Reply #60: please respond to my posts below before responding to this one

[shira]

you know, the ones about how the West is "way more" ethical than Israel....and about whether you are the occupied or occupier in Nicosia, Cyprus?

You clearly need to read up on your Zionist history!... At the 1903 Sixth Zionist Congress, there was much debate as to whether Uganda or Palestine should be the Jewish Homeland...At the 1905 Seventh Zionist Congress (Basel), it was agreed to rule out anywhere but Palestine as the object for Zionism.

exactly...and the Ottomans had been ruling for 4 centuries with no signs of letting up, so it's silly to maintain from the beginning that the "zionists" had some grand scheme of displacing the indigenous people of that area....they would have to go through the brutal Turkish Empire first - which would be suicidal. It's silly to maintain that the earliest "zionists" had ill intent.

Do, please, read what I write before you accuse me of false assertions…I merely suggested that Palestinians (NOT regional Arabs) would probably be less hostile if Israel had ceased its occupation 40 years ago (ie shortly after the occupation of the West Bank)

Israel tried at Khartoum. Remember the 3 no's? Read up on your history.

Why do you insist on lumping them together with African and Asian immigrants?

you're the one calling Israel racist so I brought up Africans and Asians as well as Hispanics and non-Palestinian Arabs. There's nothing racist about Israel's policies.

I have already answered that question:… Like any other state, Israel has an obligation to allow refugees to return to their homes.

What legal obligation have other countries to absorb refugees created during Israel’s wars?
Most refugees are allowed back to their place of birth…You have only given me one example so far (Czechoslovakia) and that is no longer true....What do you mean by “…all other refugees from far back in history”?

Either you're ignorant of history or deliberately disingenuous.

- 300,000 turkish muslims pressured to leave bulgaria in the 80's....where's their right of return...being from Nicosia, Cyprus you should be aware of these recent events.

- balkan wars of 1912-15, some 600,000 bulgarians, greeks, and turks were displaced...no right of return....again, being from Nicosia Cyprus, this is something you may already be familiar with.

- during/after ww2, hundreds of thousands of serbs, hungarians, and bulgarians displaced....no right of return.

- after ww2, over 1 million poles and ukranians switched over in a population swap...no right of return

- due to ww2, some 12-16 million ethnic germans tossed out of the Sudetenland, Romania, Hungary and Poland...no right of return

- hundreds of thousands of serbs, croats, and albanians displaced from croatia of the 90's....still unresolved.

- india/pakistan, some 14 million refugees swapped...none who have refugee status today, no right of return

- within the last 20 years, some 700,000 armenian muslims still languish in Azerbaijan refugee camps.

- millions fleeing Sudan recently for Chad.

- finally, 200 thousand ethnic Greeks moved to the Greek side of Cyprus, the same Cyprus you apparently live in today. where's your outrage at that?

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why can't you admit that Pal'n refugees remain in that status due to regional Arab wishes to destroy Israel by flooding them with these refugees? what else could be the reason for Pal'n leadership not using their BILLIONS in aid to house refugees from gaza and the w.bank the past 15 years?

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I asked: ….“Why does Israel do this?...Is it simply to ensure that the Jewish race remains dominant in Israel?”
You replied:…. “Yeah, that's it”
A rather grudging admission, but I am pleased to know that you now accept that the Law of Return is racial discrimination.

That was sarcasm, genius.

So would you have voted in favor of the 1939 british white paper? Yes or No?
Yes – but I would also have voted against the 1924 US Immigration Act which limited Jewish immigration to the USA.

but by 1939, there wasn't an option to repeal the 1924 US immigration act. You'd have therefore sentenced hundreds of thousands of jews to their fate in death camps.

nice.

Now a question for you:...Would you have voted for the Israeli legislation that allowed Israelis to build settlements in the West Bank after 1967?

No.

And the clearly expressed wishes of the indigenous inhabitants of Palestine didn’t matter?...When they rioted in protest, that was not due to the Zionists forcing themselves onto Palestine?......

which of the indigenous protested fiercely? those encouraged by al-Hussayni and his freak patrol?

Did your “International concensus” take any account of the conclusions of the 1920 US King-Crane Commission report?:

that Int'l consensus was 1922, League of Nations, 2 years after the King-Crane Com. report.