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friendly_iconoclast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-10 08:52 AM
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29. I must say, your reply was very nicely parsed.
Edited on Wed Aug-25-10 08:53 AM by friendly_iconoclast
Yes, he supports some reasonable restrictions as a majority of American gun owners do.


The sharp-eyed reader will notice that you don't actually state the "reasonable restrictions" the President supports are
one and the same as the "reasonable restrictions....a majority of American gun owners do."

However, any restriction are not tolerated by some gun zealots,...


Which zealots? Examples of same would be appreciated. Even the Gun Owners of America (who hold the NRA to be a bunch of
accomodationist sellouts) support some restrictions. I doubt you'll find anyone aside from some fringe-y libertarians
expressing this viewpoint.

....reasonable and with-in the bounds of the 2nd are not allowed.


Again, some examples would be nice. I have to say that, from what I've seen (YMMV), objections to gun laws have always
hinged on them not being "reasonable and with-in the bounds of the 2nd".

Some gun laws are both Constitutional and unreasonable - 'approved' lists and magazine size restrictions being foremost...








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  - Name one "Pro gun" piece of legislation he's signed n/t  shadowrider   Aug-24-10 05:26 AM   #2 
     - Credit Card Bill  one-eyed fat man   Aug-24-10 07:43 AM   #5 
     - And transporting firearms on Amtrak  Euromutt   Aug-24-10 08:18 AM   #6 
     - That does not count  safeinOhio   Aug-24-10 08:20 AM   #7 
     - Put another quarter in the jukebox  one-eyed fat man   Aug-24-10 11:28 AM   #10 
     - Prior to 1982?  DissedByBush   Aug-24-10 07:40 PM   #18 
     - The Wicker Amendment and the Coburn Amendment  bluestateguy   Aug-24-10 12:33 PM   #11 
        - Zealots are not interested  safeinOhio   Aug-24-10 01:53 PM   #15 
           - Do you actually believe...  PavePusher   Aug-24-10 08:05 PM   #19 
              - I'd say yes he would have.  safeinOhio   Aug-24-10 08:22 PM   #20 
                 - Well, his previous voting history on firearms legislation...  PavePusher   Aug-24-10 10:15 PM   #22 
                    - He represented Illinois and its' voters,  safeinOhio   Aug-24-10 10:35 PM   #23 
                    - Unless you can stop projecting your baseless assumptions on me....  PavePusher   Aug-24-10 11:38 PM   #24 
                    - "Supporting the 2nd Amendment" is a malleable term...  Euromutt   Aug-24-10 11:54 PM   #25 
                       - My response was to  safeinOhio   Aug-25-10 07:08 AM   #26 
                          - Reasonable restrictions  oneshooter   Aug-25-10 07:16 AM   #27 
                          - May not sound reasonable to you, but this does to  safeinOhio   Aug-25-10 02:27 PM   #38 
                             - What's Luntz's company motto again?  X_Digger   Aug-25-10 02:43 PM   #41 
                             - My bad  safeinOhio   Aug-25-10 06:53 PM   #49 
                                - Same Luntz Push Poll..  X_Digger   Aug-25-10 06:57 PM   #50 
                                - I agree with the poll you posted  safeinOhio   Aug-25-10 07:26 PM   #54 
                                   - Nice quibbling.  X_Digger   Aug-25-10 07:39 PM   #55 
                                      - Of course lutz is nuts  safeinOhio   Aug-25-10 08:32 PM   #59 
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                                         - I did my mia culpa  safeinOhio   Aug-25-10 08:56 PM   #62 
                                         - Lump disparate things together as though it proves whatever you like..  X_Digger   Aug-25-10 09:05 PM   #63 
                                         - Your killing me here  safeinOhio   Aug-25-10 10:03 PM   #64 
                                         - On second thought  safeinOhio   Aug-25-10 10:06 PM   #65 
                                         - Fine, then let me quote..  X_Digger   Aug-25-10 10:21 PM   #66 
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                                   - Of those questions, which might violate the  safeinOhio   Aug-25-10 07:22 PM   #52 
                                      - "Due Process"  PavePusher   Aug-25-10 07:25 PM   #53 
                                         - You'll have to refresh my memory  safeinOhio   Aug-25-10 07:44 PM   #56 
                                            - The "Do not fly" lists...  PavePusher   Aug-25-10 08:25 PM   #58 
                                            - I'm talking about the only restriction  safeinOhio   Aug-25-10 08:36 PM   #60 
                                            - I know that this is a diversion from the current topic  jazzhound   Aug-26-10 01:54 AM   #69 
                                            - I think you've got a case of mistaken identity there, jazzhound  Euromutt   Aug-26-10 03:56 AM   #72 
                                            - Thank you, Euromutt...............  jazzhound   Aug-26-10 11:13 AM   #76 
                             - That is, at best, evidence of one thing  Euromutt   Aug-26-10 03:42 AM   #71 
                          - I must say, your reply was very nicely parsed.  friendly_iconoclast   Aug-25-10 08:52 AM   #29 
                          - see post 38  safeinOhio   Aug-25-10 02:30 PM   #39 
                             - Read it. And the replies thereto, and all the links given.  friendly_iconoclast   Aug-25-10 08:02 PM   #57 
                                - I'd add that using popularity to define rights has resulted in Proposition 8, for instance.  friendly_iconoclast   Aug-26-10 11:52 AM   #79 
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                             - Stealth marketing requires one to soft-pedal the message,....  friendly_iconoclast   Aug-26-10 01:27 PM   #80 
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