Reply #114: more on defina (approx time of diabetic incident in terminal B)

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AND JUST FOR THE RECORD THE WHOLE DIABETIC INCIDENT IS STRANGE TO ME


"Class was cancelled around 0915 HRS,after a second plane hit 2 World Trade. Minutes later, MWAA Rescue Engine 335 and Medic 325 responded to a multiple vehicle car crash at the upper level of Reagan National’s Terminal B. A diabetic driver in insulin shock had slammed into other cars dropping off travelers. Although the airport was not on general alert, Defina decided to respond to the vehicle crash.

The driver of the vehicle was unconscious with profoundly low blood sugar. The crews treating the patient had their backs to the Pentagon when the plane struck. “I heard a dull roar. The noise did not belong with the noise you were used to hearing within the air-port,” says Defina. “I turned and saw a smoke plume rise.” At 0939 HRS the National Airport control tower transmitted, “Crash! Crash! Crash!” over the MWAA frequency and activated an airport alert, but there was confusion about the exact location of the crash. At about the same time, the control tower also reported a missing inbound 757.

Metropolitan Washington Airports Authority Sept. 11, MWAA had 16 on-duty firefighters at Reagan National Air-port, just 0.6 miles from the Pentagon. Another dozen off-duty fire- Medic 325 trans-ported the unconscious driver to George Washington University hospital in Washington, D.C. and then responded to the Pentagon. Paramedic Mike Fetsko says it was the quickest patient transfer he’s ever experienced. “They were waiting for us outside the emergency department,” he recalls. “They immediately moved the patient onto a gurney and told us to go.”

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Look at that last sentence. anyone else feel the diabetic incidence was staged?

It reminds me of the various conflicting stories on where Lee Harvey Oswald headed just after supposedly shooting Kennedy. Remember there was that bizarre conflict in story regarding that policeman that was shot just after the Kennedy shooting. There was confusion there as well. At one point, if I am remembering correctly, Oswald appears to be in two places at the same time. This diabetic incident here is as baffling to me.

All this confusion over the exact crash location and RRNA Tower's "missing 757". Somehow it appears to me the Airport runway at one point was "mistaken" as a crash site? The plane Barbara from the Ensor CNN transcript was seen flying low to the ground. The sound Defina heard in the airport which is 3 miles from the Pentagon.

FROM THE MURPHY ARTICLE

was only minutes away from slamming at 0938 hours into the Pentagon, about 3 miles (4.8 kilometers) from National.

At the accident scene, where a driver with a diabetic reaction had struck several vehicles, the firefighters were working with their backs to the Pentagon.

"I heard a dull roar. The noise didn't belong with the noise you were used to hearing within the airport," Captain Defina said. "I turned and saw a smoke plume arise."

END ARTICLE

( so according to time they had been in terminal B with diabetic for 18 minutes before the diabetic was transported to the hospital and what 3 minutes later Defina with crew arrive at the pentagon which would be 9:41 okay 9:45 to take into consideration the confusion in the TOWER and the INITIALLY INCORRECT report of the runway as a crash location)

MURPHY ARTICLE CONTINUES

As he and Rescue Engine 335 responded toward the Pentagon, there was confusion from the control tower in an alert of a "missing 757." Initially, it was thought to be another crash, possibly at the end of the runway or on nearby George Washington Parkway. But it was quickly confirmed the crash was at the Pentagon, and Captain Defina ordered a response by one of National's crash rigs, Foam Unit 331, and SERV-329, the mass casualty/disaster unit, from the now-closed airport.

"Arriving two to three minutes later at the Pentagon's south parking lot, Captain Defina saw heavy smoke and heavy fire to his left on the building's west side."

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SO WHAT? The full ARFF Crew with truck and INTERIM BATTALION CAPTAIN (remember the battalion Captain was at a meeting off site) is in Terminal B with a diabetic off duty guys transport diabetic to hostipal while the on duty guys SKID immediately off to pentagon arriving two to three minutes later at the pentagon's south parking lot?

It makes me wonder if this Diabetic story is a cover story of some sort. It feels like there is some kind of slight of hand going on here. As if there really was an incident at the airport, which throws a jackhammer into the whole thing. So they have to explain it while ignoring it at the exact same time. And this vague diabetic "motor vehicle incident is a cover to explain an incident yet not tell us anything specific. I mean did the motor vehicle incident create a fire. Or how many other vehicles were involved, etc. It is weird.

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my concern is timing from the incident in parking lot of terminal B at RRNA to scene at pentagon in which the murphy article states bulk of fire was put out in 7 minutes. here is the whole paragraph quoted from the AAAR.

here again is the blurb from the AAAR...

Meanwhile at the Metropolitan Washington Airports (MWAA) Fire Department at Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport, Captain Michael Defina was investigating an incident at Terminal B when he heard the impact and saw the smoke rising in the distance. He called Fire Communications and was advised of a report of a Boeing 757 crash off the end of Runway 1-19. That was quickly amended, identifying the Pentagon as the crash site. The MWAA contacted the Arlington ECC and was directed to respond to the Pentagon. They did so with substantial resources: a rescue engine, two foam nits, two mass casualty units, a mini-pumper, and a command vehicle. Because MWAA has authority to respond automatically to an airplane crash within 5 miles of the airport, two heavy rescue units had already self dispatched to the Pentagon."

Where is runway 1-19 in relation to Terminal B?

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ALSO MURPHY'S ARTICLE STATES "At 0952, the airport crews started an interior attack and search and rescue. Although National was not part of a pre-incident fire plan for the Pentagon, a few of the airport personnel were familiar with the building since National's medic unit often responds to calls at the Pentagon.

QUESTION if not a part of the pre-incident fire plan WELL why were they the first to arrive? There might be a simple answer for that question.

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another thing on time line....

FROM MURPHY'S ARTICLE

While the Arlington County Fire Department's command post was swamped with coordinating the response, National's crews used their own radio frequency to call for more units, with eight arriving on scene in the early stages of the incident.

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I assume these 8 units are the same units referred to in the AAAR. those responding to the fire in roslyn. they arrived at the scene in the early stage of the incident... I assume this means the early stages of the FIRE INCIDENT as in the BULK OF THE FIRE...

If this is so the 9 call came in to ECC re: roslyn fire at 9:37. explosion time is at 9:38 these 8 units arrive at pentagon within 2 minutes of crash that gets them there at 9:40. How is it Defina beat them there was already set up and fighting the fire? (especially since he was in a terminal parking lot three miles away haggling with the tower as to where crash site was, and considering and National was not part of a pre-incident fire plan for the Pentagon).

The AAAR also DOES NOT STATE those 8 crews received a direct call to the pentagon. THAT TIME OF CALL IS ABSENT FROM THE AAAR ( i will double check that).

I BELIEVE THERE IS ONE MORE BIT OF INFORMATION ON THE RRNA TOWER WHICH I HAVEN'T FOUND AGAIN YET, REGARDING TWO AGENTS PICKED UP AT THE RRNA TOWER. I remember reading that but I have yet to find that article again.