Reply #6: right

[griffi94]

and obama is the independent young turk........get real......obama is as much a creation of the "machine" as hillary....any candidate that makes it this far is.....in 2004 howard dean was truly the candidate that wasn't part of the machine.....he went down in flames after the first caucus......after obama wins and the new pres has a D by his name....we'll all congradulate our selves on sweeping in the agents of change....we'll witness obamas honeymoon phase with the american people....then we'll start noticing that the things we thought we were getting.....well we aren't.....no healthcare plan...because obama can't get the one he wants thru congress.......the war will roll on because regardless of what was promised we can't just pack up and leave............imo the reason that american elections have such low turnout....and americans are so uninformed about their government is because it's set up to never change very much and to never change very fast....the bush years have been been the most radical that i've ever seen....but i don't think we'll see that again at least for 50 or so years....the bushies made major changes by blatantly ignoring the law....figuring rightly that by the time enough people noticed and became concerned they'd be long gone.....don't expect obama to be any different than bill clinton was...he'll be as divisive as the clintons....with old guard democrats dragging him for jumping the line....conservative dems not supporting his agenda because their constituencies see him as too liberal....and finally real liberals becoming disenchanted because he'll govern as a moderate.