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In the last election, anti-occupation parties won 14 seats; Labour won 13 and Kadima (which I include in a list of parties that could theoretically be considered left-wing merely out of completeness) 28. The far right won 65, and has since added another 5 from labour. And at the next election it's likely to be even worse.
Moreover, the attitude of those outside the left to the left have increasingly hardened; the majority of Israelis who are not for ending the occupation are increasingly passionately against it, and view those who are as traitors (which I think they should be, but sadly most of them aren't).
Peace through consent is a dead end; Israel will never willingly consent to end the occupation. The only hope, unfortunately, is peace through bullying. That, unfortunately, is not much more likely due to the US's backing for Israel, but with help from the current Israeli government, which appears to be doing its best to alienate as much of the world as possible, there's a slim chance Europe, Russia and China might manage it.
>since you can't even find the tiniest thing good to say/defend about israel
Again, this is a direct lie; in the very post you're replying to I say that Israel is reasonably good on gay rights. But using such things to defend Israel from necessary boycotts is harmful; we should acknowledge that they're the case but make clear that they are not relevant to the need to pressure it.
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| -The Liberal Case for Israel |
oberliner |
Nov-29-11 04:51 AM |
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That's quite a silly article, imo... |
Violet_Crumble |
Nov-29-11 05:09 AM |
#1 |
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I did not think it 'silly' at all. nt |
King_David |
Nov-29-11 07:47 AM |
#4 |
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The US isn't really attacked on the same existential level as Israel |
oberliner |
Nov-29-11 09:02 AM |
#5 |
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There are many differences between the US and Israel |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Nov-29-11 09:16 AM |
#6 |
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Each of your statements is demonstrably false |
oberliner |
Nov-29-11 09:42 AM |
#8 |
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I am overwhelmed by the force of the evidence you cite. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Nov-29-11 10:08 AM |
#12 |
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You think? |
Shaktimaan |
Nov-29-11 08:51 PM |
#62 |
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Yes, I think. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Nov-29-11 09:25 PM |
#64 |
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So were you talking about the west bank or Palestine (Israel) in general? |
Shaktimaan |
Nov-30-11 01:59 AM |
#67 |
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By that logic, just about every country is "staying" in every other country... |
shaayecanaan |
Nov-30-11 02:56 AM |
#69 |
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not really. |
Shaktimaan |
Nov-30-11 09:34 AM |
#100 |
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The difference between a military base and a hostile occupation... |
shaayecanaan |
Dec-01-11 01:39 AM |
#139 |
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according to historian benny morris |
sabbat hunter |
Dec-10-11 09:15 AM |
#302 |
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That is a pathetic non-response (nt) |
shaayecanaan |
Nov-29-11 11:53 AM |
#19 |
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Do you agree with Donald's points? n/t |
shira |
Nov-29-11 02:28 PM |
#22 |
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Donald, when you argue from a viewpoint that denies Israel's very legitimacy, why do you believe... |
shira |
Nov-29-11 02:49 PM |
#25 |
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Oh, Shira, are you ever going to stop telling deliberate, knowing lies? |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Nov-29-11 07:20 PM |
#51 |
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You don't believe Jews have any right to self-determination... |
shira |
Nov-29-11 07:25 PM |
#53 |
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For the love of all that's holy, please stop lying about what I believe! |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Nov-29-11 08:50 PM |
#61 |
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You just wrote "I don't believe that *the* Jews have any right to self-determination qua Jews" |
shira |
Nov-30-11 03:06 AM |
#70 |
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No, I'm unenthusiastic about the Palestinian's *national* self-determination. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Nov-30-11 08:05 AM |
#97 |
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so your justifying the creation of a dictatorship... |
pelsar |
Nov-30-11 10:15 AM |
#101 |
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Do you acknowledge that Israel does not grant Palestinians the right you describe? |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Nov-30-11 08:08 AM |
#98 |
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Palestinians within Israel are guaranteed those rights by law. One great thing about Israel... |
shira |
Nov-30-11 11:58 AM |
#105 |
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Ooh, there's a nice sidestep. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Dec-01-11 11:17 AM |
#153 |
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Of course they have those rights, every bit as much as minorities in the UK and US have those rights |
shira |
Dec-01-11 11:32 AM |
#155 |
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by law?...of course not |
pelsar |
Dec-06-11 03:31 PM |
#272 |
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By and large, yes |
shaayecanaan |
Nov-29-11 06:08 PM |
#45 |
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Well then WRT Israel vs. the USA, let's see if you agree... |
shira |
Nov-29-11 08:15 PM |
#55 |
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Yes, no, no and yes. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Nov-29-11 08:34 PM |
#59 |
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Donald, you said let's not deny Israel is right when it's right... |
shira |
Nov-30-11 03:11 AM |
#71 |
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'doesn't defund schools that don't whitewash the Nakba' |
LeftishBrit |
Dec-09-11 04:59 PM |
#297 |
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You've got to be kidding about US schools |
oberliner |
Dec-09-11 06:30 PM |
#299 |
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Depends on how you pick your cherries... |
shaayecanaan |
Nov-29-11 11:28 PM |
#65 |
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From that post, what can you admit that Israel does right? n/t |
shira |
Nov-30-11 03:12 AM |
#72 |
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While Israel and the US differ markedly, singing their praises can't defend their actions... |
Violet_Crumble |
Nov-30-11 03:14 AM |
#73 |
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So what does Israel do right? Name 3-5 things, please. NT |
shira |
Nov-30-11 04:13 AM |
#79 |
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That's easy... |
Violet_Crumble |
Nov-30-11 04:25 AM |
#81 |
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Thank you. I must say I'm impressed you could easily admit to those 5 things. |
shira |
Nov-30-11 04:53 AM |
#83 |
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Shame you can't supply a few good things about Palestine... |
Violet_Crumble |
Nov-30-11 04:58 AM |
#86 |
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I gave you one positive. That's one more than you're able to supply. |
shira |
Nov-30-11 05:41 AM |
#89 |
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I supplied you with a list of five positive things about Israel... |
Violet_Crumble |
Nov-30-11 06:03 AM |
#90 |
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And I supplied you with an answer to your question in post #75, in which you asked for 1-2 things. |
shira |
Nov-30-11 06:27 AM |
#91 |
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It'd help if you got someone to read the posts yr replying to for you... |
Violet_Crumble |
Nov-30-11 06:36 AM |
#92 |
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IOW, you've got nothing. Thanks. n/t |
shira |
Nov-30-11 07:51 AM |
#95 |
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Israel should be supported and lauded for its good things in opposition to anti-zionists... |
shira |
Nov-29-11 11:40 AM |
#18 |
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Failure to hate evil is immoral |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Nov-29-11 07:22 PM |
#52 |
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Then the Left is immoral for failing to hate evil Palestinian leadership... |
shira |
Nov-29-11 07:32 PM |
#54 |
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No, you've missed something so obvious I suspect you haven't genuinely missed it at all. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Nov-29-11 09:10 PM |
#63 |
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How can you not hate Hamas and the PA for their evil treatment of women, children, gays... |
shira |
Nov-30-11 03:54 AM |
#77 |
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just for fun.... |
pelsar |
Nov-30-11 07:44 AM |
#93 |
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"With all due respect to an enlightened but inferior lexicographer, |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Dec-01-11 11:09 AM |
#151 |
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i beg to differ..your former doesn't even exist.... |
pelsar |
Dec-03-11 08:07 AM |
#221 |
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No, I don't give a damn about tribal identity. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Dec-03-11 10:29 AM |
#226 |
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but you do.... |
pelsar |
Dec-03-11 02:22 PM |
#235 |
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Please stop trying to tell me what I believe; claiming telepathy just makes you look foolish. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Dec-03-11 03:21 PM |
#241 |
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i'm just noting your own contradictions.... |
pelsar |
Dec-05-11 03:35 PM |
#256 |
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My pop psychology tells me you hate Zionism for other reasons. |
King_David |
Nov-30-11 09:54 PM |
#123 |
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Really what would they be or does your pop psychology |
azurnoir |
Nov-30-11 11:38 PM |
#131 |
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Donald gets it. |
King_David |
Dec-01-11 11:24 PM |
#179 |
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Of course. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Dec-01-11 11:15 AM |
#152 |
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"What gets to me most is...faulty chains of reasoning. That Zionism is wrong is merely a fact". |
shira |
Dec-01-11 11:51 AM |
#156 |
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That Zionism is wrong is merely a fact; |
pelsar |
Dec-01-11 02:17 PM |
#161 |
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''Liberal'' Case? Horsebleep |
USA_1 |
Nov-29-11 06:21 AM |
#2 |
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"Nothing in that racist, terrorist state reflects true liberalism nor can it be defended by way of.. |
shira |
Nov-29-11 11:18 AM |
#16 |
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See Beit-Hallahmi |
USA_1 |
Nov-29-11 03:30 PM |
#31 |
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You didn't answer me, so once again since Israel is far ahead of the USA on many liberal issues... |
shira |
Nov-29-11 05:26 PM |
#41 |
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USA's Rank in this regard is irrelevant |
USA_1 |
Nov-29-11 08:26 PM |
#57 |
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LOL, says "USA_1". Remember that saying about people and glass houses? |
shira |
Nov-29-11 08:29 PM |
#58 |
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Nice Try at Obfuscation |
USA_1 |
Nov-29-11 08:50 PM |
#60 |
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So you concede the USA is far less liberal/progressive than Israel. Thanks for the admission. NT |
shira |
Nov-30-11 03:36 AM |
#76 |
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Ho Hum |
USA_1 |
Nov-30-11 11:13 AM |
#102 |
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Maybe you don't realize it, but you were the one making the claim that Israel is in no way... |
shira |
Nov-30-11 12:08 PM |
#106 |
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''Israel, however, is arguably even more liberal/progressive although you won't admit it'' |
USA_1 |
Nov-30-11 07:11 PM |
#118 |
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Gay rights, death penalty, healthcare, more socialist, much more self critical media... |
shira |
Nov-30-11 08:11 PM |
#119 |
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Majalli Wahabi, filled in as President of Israel for a day or so in early 2007 |
azurnoir |
Nov-30-11 11:31 PM |
#130 |
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The comparison was between the US and Israel. Israel's ahead of the US on everything mentioned. |
shira |
Dec-01-11 04:40 AM |
#141 |
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oh well of course Israel is more progressive than almost any country on Earth except......... |
azurnoir |
Dec-01-11 09:50 AM |
#148 |
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You didn't answer the question, why? Between the USA and Israel... |
shira |
Dec-01-11 12:49 PM |
#157 |
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But israel is a single state. |
Shaktimaan |
Dec-01-11 12:27 AM |
#135 |
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''two seperate nations'' |
USA_1 |
Dec-03-11 01:43 PM |
#230 |
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ha! |
Shaktimaan |
Nov-30-11 03:26 AM |
#74 |
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Einstein did support Zionism |
USA_1 |
Nov-30-11 11:17 AM |
#103 |
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So he disliked the Irgun... |
Shaktimaan |
Nov-30-11 12:16 PM |
#107 |
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Israel's Apologists Are Working Full Time on this Thread |
USA_1 |
Nov-30-11 02:26 PM |
#114 |
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yeah, well... |
Shaktimaan |
Nov-30-11 02:47 PM |
#116 |
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''You'll likely be gone before the week's out.'' |
USA_1 |
Nov-30-11 09:04 PM |
#120 |
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I strongly disagree... |
Violet_Crumble |
Dec-01-11 12:39 AM |
#136 |
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The OP isn't about stifling criticism of Israel's occupation, but rather a response... |
shira |
Dec-01-11 05:03 AM |
#143 |
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No, it isn't. He doesn't say that anywhere in the article... |
Violet_Crumble |
Dec-02-11 06:17 PM |
#200 |
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There's nothing in the OP that hints at stifling criticism due to Israel's progressive nature |
shira |
Dec-02-11 10:35 PM |
#204 |
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Of course there is. Maybe you should try reading the OP? |
Violet_Crumble |
Dec-02-11 11:07 PM |
#205 |
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And once again you failed to address the fear Israelis have of pulling out of the WB... |
shira |
Dec-03-11 05:47 AM |
#210 |
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That'd be because I didn't know that was being demanded of me... |
Violet_Crumble |
Dec-03-11 06:20 AM |
#212 |
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Apparently you don't think much of the vast majority of Israelis terrified of rockets... |
shira |
Dec-03-11 06:57 AM |
#213 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Dec-03-11 07:17 AM |
#214 |
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You still can't and won't empathize with the vast majority of Israeli with legit fears... |
shira |
Dec-03-11 07:37 AM |
#215 |
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I empathise with them every bit as much as I do with Palestinian fears... |
Violet_Crumble |
Dec-03-11 07:48 AM |
#216 |
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You do realize UNSCR242 never states the occupation is illegal, right? n/t |
shira |
Dec-03-11 07:51 AM |
#217 |
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I don't recall saying it was, so how about focusing on what I actually did say? n/t |
Violet_Crumble |
Dec-03-11 07:57 AM |
#218 |
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Since it's not illegal, Israel is legally justified in continuing it. |
shira |
Dec-03-11 08:00 AM |
#219 |
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Yet again you don't bother to read what yr replying to... |
Violet_Crumble |
Dec-03-11 08:06 AM |
#220 |
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It's a legal occupation that is allowed to last until a just peace is negotiated. |
shira |
Dec-03-11 08:13 AM |
#222 |
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Yet again you don't bother to read what yr replying to... |
Violet_Crumble |
Dec-03-11 08:24 AM |
#223 |
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You must've missed the part in UNSCR242 which requires withdrawal based on negotiated peace... |
shira |
Dec-03-11 08:36 AM |
#224 |
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Yeah, that'd be because it's not there... |
Violet_Crumble |
Dec-03-11 03:38 PM |
#242 |
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It must be difficult for you keeping your stories straight... |
shira |
Dec-03-11 05:25 PM |
#243 |
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Not really. I think it's more yr unable to comprehend simple arguments... |
Violet_Crumble |
Dec-03-11 06:21 PM |
#244 |
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One thing at a time, about the occupation... |
shira |
Dec-03-11 06:59 PM |
#245 |
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That's lovely and all, but you still haven't explained *why* you want the Occupation to end... |
Violet_Crumble |
Dec-03-11 08:38 PM |
#248 |
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I want the occupation to end... |
shira |
Dec-05-11 11:32 AM |
#253 |
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Someone who held that view wouldn't try arguing that the Occupation was moral... |
Violet_Crumble |
Dec-05-11 02:02 PM |
#254 |
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When did I ever say that? I've argued it's legal... |
shira |
Dec-05-11 02:55 PM |
#255 |
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Only about twenty or so posts back... |
Violet_Crumble |
Dec-06-11 04:05 AM |
#260 |
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Good catch, you're right. But is it more moral to maintain the occupation... |
shira |
Dec-06-11 06:56 AM |
#261 |
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There's nothing moral about the Occupation, and no-one who opposed it would claim it was... |
Violet_Crumble |
Dec-07-11 03:36 AM |
#274 |
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And there you go deflecting once again... |
shira |
Dec-07-11 03:48 AM |
#275 |
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Ah, so pointing out that you admire a blatant Islamophobe is 'deflecting'? |
Violet_Crumble |
Dec-07-11 04:17 AM |
#276 |
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Rubin is not an Islamophobe. Read that article again... |
shira |
Dec-07-11 04:42 AM |
#277 |
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He most certainly is. Read the link I provided with his quotes... |
Violet_Crumble |
Dec-07-11 04:57 AM |
#278 |
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No he's not. Anyone with reading comprehension ability can see the problem he's describing... |
shira |
Dec-07-11 05:34 AM |
#279 |
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He most certainly is. Read the link I provided with his quotes... |
Violet_Crumble |
Dec-07-11 05:58 AM |
#280 |
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Why is it so difficult for you to detach yourself from disgusting, vile organizations... |
shira |
Dec-07-11 06:10 AM |
#281 |
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Try to focus on what the discussion's about instead of deflecting... |
Violet_Crumble |
Dec-09-11 12:55 AM |
#290 |
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Your neo-nazi source is not credible. Reports were a state was offered on 60% of the land. |
shira |
Dec-09-11 10:57 AM |
#294 |
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More deflection and evasion from you. No surprises there! |
Violet_Crumble |
Dec-09-11 04:32 PM |
#296 |
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If you're really interested in discussing sources, I'm more than happy to do so with you... |
shira |
Dec-09-11 06:25 PM |
#298 |
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I've already pointed out in detail Rubin's Islamophobia. Don't need you for that... |
Violet_Crumble |
Dec-10-11 02:59 PM |
#309 |
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Nonsense. You went off someone else's cherry picking Rubin out of context... |
shira |
Dec-11-11 11:57 AM |
#310 |
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Note How the Israeli Apologist Ignore the Truths in the Videos |
USA_1 |
Dec-01-11 11:27 AM |
#154 |
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Videos from Neturei Karta nuts who love Iran's Ahmanidiot? Oooo, convincing! n/t |
shira |
Dec-01-11 01:38 PM |
#159 |
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Here's Another Convincing Video By Yet Another Israeli |
USA_1 |
Dec-01-11 04:13 PM |
#169 |
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No, that's just filth from a very vile individual heavily involved with extremely hateful SOBs... |
shira |
Dec-01-11 06:21 PM |
#172 |
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So wait... |
Shaktimaan |
Nov-30-11 03:07 PM |
#117 |
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One more thing... |
Shaktimaan |
Nov-30-11 12:29 PM |
#108 |
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''You haven't said anything here to remotely challenge any of those specific examples.'' |
USA_1 |
Nov-30-11 09:11 PM |
#121 |
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He 'creamed' you without trying. |
King_David |
Nov-30-11 09:40 PM |
#122 |
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do you really want an israeli to reply? |
pelsar |
Dec-01-11 06:28 PM |
#173 |
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"Feel free to criticize Israel when it's wrong. But let's not fail to celebrate it when it's right". |
shira |
Nov-29-11 06:50 AM |
#3 |
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No, let's not celebrate it even when it's right. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Nov-29-11 09:22 AM |
#7 |
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Basically everything written here is also incorrect |
oberliner |
Nov-29-11 09:43 AM |
#9 |
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Did I say that? N.T. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Nov-29-11 10:08 AM |
#13 |
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you forgot something... |
pelsar |
Nov-29-11 09:55 AM |
#10 |
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What plan? Hamas'? |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Nov-29-11 10:11 AM |
#14 |
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Donald, do you believe Israel should immediately end the occupation and risk allowing all Israel... |
shira |
Nov-29-11 11:28 AM |
#17 |
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Yes. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Nov-29-11 01:15 PM |
#20 |
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Why do you think less violence would result vs. Israel if the occupation ended now? |
shira |
Nov-29-11 02:25 PM |
#21 |
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reading the future are we? |
pelsar |
Nov-29-11 02:46 PM |
#24 |
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good clear explanation.....good to read... |
pelsar |
Nov-30-11 01:31 AM |
#66 |
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No, that's an outright lie; I said the exact opposite of that. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Nov-30-11 07:46 AM |
#94 |
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i probably should add..why it won't work... |
pelsar |
Nov-30-11 02:54 AM |
#68 |
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The Israeli left is vestigial at best. |
Donald Ian Rankin |
Nov-30-11 07:54 AM |
#96 |
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you should ask rather than make assumptions.... |
pelsar |
Nov-30-11 08:32 AM |
#99 |
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Laughable Propaganda |
USA_1 |
Nov-29-11 10:01 AM |
#11 |
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Operation Moses (1985) and Operation Solomon (1991). Look it up. |
shira |
Nov-29-11 11:06 AM |
#15 |
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ah yes the famed and much touted 'rescue' of Sudanese and Ethiopian Jooz |
azurnoir |
Nov-29-11 02:55 PM |
#26 |
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Yes, evil Israel deserves zero credit for anything. Seemingly positive things are really negative. |
shira |
Nov-29-11 03:00 PM |
#27 |
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Facts do seem to disturb you? n/t |
azurnoir |
Nov-29-11 03:45 PM |
#33 |
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That pretty much sums up yr track record when it comes to Palestinians... |
Violet_Crumble |
Nov-30-11 03:34 AM |
#75 |
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Not at all. In fact, I asked you several months ago to name a few issues in which the PA... |
shira |
Nov-30-11 04:11 AM |
#78 |
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Bullshit. I've never seen you say anything positive about Palestine... |
Violet_Crumble |
Nov-30-11 04:15 AM |
#80 |
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It's funny you're asking me to list positive things about Palestine when you're unable to do so. |
shira |
Nov-30-11 04:51 AM |
#82 |
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I'm unable to do what?? Yr not making any sense... |
Violet_Crumble |
Nov-30-11 04:56 AM |
#84 |
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You're unable to list positive things about Palestine. I gave you one thing... |
shira |
Nov-30-11 04:58 AM |
#85 |
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WTF are you babbling about now? I asked *you* the question... |
Violet_Crumble |
Nov-30-11 05:03 AM |
#87 |
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Maybe your friends here can help you list 3-5 positive liberal/progressive things about Palestine... |
shira |
Nov-30-11 05:40 AM |
#88 |
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just love the demonizations don't you....just can't quit |
pelsar |
Nov-29-11 03:21 PM |
#29 |
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No I pointed out the 'ending' of the story seems you do not want that part told? n/t |
azurnoir |
Nov-29-11 03:47 PM |
#34 |
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its only when one demonizes does one tell only part |
pelsar |
Nov-29-11 06:31 PM |
#48 |
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No amount of logic or facts can penetrate those who demonize Israel. I cannot recall even once... |
shira |
Nov-29-11 05:06 PM |
#38 |
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... after YEARS of Supporting Apartheid |
USA_1 |
Nov-29-11 03:29 PM |
#30 |
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What are you blathering on about ? |
azurnoir |
Nov-29-11 03:49 PM |
#35 |
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Nov-29-11 04:31 PM |
#36 |
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sorry I misunderstood your intent |
azurnoir |
Nov-29-11 04:53 PM |
#37 |
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you choose....which one? |
pelsar |
Nov-29-11 06:39 PM |
#49 |
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ah you added details not in comment but are you saying the Israeli government allowed African |
azurnoir |
Nov-30-11 02:47 PM |
#115 |
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try again....your not doing so well, but i have some advice |
pelsar |
Dec-01-11 12:03 AM |
#133 |
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No I once again I point to the fallacies in your own post |
azurnoir |
Dec-01-11 12:47 AM |
#137 |
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it sounds foolish when your caught with only half of the story.... |
pelsar |
Dec-01-11 02:03 AM |
#140 |
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ah so now I'm Hamas or a Hamas mouthpiece/reporter? |
azurnoir |
Dec-01-11 08:12 AM |
#145 |
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i can't always tell the difference..... |
pelsar |
Dec-01-11 09:51 AM |
#149 |
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well now I did say that it was possible that |
azurnoir |
Dec-01-11 02:46 PM |
#164 |
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Nov-29-11 08:25 PM |
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'even though my ancestry is Jewish ' |
King_David |
Nov-30-11 10:00 PM |
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''How about your best friends? Jewish?'' |
USA_1 |
Nov-30-11 10:58 PM |
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Quote of the day - "Are you a paid Israeli agent"? 'Nuff said. n/t |
shira |
Nov-29-11 05:18 PM |
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You are basically quoting a famous man: 'Either you are with us or you are with the terrorists' |
LeftishBrit |
Nov-29-11 06:44 PM |
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Another clueless post. |
King_David |
Nov-30-11 10:08 PM |
#126 |
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Hardly I've learned much on those subjects from you |
azurnoir |
Dec-01-11 09:53 AM |
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Mr Miller seems to think that Hamas represents all Palestinians |
azurnoir |
Nov-29-11 02:45 PM |
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73% of West Bank Palestinians support the Hamas charter. What does that mean to you? |
shira |
Nov-29-11 03:02 PM |
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Thanks the poll was the one done by Republican strategist Frank Luntz's The Israel Project |
azurnoir |
Nov-29-11 03:43 PM |
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A poll that you always neglect to say was conducted along with a Palestinian polling firm... |
shira |
Nov-29-11 05:13 PM |
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well TIP needed some Arabic speakers and it did supposedly give them an 'air' of legitimacy |
azurnoir |
Nov-29-11 05:31 PM |
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You'd think if it were such a crap poll, PCPO and Stan Greenberg would have said something... |
shira |
Nov-29-11 05:46 PM |
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So the poll means nothing even though Stan Greenberg and the PCPO conducted the survey? |
shira |
Nov-29-11 05:28 PM |
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I think the fact that less than 1/3 of Palestiians polled support Hamas |
azurnoir |
Nov-29-11 06:14 PM |
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Those 2 issues aren't one and the same. Supporters of the Democratic platform... |
shira |
Nov-29-11 06:23 PM |
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that's a pretty thin excuse Democrats that vote Republican aren't Democrats |
azurnoir |
Nov-30-11 02:22 PM |
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Oh I see the Rainbow Flag ( Translate :Gay Flag) |
King_David |
Nov-30-11 10:05 PM |
#125 |
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I do know however that being Gay is not illegal in the West Bank |
azurnoir |
Nov-30-11 11:56 PM |
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That's the whole story? That being gay is not illegal in the West Bank? You're whitewashing... |
shira |
Dec-01-11 04:52 AM |
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well why don't you tell dear your aching to aren't you |
azurnoir |
Dec-01-11 06:55 AM |
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Let's see, all you have to say about GLBTs in the West Bank is that it's not illegal being gay? |
shira |
Dec-01-11 09:01 AM |
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Got nothin huh well nuthin but your usual accusations about what people think ? thanks n/t |
azurnoir |
Dec-01-11 09:45 AM |
#147 |
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Here's a WIKI entry on LGBT rights in the Palestinian territories... |
shira |
Dec-01-11 12:54 PM |
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oh the wiki entry that sites the group who has in the past associated with......... |
azurnoir |
Dec-01-11 02:08 PM |
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You can't advocate for LGBT rights in the OPT or criticize the PA, can you? |
shira |
Dec-01-11 02:22 PM |
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What exactly is your purpose here shira ? |
azurnoir |
Dec-01-11 02:40 PM |
#163 |
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You keep defending the treatment of Gays in the West Bank |
King_David |
Dec-01-11 11:53 PM |
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I support Palestinian Gay Rights advocate Haneen Maikey, do you? |
azurnoir |
Dec-02-11 08:46 AM |
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Like 2 peas in a pod, Maikey doesn't see anything liberal/progressive in Israel either... |
shira |
Dec-02-11 11:10 AM |
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Oh you mean she doesn't support the occupation got it |
azurnoir |
Dec-02-11 02:07 PM |
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Ugh. Shameful. n/t |
shira |
Dec-02-11 02:10 PM |
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yes I would agree it is a complete fraud |
azurnoir |
Dec-03-11 01:24 PM |
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Yes, she's a complete fraud - more interested in demonizing Israel that helping gays in Palestine |
shira |
Dec-03-11 01:48 PM |
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she mentions none of those things in the article |
azurnoir |
Dec-03-11 02:07 PM |
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A quick 2 second google search shows she's for BDS, which calls for 1 state, full RoR, etc. |
shira |
Dec-03-11 02:15 PM |
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Many support BDS but not all support all the things you claim |
azurnoir |
Dec-03-11 02:19 PM |
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Right, like many who support the BNP, KKK, or Hamas but not all the things they call for. |
shira |
Dec-03-11 02:23 PM |
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yes you are and your comparing both Palestinian Gays who support BDS to the KKK is beyond the pale |
azurnoir |
Dec-03-11 02:27 PM |
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BDS calls for the end of Israel. And when Schulman/Maikey say Israel only pretends 2 have gay rights |
shira |
Dec-03-11 02:30 PM |
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well that would be a point if Ms Schulman or Ms Maikey had actually said those thing so let's review |
azurnoir |
Dec-04-11 05:08 PM |
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What is with those Scandanavian countries? |
oberliner |
Dec-03-11 02:26 PM |
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also you dodged my question shir what is your purpose here ? |
azurnoir |
Dec-02-11 02:12 PM |
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Why don't you just answer me first, from #157 above. I have a 4 word answer for you... |
shira |
Dec-02-11 02:16 PM |
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well actually I did answer you in post #148 however |
azurnoir |
Dec-02-11 02:27 PM |
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You didn't answer specifically in #148 or in the post I'm responding to now... |
shira |
Dec-02-11 03:32 PM |
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actually you asked and I answered you do not like the answer it seems |
azurnoir |
Dec-02-11 11:16 PM |
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Just a simple yes or no. Overall, is Israel more liberal/progressive than the USA? |
shira |
Dec-03-11 05:53 AM |
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I say that anybody that minimizes or |
King_David |
Dec-03-11 08:58 AM |
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You must've missed the memo, Dave. Human rights in the mideast are used.. |
shira |
Dec-02-11 11:24 AM |
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You do not know WTF your talking about (again ) |
King_David |
Dec-01-11 05:21 PM |
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you quote from an article that is demeaning Palestinian Gays for supporting BDS untill Israel ends |
azurnoir |
Dec-03-11 01:31 PM |
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Bottom Line ... |
USA_1 |
Nov-30-11 11:18 AM |
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Why is it so important for you to portray Israel in the most negative way possible... |
shira |
Nov-30-11 12:41 PM |
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More Horsebleep |
USA_1 |
Nov-30-11 02:23 PM |
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This is just so stupid. |
Shaktimaan |
Dec-01-11 12:50 AM |
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Stupidity is Denying the Value of integration & Democracy |
USA_1 |
Dec-01-11 10:18 PM |
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You know what I like about this idea? |
Shaktimaan |
Dec-02-11 01:17 AM |
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''Once everyone is dead it'll probably be very peaceful.'' |
USA_1 |
Dec-02-11 10:43 AM |
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Shakti, this guy says your arguments are the same as the KKK. And to think I thought you were OK... |
shira |
Dec-02-11 11:20 AM |
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yeah, you keep saying that, |
Shaktimaan |
Dec-01-11 03:04 PM |
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''single example'' |
USA_1 |
Dec-01-11 10:21 PM |
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No, I read it last night actually. |
Shaktimaan |
Dec-02-11 12:54 AM |
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Dec-02-11 08:45 PM |
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Yeah, I don't know about those... |
Shaktimaan |
Dec-02-11 11:27 PM |
#207 |
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You may check his bibliography |
USA_1 |
Dec-03-11 08:21 PM |
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THE PROGRESSIVE CASE FOR ISRAEL, THE ARABS, AND THE GLOBAL COMMUNITY. |
shira |
Nov-30-11 02:14 PM |
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Progressive Value:ONE STATE SOLUTION |
USA_1 |
Nov-30-11 02:24 PM |
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So that is what "progressive" means. |
aranthus |
Nov-30-11 10:24 PM |
#127 |
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Ain't Democracy Grand? |
USA_1 |
Nov-30-11 10:58 PM |
#129 |
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Your point has nothing to do with democracy. |
aranthus |
Dec-01-11 03:44 PM |
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That's what Southern Segregationists Said |
USA_1 |
Dec-01-11 10:16 PM |
#175 |
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the opposite? |
Shaktimaan |
Dec-02-11 01:42 AM |
#183 |
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Has Segregation Worked In Israel & Palestine? |
USA_1 |
Dec-02-11 08:47 PM |
#203 |
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Israeli Government Tells Israelis Not to Marry American Jews |
USA_1 |
Dec-03-11 08:46 PM |
#249 |
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so you deny that Jews already have their own country in Israel? Thanks I never knew |
azurnoir |
Dec-01-11 12:20 AM |
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Of course not. I thought the point was very clear, but I will explain it. |
aranthus |
Dec-01-11 03:41 PM |
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Thank You Aranthus |
USA_1 |
Dec-01-11 04:11 PM |
#168 |
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You have no cause to thank me. |
aranthus |
Dec-01-11 05:20 PM |
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Democracy Works |
USA_1 |
Dec-01-11 10:14 PM |
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It has a good track record thus far. |
Shaktimaan |
Dec-02-11 08:54 AM |
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It usually works better than other systems |
LeftishBrit |
Dec-02-11 10:58 AM |
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There again.. |
LeftishBrit |
Dec-02-11 10:44 AM |
#189 |
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I wish you could communicate that to the settlers and their enablers. |
Crunchy Frog |
Dec-02-11 07:22 PM |
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I agree that my comments apply as much to the RW settlers as the anti-Zionists |
LeftishBrit |
Dec-03-11 04:02 AM |
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Settlers and their enablers are the ones who are doing the MOST |
Crunchy Frog |
Dec-04-11 12:59 AM |
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Still Waiting For Proof There Is A Liberal Case For Israel |
USA_1 |
Dec-01-11 10:22 PM |
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I'm willing to. |
Shaktimaan |
Dec-02-11 02:01 AM |
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That's the OP's Job to Do |
USA_1 |
Dec-02-11 10:41 AM |
#187 |
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the fallacy of group think as an the feeble mind |
pelsar |
Dec-03-11 12:24 AM |
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''feeble minded types'' |
USA_1 |
Dec-03-11 01:37 PM |
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did i quote you correctly? |
pelsar |
Dec-03-11 02:25 PM |
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"feebleminded" was your term, not mine |
USA_1 |
Dec-03-11 08:15 PM |
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yes i used feebleminded to describe those who believe in groupthink |
pelsar |
Dec-05-11 03:41 PM |
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'feebleminded ... group think' |
USA_1 |
Dec-05-11 07:37 PM |
#258 |
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feeble minds also attempt to change the subject.... |
pelsar |
Dec-05-11 11:14 PM |
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''change the subject'' |
USA_1 |
Dec-06-11 08:20 AM |
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Israel is more liberal than the USA on these issues... |
shira |
Dec-06-11 09:25 AM |
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Repeats |
USA_1 |
Dec-06-11 02:37 PM |
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Discrimination isn't institutional. All citizens of Israel have guaranteed equal rights by law. |
shira |
Dec-06-11 02:54 PM |
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Your friend Hillary Doesn't Quite agree |
USA_1 |
Dec-07-11 07:46 AM |
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Great response from the article you cited... |
shira |
Dec-07-11 12:58 PM |
#284 |
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ok..heres the proof... |
pelsar |
Dec-06-11 12:03 PM |
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lol. n/t |
shira |
Dec-06-11 02:13 PM |
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lololololol |
USA_1 |
Dec-06-11 02:39 PM |
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yes i admit your case has been made.....oh. and the earth is flat....plus |
pelsar |
Dec-06-11 03:47 PM |
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You mentioned, if Israel is liberal then they'd have affirmative action for the little guy... |
shira |
Dec-06-11 02:13 PM |
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What's the Liberal Case For: "Don't Marry American Jews" |
USA_1 |
Dec-04-11 04:35 PM |
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Anyone??? |
USA_1 |
Dec-06-11 02:40 PM |
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Still Waiting .... |
USA_1 |
Dec-07-11 07:47 AM |
#283 |
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Waiting for what? Israel pulled the ads. Tell me, what's the liberal case for America... |
shira |
Dec-07-11 01:09 PM |
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WTF? |
USA_1 |
Dec-08-11 07:49 AM |
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LOL. Pathetic. And you're wondering why people aren't responding to you? |
shira |
Dec-08-11 09:04 AM |
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''Israel has universal healthcare.'' Paid by USA Dollars |
USA_1 |
Dec-09-11 09:44 AM |
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Miraculous: Test Tube Testes Developed by Arab Scientist |
shira |
Dec-06-11 09:35 AM |
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Still Waiting ... |
USA_1 |
Dec-08-11 07:51 AM |
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How many times does it have to be proven to you? There are many examples in the threads above... |
shira |
Dec-08-11 09:18 AM |
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Your "Paradise" - financed By OUR Dollars |
USA_1 |
Dec-09-11 09:45 AM |
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Terrorism From Paradise |
USA_1 |
Dec-09-11 10:00 AM |
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In other words, you realize Israel is liberal but you hate Israel regardless... |
shira |
Dec-09-11 11:46 AM |
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More Trouble In Paradise |
USA_1 |
Dec-10-11 09:52 AM |
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You are 100% wrong. Israel needs to be taken over by the UN and changed to Palestine |
BanTheGOP |
Dec-09-11 10:15 PM |
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The Democratic party supports Israel 100 % |
King_David |
Dec-10-11 01:08 AM |
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The post is just ... not from the real world |
LeftishBrit |
Dec-10-11 09:24 AM |
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No I don't think so either but what 'world' produced this |
azurnoir |
Dec-10-11 10:46 AM |
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'tis the season for fruitcakes. n/t |
aranthus |
Dec-10-11 01:52 PM |
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A One State Government Is the Only Solution |
USA_1 |
Dec-10-11 09:55 AM |
#305 |
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if only the un had done what? |
Shaktimaan |
Dec-14-11 01:55 AM |
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Free Republic called and wants to know why you haven't cashed the check yet. |
Mosby |
Dec-10-11 11:46 AM |
#307 |