If we lose to McCain, it will be thanks to Obama's supporters

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and now that I got your attention, maybe, I will explain why.

And please note, I did not say Obama, I said his supporters.

Like many every time that I come to GD-P I scan the subject lines and leave in disgust. On occasions, there are a few that actually discuss something of substance but in most case they are attacking Hillary and Bill.

Yes, many attack Obama, but they are most often about his electebality, his experience, his moving from transcending race to highlighting the racial divide. Yes, even comments made by Michelle that can raise anxiety about many voters.

The ones attacking Bill and Hillary Clinton are vicious, blaming them behind everything that the Obama supporters do not like, without proof, only innuendos.

So both sides are getting polarized but, it appears, there are more Clinton supporters, mostly women who say that if Obama is the nominee, they will not vote for him.

I don't think that they have anything against Obama. What is there to be against? The man is personable, charismatic, eloquent.. No, it is about the Obama's supporters who find hidden meanings in everything that Bill or Hillary say, from Obama's talk about his objection to the war - NOT HIS CANDIDACY - being "fairy tale," to Hillary pointing out that it took an executive act by LBJ to pass the Civil Rights Act, to Bill's recent comment that both McCain and Hillary are patriotic - NOT THAT OBAMA IS NOT.

I have stopped watching anything on MSNBC, especially Olbermann. But every time when I see a flood of posts here praising him, I don't need to open the thread to know the source of such cheering. Trashing Hillary whether justified or not, and keeping the halo around Obama's head.

Here on DU we have posts trashing Hillary's clothes, hairstyle, makeup, whether she had Botox treatment - these are vicious comments that men have been using on professional women since they were "allowed" to join the workforce as equals (almost). Instead of commenting on the women's competency, there were comments about their appearance, which make the men co-worker feel oh so superior. Thus, such attacks on Hillary touch many women at a very visceral level. They take them personally. So personally that they say that if she is not the nominee they will not vote for Obama. And if enough women (and men) will feel that way, and if many Independents and Republicans who voted for Obama in the primaries and caucuses will not stick with him in November, we will lose.

I have said here before that Obama will be our nominee and, until recently, that he will be the next president. Now I am not sure now, because of the ugly personal attacks on Hillary.

One note about Bill's recent comments that I just read:

The former president told a group of veterans Friday in Charlotte, North Carolina: "I think it would be a great thing if we had an election year where you had two people who loved this country and were devoted to the interest of this country. And people could actually ask themselves who is right on these issues, instead of all this other stuff that always seems to intrude itself on our politics."

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What is there to dislike? He clearly presents a scene where Hillary and McCain are the two nominees and he was not going to trash McCain. At least not at this point. Again, I have said on these pages before that if national security is the only issue - McCain wins hands down. But as we have seen with Kerry in 2004, a military heroism is not enough and we need to convince the voters that there is more to being a President.

I don't pretend to get into Bill's mind, but my interpretation of "all that other stuff" is what we have seen before: abortion and gay marriage and Jesus stuff.

OK, start flaming.