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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-25-10 07:46 AM
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98. Thanks--
I see what you did there, and it is a pretty decent alignment, given what you have to work with. I'm sure it is good enough to convince the OCTists.

But it is still not quite right, for a number of reasons. I'm not sure if you just eyeballed the alignment of the lines and car or if you measured. I suspect you eyeballed.

I know, you are going to groan and complain how impossible and hopeless I am, etc, but nonetheless, I am not convinced.

The biggest problem here is that the foliage south of the bridge doesn't match in any of the photos. The overhead Google shot may be from a different year, so we can excuse some different foliage there, but the top two are supposed to be at the same time yet the foliage south of the bridge are strangely different.

Other problems:

1) the cab in the top shot is much more into the right-hand lane than you depict, and this throws a lot of your positioning off.
2) your angle of the stone bridge shot is not right-- and it looks like the shot was taken close to the cab, judging from the perspective sizing of the signs and the cab (the cab is much larger than the signs and this doesn't fit with your sight line).
3) if you look at the broken light pole top cover, it is laying very close to the stone wall in the top shot (we can place this piece with a high degree of certainty) and thus really shouldn't be visible in the second shot -- or at minimum, it should be much close to the trees.


I agree that it doesn't make sense that they would move the car and pole pieces over just a few feet, and that it makes more sense if the car and pieces are in the same position in both shots. But the pictures just don't show this.

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  - The Strange Case of Lloyde England spooked911  Jul-17-10 08:31 AM   #0 
  - I think you forgot one possibility #5  LARED   Jul-17-10 09:08 AM   #1 
  - I vote for...  SDuderstadt   Jul-17-10 09:34 AM   #2 
  - Kind of like whistleblowers. nt  deconstruct911   Jul-17-10 01:11 PM   #5 
  - What are you babbling about now? nt  LARED   Jul-17-10 01:31 PM   #6 
  - read what I replied to. nt  deconstruct911   Jul-17-10 03:50 PM   #10 
     - l wrote what you replied to. nt  LARED   Jul-17-10 03:59 PM   #11 
        - and of course...have difficulty understanding. as usual  Twist_U_Up   Jul-22-10 07:14 PM   #81 
           - Always a pleasure having you drop by.  LARED   Jul-22-10 09:07 PM   #87 
  - making no sense as usual  zappaman   Jul-17-10 02:00 PM   #7 
  - If you watch the video, you can see it is not just England not remembering  spooked911   Jul-17-10 03:13 PM   #8 
  - spooked, I watched until Ranke's  LARED   Jul-17-10 03:22 PM   #9 
     - well, you need to fast forward to where they show England the pics.  spooked911   Jul-17-10 04:34 PM   #12 
        - Uh.... So what?  William Seger   Jul-17-10 06:59 PM   #17 
        - Dude-- Ranke says more than once that he thinks England could have been a victim  spooked911   Jul-17-10 09:34 PM   #18 
           - Wrong!  William Seger   Jul-18-10 11:39 AM   #21 
              - Yes, England could be a victim, as Ranke says.  spooked911   Jul-18-10 10:14 PM   #25 
              - "England is a low-level patsy"  SDuderstadt   Jul-18-10 10:30 PM   #26 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-22-10 07:15 PM   #82 
                    - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-22-10 07:24 PM   #84 
                    - Yeah, ones that actually make sense, which...  SDuderstadt   Jul-22-10 08:28 PM   #86 
              - Longer response  spooked911   Jul-19-10 11:13 AM   #29 
                 - "A confused person would admit that they might be wrong"  SDuderstadt   Jul-19-10 11:36 AM   #31 
                 - England was shown pictures of himself at a location and he denied he was there,  spooked911   Jul-19-10 07:47 PM   #33 
                 - I'm sure he didn't trust Ranke and...  SDuderstadt   Jul-19-10 07:54 PM   #34 
                 - "Just because someone is confused, doesn't mean they're aware they are confused"  Twist_U_Up   Jul-22-10 07:17 PM   #83 
                    - How is your "9/11 was an inside job" crusade...  SDuderstadt   Jul-22-10 07:33 PM   #85 
                 - "These two pics leave absolutely no doubt that there was funny business with where LE was."  LARED   Jul-19-10 06:45 PM   #32 
                 - take another look then  spooked911   Jul-19-10 07:55 PM   #35 
                    - How do you know the pictures were....  SDuderstadt   Jul-19-10 08:19 PM   #36 
                    - I doubt they were taken at the same time  spooked911   Jul-20-10 06:33 AM   #38 
                    - The car position looks the same to me;  LARED   Jul-19-10 09:14 PM   #37 
                       - try looking at the position of the lamp pole now  spooked911   Jul-20-10 06:34 AM   #39 
                          - Did that, no change.  LARED   Jul-20-10 02:53 PM   #40 
                             - LARED--  spooked911   Jul-20-10 04:01 PM   #41 
                                - Spooked  LARED   Jul-20-10 04:51 PM   #42 
                                   - I figured that was your explanation but it simply can't be true  spooked911   Jul-20-10 05:07 PM   #43 
                                      - Spooked you have just validated my argument  LARED   Jul-20-10 05:49 PM   #46 
                                      - the denial is strong in you, my son  spooked911   Jul-21-10 06:32 AM   #50 
                                      - Why don't you meet with all of us...  SDuderstadt   Jul-21-10 09:55 AM   #52 
                                      - Hey Spooked  zappaman   Jul-21-10 03:41 PM   #54 
                                      - I have found a series of puzzles to help you improve  LARED   Jul-21-10 08:49 PM   #66 
                                      - that makes no sense, LARED  zappaman   Jul-21-10 08:58 PM   #67 
                                      - How did you get a picture of...  SDuderstadt   Jul-21-10 09:24 PM   #68 
                                      - that's cute but  spooked911   Jul-22-10 06:58 AM   #72 
                                      - No way is the taxi in the same position in those two photos.  eomer   Jul-21-10 07:07 PM   #60 
                                         - That's why the focal length of the lens matters  William Seger   Jul-21-10 07:24 PM   #61 
                                         - Wouldn't you need to define...  SDuderstadt   Jul-21-10 07:43 PM   #62 
                                         - like that would help  zappaman   Jul-21-10 08:23 PM   #63 
                                         - My intentions were good....  SDuderstadt   Jul-21-10 08:32 PM   #64 
                                         - If one bothers to look closely at the zoomed shot provided by spooked  LARED   Jul-21-10 08:45 PM   #65 
                                         - No, it is clear. Look again at the closeup photo.  eomer   Jul-22-10 05:00 AM   #69 
                                         - Which line is longer?  LARED   Jul-22-10 05:38 AM   #70 
                                         - How long is this line?  eomer   Jul-22-10 06:12 AM   #71 
                                         - Do I need to draw you a picture?  William Seger   Jul-22-10 11:19 AM   #76 
                                         - Your yellow line is wrong.  eomer   Jul-23-10 06:17 AM   #88 
                                         - Nope, you're wrong  William Seger   Jul-23-10 08:52 AM   #90 
                                         - you're good with google earth  spooked911   Jul-23-10 07:41 PM   #93 
                                         - um, sorry, but no  spooked911   Jul-23-10 07:33 PM   #92 
                                         - My god, you are totally hopeless  William Seger   Jul-23-10 09:37 PM   #94 
                                         - OK, I agree.  eomer   Jul-24-10 05:20 AM   #95 
                                         - Thanks--  spooked911   Jul-25-10 07:46 AM   #98 
                                         - Spooked you need to accept the fact that  LARED   Jul-25-10 08:42 AM   #100 
                                         - "but nonetheless, I am not convinced"  zappaman   Jul-25-10 11:25 AM   #102 
                                         - Foliage "not matching"  sgsmith   Jul-25-10 04:32 PM   #105 
                                         - with all due respect...  SDuderstadt   Jul-25-10 07:03 PM   #106 
                                         - I wonder, Is it a bias or some  LARED   Jul-25-10 07:26 PM   #107 
                                         - I think it is...  SDuderstadt   Jul-25-10 07:37 PM   #108 
                                         - Thanks  spooked911   Jul-26-10 06:16 AM   #109 
                                         - *sigh*  zappaman   Jul-26-10 10:21 AM   #110 
                                         - Actually, when Spooked uses words like "indisputably"...  SDuderstadt   Jul-26-10 10:32 AM   #111 
                                         - This photo shows Seger's sketchup is wrong  spooked911   Aug-04-10 08:05 PM   #112 
                                         - I see the effects of depth compression  LARED   Aug-05-10 05:37 AM   #113 
                                         - Depth compression doesn't magically make a lane marking appear  spooked911   Aug-05-10 07:37 AM   #114 
                                         - "lane marking appear"  LARED   Aug-05-10 06:16 PM   #115 
                                         - the cab is over the third lane marker from the sign, Seger's shows it over the second marker from  spooked911   Aug-06-10 07:42 PM   #119 
                                         - Now I understand what you are talking about.  LARED   Aug-06-10 09:58 PM   #121 
                                         - Without a doubt...  William Seger   Aug-05-10 10:22 PM   #116 
                                         - Heh  spooked911   Aug-06-10 07:39 PM   #117 
                                         - The funny thing is...  SDuderstadt   Aug-06-10 07:41 PM   #118 
                                         - The problems are not with the photos  William Seger   Aug-06-10 09:44 PM   #120 
                                         - OK, I am wrong about the sign, the shadow and the lane markers  spooked911   Aug-07-10 10:38 PM   #122 
                                         - understandable  zappaman   Aug-07-10 11:26 PM   #123 
                                         - I've already described the problems earlier-- the foliage, where the pole debris was, etc  spooked911   Aug-08-10 04:39 PM   #126 
                                         - the pics were altered?  zappaman   Aug-08-10 05:57 PM   #127 
                                         - It was part of the ongoing mindfuck of 9/11.  spooked911   Aug-09-10 08:58 PM   #128 
                                         - Spooked how's the forthcoming photo analysis progressing?  LARED   Aug-09-10 09:10 PM   #129 
                                         - the cab wasn't necessarily moved  spooked911   Aug-10-10 08:10 PM   #132 
                                         - I can hardly wait for your analysis to be completed nt  LARED   Aug-10-10 09:16 PM   #134 
                                         - I wonder if the analysis is complete yet?  zappaman   Nov-06-10 09:12 PM   #196 
                                         - as I already said--  spooked911   Nov-07-10 06:21 AM   #197 
                                         - And...  SDuderstadt   Nov-07-10 06:54 AM   #198 
                                         - Darn, I saw this thread back at the top and I thought  LARED   Nov-07-10 07:17 AM   #199 
                                         - Nope...  SDuderstadt   Nov-07-10 07:25 AM   #200 
                                         - you know  spooked911   Nov-07-10 04:23 PM   #205 
                                         - More unintentional irony...  SDuderstadt   Nov-07-10 04:28 PM   #206 
                                         - yes I know all about  zappaman   Aug-10-10 02:31 PM   #130 
                                         - yeah, it's not really funny  spooked911   Aug-10-10 08:11 PM   #133 
                                         - Now, if you'd just open up your mind to...  SDuderstadt   Aug-07-10 11:44 PM   #124 
                                         - Do I detect a small kink in the mental armor  LARED   Aug-08-10 08:18 AM   #125 
                                         - The backgrounds are so different as to make  spooked911   Jul-22-10 07:02 AM   #74 
                                         - Your confidence is astounding  LARED   Jul-22-10 04:56 PM   #79 
                                         - thank you  spooked911   Jul-22-10 06:59 AM   #73 
                                         - good  zappaman   Jul-22-10 10:45 AM   #75 
                                         - And all I'm saying is...  William Seger   Jul-22-10 11:53 AM   #77 
                                         - And over and over and over and over...  SDuderstadt   Jul-22-10 01:19 PM   #78 
                                         - So this is how it is?  spooked911   Jul-23-10 07:37 AM   #89 
                                         - No, this is how it is  William Seger   Jul-23-10 09:00 AM   #91 
                                      - Spooked, I just noticed the red circle in the trees  LARED   Jul-20-10 07:41 PM   #47 
                                      - wow  spooked911   Jul-21-10 06:30 AM   #49 
                                         - Wow....  SDuderstadt   Jul-21-10 09:57 AM   #53 
                                         - So I take it you really think the smoking gun is finally found?  LARED   Jul-21-10 04:57 PM   #55 
                                         - I'll contribute to England's....  SDuderstadt   Jul-21-10 05:01 PM   #56 
                                      - thats an absurd insinuation  NYMdaveNYI   Jul-21-10 05:51 PM   #57 
                 - Yes, it's pointless, because:  William Seger   Jul-20-10 05:21 PM   #45 
                    - Seger--  spooked911   Jul-21-10 06:41 AM   #51 
                       - You are simply wrong  William Seger   Jul-21-10 05:56 PM   #58 
                       - how about meeting with others, spooked?  zappaman   Jul-21-10 06:53 PM   #59 
                          - first, I already addressed this a few times before  spooked911   Jul-25-10 07:48 AM   #99 
                             - Why don't YOU arrange it, Spooked?  SDuderstadt   Jul-25-10 10:19 AM   #101 
                                - becauze YOU'RE the one  spooked911   Jul-25-10 02:44 PM   #103 
                                   - I gave you links to groups before, Spooked  zappaman   Jul-25-10 04:31 PM   #104 
        - Spooked I made it to twenty minutes and can now conclude  LARED   Jul-17-10 10:20 PM   #20 
  - Ya' know....  terrafirma   Jul-19-10 11:18 AM   #30 
  - And this is why  William Seger   Jul-17-10 09:40 AM   #3 
  - Well said, WS...  SDuderstadt   Jul-17-10 09:54 AM   #4 
  - Yes, the truth is embarrassing, isn't it?  spooked911   Jul-17-10 04:37 PM   #14 
     - I watched the ENTIRE video...  SDuderstadt   Jul-17-10 06:57 PM   #16 
  - No, you are wrong.  spooked911   Jul-17-10 04:35 PM   #13 
     - I HAVE watched it  William Seger   Jul-17-10 05:56 PM   #15 
        - But if anything, England supports the northerly approach of the plane!  spooked911   Jul-17-10 09:41 PM   #19 
        - Wow.  William Seger   Jul-18-10 12:04 PM   #22 
           - photos never lie, eh?  spooked911   Jul-18-10 09:52 PM   #24 
              - "But it's just foolish to pretend there is nothing suspicious about all of this."  zappaman   Jul-18-10 11:49 PM   #27 
              - Have you no decency, dude?  SDuderstadt   Jul-19-10 12:20 AM   #28 
        - "The people who hijacked AA77  immune   Nov-07-10 01:20 PM   #202 
  - disgraceful  zappaman   Jul-18-10 01:38 PM   #23 
  - good discussion of this here  spooked911   Jul-20-10 05:08 PM   #44 
  - SSDD  William Seger   Jul-20-10 10:04 PM   #48 
  - To any believer that the car was moved....  LARED   Jul-22-10 04:58 PM   #80 
  - I've seen a good bit of info on Lloyde England -- seems he's trying to whistleblow --  defendandprotect   Jul-24-10 09:43 PM   #96 
  - yes, Defendandprotect  zappaman   Jul-24-10 10:10 PM   #97 
  - Spooked, and anyone else interested...  scott75   Aug-10-10 07:39 PM   #131 
  - thanks-- interesting that they start out with this:  spooked911   Aug-12-10 01:13 PM   #135 
     - Or that none of you know how to analyze photos and take...  SDuderstadt   Aug-12-10 01:28 PM   #136 
     - Case in point...  SDuderstadt   Aug-12-10 03:14 PM   #138 
        - dude  spooked911   Aug-13-10 07:21 AM   #146 
     - "photomanipulated"  LARED   Aug-12-10 03:55 PM   #140 
        - I just photomanipulated myself  zappaman   Aug-12-10 07:36 PM   #141 
           - You owe me another keyboard...  SDuderstadt   Aug-12-10 07:46 PM   #142 
              - I think we should have The Company pay for it.  zappaman   Aug-12-10 08:15 PM   #143 
                 - That's TWO keyboards now....  SDuderstadt   Aug-12-10 08:25 PM   #144 
  - simple question--  spooked911   Aug-12-10 02:13 PM   #137 
  - Maybe  LARED   Aug-12-10 03:52 PM   #139 
     - I don't understand your first part about the wires  spooked911   Aug-13-10 07:02 AM   #145 
        - "I don't understand"  zappaman   Aug-13-10 11:18 AM   #147 
        - I should know better  LARED   Aug-13-10 07:58 PM   #148 
           - Seriously?  spooked911   Aug-14-10 12:57 PM   #149 
              - So, Spooked...  SDuderstadt   Aug-14-10 01:06 PM   #150 
              - The evidence is the fucking evidence  spooked911   Aug-14-10 04:55 PM   #151 
                 - Jesus, Spooked...  SDuderstadt   Aug-14-10 05:11 PM   #152 
                    - Honestly, think about it  spooked911   Aug-15-10 08:54 AM   #157 
                       - Fucking unbelievable...  SDuderstadt   Aug-15-10 10:22 AM   #160 
                       - Seriously?  spooked911   Aug-15-10 07:31 PM   #168 
                          - I hereby announce the creation of....  SDuderstadt   Aug-15-10 10:31 PM   #173 
                             - love it!  zappaman   Aug-15-10 11:46 PM   #174 
                             - Well, I've worked my way up....  SDuderstadt   Aug-15-10 11:52 PM   #175 
                             - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-17-10 08:44 AM   #178 
                                - Yet, you don't have a single witness who saw...  SDuderstadt   Aug-17-10 09:03 AM   #179 
                       - I don't see anybody  immune   Nov-07-10 01:48 PM   #203 
              - 'This hole is big, but it's not that big:'  LARED   Aug-14-10 08:03 PM   #153 
                 - do I need to draw a picture?  spooked911   Aug-15-10 09:27 AM   #158 
                    - YES, it certainly does...  SDuderstadt   Aug-15-10 10:24 AM   #161 
                    - how big do you think that lamp pole top was, plus the arm?  spooked911   Aug-15-10 07:32 PM   #169 
                    - It absolutely looks big enough. nt  LARED   Aug-15-10 11:54 AM   #162 
  - Nobody still thinks a plane hit the Pentagon  mrarundale   Aug-15-10 12:37 AM   #154 
  - Ask the 100+ witnesses who saw the plane...  SDuderstadt   Aug-15-10 12:44 AM   #155 
  - Nobody  LARED   Aug-15-10 07:12 AM   #156 
  - I forget to tell you that  LARED   Aug-15-10 07:03 PM   #167 
  - Pentalawners absolutely do believe it.  immune   Nov-07-10 01:52 PM   #204 
  - Seger's alignment is definitely off in one clear way  spooked911   Aug-15-10 09:35 AM   #159 
  - Once again I must ask  LARED   Aug-15-10 12:01 PM   #163 
  - actually  zappaman   Aug-15-10 02:09 PM   #164 
  - I'd fire him if he was a disinfo agent  LARED   Aug-15-10 07:00 PM   #166 
  - Dude--  spooked911   Aug-15-10 07:33 PM   #170 
     - dude  zappaman   Aug-15-10 07:45 PM   #171 
     - I understood what you wrote. It's ridiculous.  LARED   Aug-15-10 08:47 PM   #172 
        - Fine, but  spooked911   Aug-17-10 09:04 AM   #180 
           - So I guess that leaves three options  LARED   Aug-17-10 05:10 PM   #181 
           - Just a kick to see if spooked will admit  LARED   Aug-20-10 05:29 AM   #182 
              - kick  zappaman   Aug-27-10 10:50 PM   #183 
              - Sorry, no.  spooked911   Sep-02-10 08:04 PM   #184 
                 - Trust me, promoting that idea needs no  LARED   Sep-02-10 08:32 PM   #186 
                    - According to you.  spooked911   Sep-03-10 08:32 PM   #189 
                       - 'you all seem incapable of seeing simple things'  LARED   Sep-03-10 09:36 PM   #191 
  - digging a deeper hole  sgsmith   Aug-15-10 05:58 PM   #165 
  - Oh yeah, it's at LEAST a foot off  William Seger   Aug-16-10 01:06 PM   #176 
     - I think you were off by at least 13 inches, and that makes all the difference  LARED   Aug-17-10 05:39 AM   #177 
     - I understand this quite well, thank you.  spooked911   Sep-02-10 08:10 PM   #185 
        - Spooked, are you okay?  zappaman   Sep-03-10 01:20 AM   #187 
           - I'm fine, just busy  spooked911   Sep-03-10 08:30 PM   #188 
              - Nice rationalization, Spooked...  SDuderstadt   Sep-03-10 09:05 PM   #190 
                 - He'll never take the bet. nt  LARED   Sep-03-10 09:52 PM   #192 
                 - I'm sure it would make sense to most intelligent people  spooked911   Sep-05-10 11:29 AM   #193 
                    - Spoken like a true believer  LARED   Sep-05-10 11:44 AM   #194 
                    - "per the original post"  William Seger   Sep-05-10 02:05 PM   #195 
  - So, after 200 posts, let me get this straight..  KDLarsen   Nov-07-10 08:23 AM   #201 
 

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