,208.

  • Obama gets a total of 122 delegates, Hillary gets a total of 178 delegates

  • Current delegates totals for Obama 1,629 and for Hillary 1,486 (CNN numbers)

  • Total delegates including MI and FL Obama 1,751 (+122) Hillary 1,664 (+178)
Reality check:

Based on the above scenario, Hillary would have to win the ten remaining contest by the following margins
  • PA and WV by 20 pts.
  • KY and PR by 30 pts.
  • IN, OR, SD, NC and MT by 10 pts.
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