Reply #87: LARED vs MercutioATC

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LARED seems to think that the FAA is corrupt.
MercutioATC, with his "years of experience" does not think so.
I guess that those outside the FAA regard it to be problematic
but those inside remain blissfully unaware of the need to mend their evil ways.
Here is a classic example:

This is part of the flight history of N591UA on September 10 and September 11, 2001.

United Airlines Flight 78 (N591UA) arrived at Newark International from San Francisco at 07:01 (7:01AM) on September 10, 2001.
http://www.bts.gov/cgi-bin/ntda/oai/DetailedStatistics/OAI_G1.PL

United Airlines Flight 0075 (N591UA) left Newark International for San Francisco at 18:30 (6:30PM) on September 10, 2001.
http://www.bts.gov/cgi-bin/ntda/oai/DetailedStatistics/OAI_G1.PL

NO problem so far.
Now, we are assured that United Airlines Flight 175 (N591UA) left Newark International for San Francisco at 08:01 (8:01AM) on September 11, 2001.
http://www.bts.gov/cgi-bin/ntda/oai/DetailedStatistics/OAI_G1.PL

OK, so far so good.
But when did the plane (N591UA) return from San Francisco to Newark?
It had to get back from the San Fran 6PM flight in order to leave Newark on the doomed flight.

Apparently NOTHING from United Airlines actually arrived at Newark International on September 11, 2001. Even in the wee hours of the morning BEFORE the hijackings.
http://www.bts.gov/cgi-bin/ntda/oai/DetailedStatistics/OAI_G1.PL
This is actually not all that surprising considering that there were reports of a fire having taking place at Newark International around noon on September 10, 2001.

OK then, lets have another look at that September 10 page. Maybe it got back before midnight.
Yes that is cutting it close for a return trip,
and yes it does look like it took over 10 hours
from the 7AM arrival at Newark to the 6PM departure for San Fran the previous day,
but what the heck, let's have another look anyway....

Well folks, it looks like the United Airlines plane (N591UA) left San Francisco at 23:00 (11:00PM) for Newark International on the night of September 10, 2001.
UA 09/10/2001 0078 N591UA EWR 23:00
http://www.bts.gov/cgi-bin/ntda/oai/DetailedStatistics/OAI_G1.PL
And it appears that United Airlines Flight 78 (N591UA) was airborne for 279 minutes. (2 hours 39 minutes)
http://www.bts.gov/cgi-bin/ntda/oai/DetailedStatistics/OAI_G1.PL

Ooop!
There it is!!
UA 09/10/2001 0642 N591UA ORD 0:00
http://www.bts.gov/cgi-bin/ntda/oai/DetailedStatistics/OAI_G1.PL

My mistake.
Wrong page.
if the plane San Fran at 11PM and was in the air for over two hours, then it must have arrived at Newark in the wee hours of the morning of September 11, 2001.
http://www.bts.gov/cgi-bin/ntda/oai/DetailedStatistics/OAI_G1.PL

Damn plane NEVER ARRIVED.

But but, I distinctly remember seeing somewhere that united Airlines Flight 642 from Chicago O'Hare (ORD) pulled into Newark on September 10 at ooh, I guess it didn't.
http://www.bts.gov/cgi-bin/ntda/oai/DetailedStatistics/OAI_G1.PL

But but, look, see United Flight 642 (N591UA) did too leave Chicago O'Hare (ORD) for Newark at 10:28 (10:28AM) on September 10, 2001.
Scroll down and see for yourself.
http://www.bts.gov/cgi-bin/ntda/oai/DetailedStatistics/OAI_G1.PL

Back to the drawing board.
United Airlines Flight 642 (N591UA) from Chicago O'Hare to Newark on September 10, 2001 did not spend anytime in the air at all.

So what do we have so far?
Confusion.
By my reckoning:
One particular United Airlines plane (N591UA) arrived at Newark from San Francisco at 7:01AM on September 10.
It then also left Chicago for Newark at 10:28AM on September 10.
Then there was a fire at Newark International and flights were not allowed to land there for some time.
At 6:30PM on September 10, the same exact plane left Newark and arrived in San Francisco at 11PM. Then it vanished again but reappeared at Newark in time for takeoff at 8:01AM on September 11, 2001.
Therefore, between 7AM and 10AM on September 10, it was in two places at the same time (flying from Newark to San Fran and also from Chicago to Newark.)
Between the hours of 2AM (11PM plus 279 minutes) and 8Am on September 11, it did not exist.

Oh well, why should we worry?
MercutioATC keeps assuring us that government databases aren't worth crap. And we have his word that that particular United Airlines plane (N591UA) eventually took off with passengers and crashed into itsy bitsy pieces and that some Arabs are to blame for all this.
The Bureau of Transportation Statistics is no match for MercutioATC.

BTS' data collection programs for aviation and motor carrier information are authorized under separate legislation enacted when the Civil Aeronautics Board (CAB) and Interstate Commerce Commission (ICC) were terminated. Both of these programs are mandatory data collections.
http://www.bts.gov/about/

LARED, you had asked:
What does government ineptness or corruption have to do with the planes you claim are still in service, and when are you going to provide some pictures?

I trust that the data above answers the first part of your question.
We now have no idea what planes were actually where.
All we can be certain of is that the United Airlines data being reported into the BTS database is incorrect and high level officials are aware of this.
The FAA and BTS both together, are telling a completely different story from the PNAC-inspired crowd that are rapidly retaining lawyers, or running for cover at the present time.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A12357-2004Jun3.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A12440-2004Jun3.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-4164331,00.html

As for the second part of your question, LARED,
pictures are of no use to you.
You will simply scream that they have been photo-shopped. Furthermore, if your sources are anywhere near as good as mine,
you know damn well why I am reluctant to post photos of that particular plane at this particular time. And if you have no idea what I am referring to, then it is just as well.