Reply #51: still no solution....still the preference remains....

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what i am wrting about, and it should be clear by now.....that by condeming every israeli response to the rockets as "collective punishment"....and if the IDF were to listen to that.....the PRACTICAL end result is letting israelis be killed and the israeli govt doing nothing about it.

and yes when israel responds it is in fact 'collective punishment" since there is no PRACTICAL way of finding the shooters who hide behind civilians. The technology simply doesnt exist.

you write a lot about "refining methods, new methods, new alternatives".....thats being done constantly and dont forget for every israeli new method the shooters do exactly the same...they find new methods, new alternatives to hide deeper within the civilians.

but all that is mere talk...the simple fact is, the impossibility of not hitting civilians is precisely why they shoot from behind apt buildings.

whenever theres a complaint about the IDF methods....it seems no alternatives (realistic, practical, existing today never come up.).

so the problem remains, and as you mentioned, "you dont have any solutions" (there are no hidden angles, thats a cop out).

I'll make is simple: There are no methods today of locating and killing people who hide within a hostile population, who shoot from behind that same population without hurting the people around...that is the situation today, as it exists...no magic solutions, no force fields, no beaming down.....simple guns and bombs and missles.....thats it.

which leaves israel with two alternatives:

1) do nothing and let israelis be killed because that alternative is better than the second

2) IDF retaliates attempting to limit civilian causulties..which is precisely what its been doing for the last 30+ years and not always succeeding, because that is precisly what the shooters are attempting to do.

your either support 1 or 2......

(condeming 2 without providing an alternative is by default preference for no 1)




no i dont think civilian causalites with the palestenians are just fine.....i also however dont believe in sitting around letting myself and family be killed because this is only the 21st century and technology has its limitations....more so...seems to me the guilty party are those who do the shooting and those of the PA who do nothing to stop the shooters. But that is not the issue here, the issue is "can the IDF be "allowed to protect the country" given the limitations of technologies and the ability of the shooters to hide or is everything it does "illegal and a war crime" and consequently it should do nothing....with the obvious preference of having israelis killed.

those are the consequences....its really that simple, no hidden secrets here.