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The impossible GTE phone call of Peter Hanson (Flight 175)
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Peter Hanson was a passenger on Flight 175. Just three minutes before the South Tower crash, he called his father:

At 9:00, Lee Hanson received a second call from his son Peter:

"It's getting bad, Dad -- A stewardess was stabbed -- They seem to have knives and Mace -- They said they have a bomb -- It's getting very bad on the plane -- Passengers are throwing up and getting sick -- The plane is making jerky movements -- I don't think the pilot is flying the plane -- I think we are going down -- I think they intend to go to Chicago or someplace and fly into a building -- Don't worry, Dad -- If it happens, it'll be very fast -- My God, my God."

The call ended abruptly. Lee Hanson had heard a woman scream just before it cut off. He turned on a television, and in her home so did Louise Sweeney. Both then saw the second aircraft hit the World Trade Center.

At 9:03:11, United Airlines Flight 175 struck the South Tower of the World Trade Center. All on board, along with an unknown number of people in the tower, were killed instantly.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronic...


The strange circumstances of this call have already been noticed by others: Hanson doesn't mention the steep dive the plane is making (5000 ft/minute); he doesn't recognize the New York skyline and still thinks the plane is westbound toward Chicago; etc, etc.

I'm not going to talk about these odditites. But there's a little additional problem: the call was made from an inbuilt GTE "airfone", and the time data are precise to the second:

30CDE 9:00:03 Peter Hanson Lee Hanson (father) 192 sec

http://media.nara.gov/9-11/MFR/t-0148-911MFR-00216.pdf

(kudos to Kevin Fenton for providing this material)

Okay. Let's do a little computing.

9:00:03 - begin of recorded phone call
9:03:15 - end of recorded phone call

The plane crashed into the South Tower at 9:03:11, 4 seconds before the call was finished.

Am I the only one who sees a problem here?



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  The impossible GTE phone call of Peter Hanson (Flight 175) woody b  Jan-19-09 05:07 PM   #0 
   What do you think could explain this oddity?  boloboffin   Jan-19-09 05:25 PM   #1 
   I'm surprised any air phone calls were made on 9/11  BunnyBluetimes   Jan-19-09 05:45 PM   #2 
   Ah, so you've got the Ms. Manners Book on How To Behave In Hijackings.  boloboffin   Jan-19-09 05:53 PM   #3 
   Terrorist Hijackers were flying the planes  BunnyBluetimes   Jan-19-09 06:00 PM   #4 
   I liked your other name better...  MrMickeysMom   Jan-22-09 10:03 PM   #11 
      I don't care.  Bolo Boffin   Jan-22-09 10:56 PM   #12 
         Sure you do  MrMickeysMom   Jan-23-09 03:31 PM   #13 
            See, that doesn't make sense.  Bolo Boffin   Jan-23-09 05:52 PM   #15 
               I don't even have to make this case, as you just did.  MrMickeysMom   Jan-23-09 11:54 PM   #17 
                  Oh, when you say, "coming back," you mean responding to your silly posts.  Bolo Boffin   Jan-24-09 01:51 AM   #18 
                     I hope you find something else to interact with, BB  MrMickeysMom   Jan-24-09 08:48 AM   #19 
   FBI has stated that there were NO PHONE CALLS ....!!  defendandprotect   Oct-29-09 11:47 PM   #78 
      That is absolute bullshit, D&P...  SDuderstadt   Oct-29-09 11:59 PM   #79 
   Nice work Woody I Did a video a few months ago ...  seatnineb   Jan-19-09 06:04 PM   #5 
   Do you know the difference between "accurate" and "precise"? n/t  William Seger   Jan-19-09 07:14 PM   #6 
   One of my favorite Wikipedia articles!  sofa king   Jan-22-09 04:35 AM   #10 
   "Hanson doesn't mention the steep dive..." "I think we are going down."  spoony   Jan-20-09 01:58 AM   #7 
   one would think if there was a steep dive  spooked911   Oct-26-09 08:05 AM   #36 
      Really, Spooked?  SDuderstadt   Oct-26-09 09:16 AM   #39 
         I think he would have been more sure about them going down  spooked911   Oct-26-09 07:15 PM   #42 
   Here's an experiment for you to try on several different phone systems  jberryhill   Jan-20-09 02:02 AM   #8 
   I was just watching the inauguration  boloboffin   Jan-20-09 12:44 PM   #9 
   The King of Dada  Woody Box   Jan-23-09 03:43 PM   #14 
      But there was five seconds difference between Obama swearing in on TV and on the computer  Bolo Boffin   Jan-23-09 05:54 PM   #16 
   kick...  Woody Box   Oct-06-09 04:23 PM   #20 
   The only thing shocking is that you are still at this.  Theobald   Oct-06-09 04:34 PM   #22 
   "anticipation of shocking news on Flight 175"  Bolo Boffin   Oct-06-09 08:30 PM   #23 
      well...Flight 175 was over Pittsburgh according to ACARS messages  Woody Box   Oct-08-09 04:56 PM   #25 
         yeah, funny how they ignore that  spooked911   Oct-26-09 08:06 AM   #37 
   Yes, dude....  SDuderstadt   Oct-06-09 04:32 PM   #21 
   I see you have done a lot of CDR analysis in your day...  snooper2   Oct-08-09 03:02 PM   #24 
   That doesn't make sense.  scrinmaster   Oct-08-09 08:32 PM   #26 
   The phone call was not faked  Woody Box   Oct-20-09 04:35 PM   #27 
   "The problem is that when he called, he was surely not aboard the plane that hit the South Tower."  SDuderstadt   Oct-20-09 04:54 PM   #28 
   Tell that to Peter Hanson's Dad.  Theobald   Oct-20-09 05:01 PM   #29 
      Hey  Woody Box   Oct-22-09 01:58 PM   #32 
         Nice work bro. n/t  seatnineb   Oct-25-09 05:31 AM   #35 
   There's a bigger problem...  SDuderstadt   Oct-20-09 07:26 PM   #31 
      It is very interesting to me...  Realityhack   Oct-22-09 02:06 PM   #33 
         I have a great way to describe....  SDuderstadt   Oct-22-09 02:37 PM   #34 
   Hmmmm, my computer has the exact time since my servers use NTP  ryan_cats   Oct-20-09 06:14 PM   #30 
   I have always been confused by what exactly the passengers are seeing to say "oh my god" and scream  spooked911   Oct-26-09 08:09 AM   #38 
   "Truther Logic"...  SDuderstadt   Oct-26-09 09:18 AM   #40 
      I guess you haven't flown much as a passenger  spooked911   Oct-26-09 07:14 PM   #41 
         I fly a lot, dude...  SDuderstadt   Oct-26-09 07:19 PM   #43 
            Considering I have flown a lot... and...  Neily   Oct-27-09 03:41 AM   #44 
            The flight path for an airport in NYC....  SDuderstadt   Oct-27-09 10:14 AM   #46 
               Planes that entered the towers...  Neily   Oct-27-09 11:03 AM   #48 
                  I didn't say they originated from NYC airports....  SDuderstadt   Oct-27-09 11:10 AM   #49 
                     Originated or Destinated...  Neily   Oct-28-09 12:58 AM   #54 
                        I think the speed they were going and the altitude they were flying were....  SDuderstadt   Oct-28-09 01:01 AM   #55 
                        Dead Give Aways... of?  Neily   Oct-28-09 02:35 AM   #58 
                           Please continue this line of "reasoning."  Bolo Boffin   Oct-28-09 03:19 AM   #59 
                           Nevrmind....  SDuderstadt   Oct-28-09 09:59 AM   #61 
                        The 2nd plane had no foreknowledge  KDLarsen   Oct-28-09 01:27 AM   #56 
            so you concede they wouldn't see precisely where they are heading  spooked911   Oct-27-09 07:39 AM   #45 
               This question is so stupid....  SDuderstadt   Oct-27-09 10:16 AM   #47 
               Even the most novice flyer  vincent_vega_lives   Oct-27-09 02:23 PM   #50 
                  "And, hey, is that a smoking WTC tower in the distance?"  Bolo Boffin   Oct-27-09 04:12 PM   #51 
                  And my hat is off to both you and VVL for...  SDuderstadt   Oct-27-09 04:18 PM   #52 
                  "Truther Logic"....  SDuderstadt   Oct-27-09 04:28 PM   #53 
                     ha ha, you wish  spooked911   Oct-28-09 07:41 AM   #60 
                        "Truther Logic"...  SDuderstadt   Oct-28-09 10:03 AM   #62 
                        First, I disagree that passengers in that situation could tell they were going too fast.  spooked911   Oct-28-09 09:30 PM   #69 
                           Spooked....  SDuderstadt   Oct-28-09 09:34 PM   #70 
                        Spooked does it seem odd that his DAD had time to turn on the TV and see....  lovepg   Oct-28-09 11:23 AM   #63 
                           Everything seems odd to you guys...  SDuderstadt   Oct-28-09 11:28 AM   #64 
                           First of all you are not spooked. Second you do not have to be a no planer to wonder  lovepg   Oct-28-09 11:38 AM   #65 
                              Dude...  SDuderstadt   Oct-28-09 11:42 AM   #66 
                                 Rude I really have NO interest in a single thing you have to say.  lovepg   Oct-28-09 11:44 PM   #72 
                                    Oh; yeah....  SDuderstadt   Oct-28-09 11:55 PM   #74 
                                       I am glad you agree. iTs the first time!  lovepg   Oct-28-09 11:58 PM   #76 
                           yes, all good points  spooked911   Oct-28-09 09:15 PM   #67 
                              Why don't you tell that to Hanson's....  SDuderstadt   Oct-28-09 09:20 PM   #68 
                              If I could, I would  spooked911   Oct-30-09 07:29 AM   #80 
                                 What's stopping you, Spooked?  SDuderstadt   Oct-30-09 09:56 AM   #81 
                                    why?  spooked911   Oct-30-09 08:14 PM   #82 
                                       I'm sure you could locate him through a 9/11 victims family group....  SDuderstadt   Oct-30-09 08:17 PM   #83 
                                          I see no reason to go out of my way to do that.  spooked911   Oct-31-09 09:22 AM   #84 
                                             If his dad has doubts  HannibalCards   Oct-31-09 09:42 AM   #85 
                              Hey, I've got a great idea.....  SDuderstadt   Oct-28-09 09:51 PM   #71 
                                 Snarkgas. avoid.nt  lovepg   Oct-28-09 11:45 PM   #73 
                                    Well, thanks for labeling your post so clearly in the subject line...  SDuderstadt   Oct-28-09 11:57 PM   #75 
                                       Not worth your time snark gas.  lovepg   Oct-28-09 11:59 PM   #77 
   delete  lovepg   Oct-28-09 02:15 AM   #57 
 

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