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Tue Aug-18-09 07:11 AM
Response to Reply #10 |
| 16. I have no problem with people owning guns |
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I don't have a problem with people open carrying guns. However when it is at a political rally, especially a contentious one such as these no health care/hate Obama rallies, well I have a huge problem with people carrying. It's just utter stupidity and insanity.
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| -So, we're willing to spill more blood on the Altar of the Sacred Second Amendment. |
MadHound |
Aug-18-09 05:38 AM |
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"potential for insanity"? It's already present. |
DrDan |
Aug-18-09 05:43 AM |
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I agree, which is even more reason not to allow this sort of stupidity to go on |
MadHound |
Aug-18-09 05:47 AM |
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Jim Cooper - D congressman was on Hardball last night |
DrDan |
Aug-18-09 05:53 AM |
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Too bad Gerald Ford is not around to comment on this |
Kolesar |
Aug-18-09 05:44 AM |
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Or hell, even Reagan for that matter. n/t |
MadHound |
Aug-18-09 05:48 AM |
#4 |
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James Brady, then? |
Kolesar |
Aug-18-09 06:07 AM |
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Or we could get Robert and John Kennedy and Reverend King... |
kentuck |
Aug-18-09 06:22 AM |
#7 |
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lol. you have it backwards |
paulsby |
Aug-19-09 05:09 AM |
#59 |
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Hey! Stop using facts! It confuses the grabbers. |
rd_kent |
Aug-20-09 02:20 PM |
#120 |
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That's a stupid statement |
rl6214 |
Aug-21-09 09:29 PM |
#187 |
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Heard a moran commenting about the Guns in Bars bills.... |
Patiod |
Aug-18-09 06:32 AM |
#8 |
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Even in places where a firearm is allowed in a bar... |
brendan120678 |
Aug-18-09 06:40 AM |
#11 |
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That doesn't mean jack. Make it legal to have a gun in a bar some will feel empowered |
kenny blankenship |
Aug-18-09 07:00 AM |
#14 |
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If they are willing to break the law... |
gorfle |
Aug-18-09 09:32 AM |
#23 |
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false false false |
paulsby |
Aug-19-09 05:13 AM |
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But it IS illegal in WA to be in possession of a firearm in public while "under the influence" |
Euromutt |
Aug-20-09 03:56 AM |
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Tell it to #8. |
gorfle |
Aug-20-09 10:18 AM |
#111 |
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self-delete; dupe n/t |
krispos42 |
Aug-18-09 11:03 AM |
#34 |
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I doubt it |
krispos42 |
Aug-18-09 11:03 AM |
#35 |
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false. where do you do your legal research |
paulsby |
Aug-19-09 05:12 AM |
#60 |
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Correct, but... |
Euromutt |
Aug-20-09 04:16 AM |
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it is always still illegal to consume alcohol while carrying a firearm. |
GunGuyinPA |
Aug-23-09 02:27 PM |
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Most of New York has always allowed guns in bars. I haven't heard of too many |
jmg257 |
Aug-18-09 01:12 PM |
#50 |
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So orphans can't have guns? |
Tangerine LaBamba |
Aug-19-09 06:11 PM |
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You don't actually know what the laws say, do you? n/t |
PavePusher |
Aug-20-09 12:02 PM |
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It's NOT guns in BARS, it's GUNS IN RESTURANTS. |
Testament |
Aug-20-09 05:20 PM |
#154 |
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WTF |
rl6214 |
Aug-21-09 09:31 PM |
#188 |
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. . . |
proud2BlibKansan |
Aug-18-09 06:35 AM |
#9 |
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Yeah, I think the time is coming soon when we have to |
jimlup |
Aug-18-09 06:37 AM |
#10 |
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I have no problem with people owning guns |
MadHound |
Aug-18-09 07:11 AM |
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You want a civil war? |
gorfle |
Aug-18-09 09:34 AM |
#24 |
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I have to admit |
jimlup |
Aug-18-09 10:47 AM |
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It can when the 1st-world-government is under attack from within |
krispos42 |
Aug-18-09 11:00 AM |
#32 |
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In all my examples... |
gorfle |
Aug-18-09 11:20 AM |
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But all those you want to exclude from consideration just prove that armed resistance CAN |
Matt 6_5 |
Aug-19-09 04:53 PM |
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modern warfare does kinda change the game... |
jimlup |
Aug-19-09 05:03 PM |
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Well, I'm under no illusions (delusions?) that I could personally defeat |
Matt 6_5 |
Aug-19-09 06:09 PM |
#85 |
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Yeah, I think what I wonder about is what if... |
jimlup |
Aug-19-09 08:48 PM |
#90 |
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I'm reminded of a |
rrneck |
Aug-19-09 11:43 PM |
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See asymetrical warfare. |
beevul |
Aug-19-09 10:25 PM |
#95 |
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I wish more thought like you... |
fedupinhouston |
Aug-19-09 11:07 PM |
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Re: My natural instinct is to conclude that an armed citizen is bad thing |
GunGuyinPA |
Aug-23-09 02:21 PM |
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Two points. |
Statistical |
Aug-18-09 10:03 AM |
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It takes 3/4, not 2/3. |
GreenStormCloud |
Aug-21-09 03:17 PM |
#186 |
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You don't bring on DU. |
proteus_lives |
Aug-19-09 04:23 PM |
#72 |
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The vast, vast, majority right here on DU completely disagree |
pipoman |
Aug-19-09 09:26 PM |
#91 |
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Only if soon is defined as... |
fedupinhouston |
Aug-19-09 11:04 PM |
#98 |
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Uh, any other parts of the Constitution we should "put an end" to? |
rd_kent |
Aug-20-09 02:23 PM |
#121 |
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face/palm |
armyowalgreens |
Aug-21-09 04:51 AM |
#176 |
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Right. |
H2O Man |
Aug-18-09 06:54 AM |
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interesting |
fascisthunter |
Aug-19-09 04:31 PM |
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If Lee Harvey Oswald had been discovered with his rifle |
Canuckistanian |
Aug-18-09 06:57 AM |
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No, back in those saner days he would have been hustled off for questioning, at the very least |
MadHound |
Aug-18-09 07:09 AM |
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Of course not. |
gorfle |
Aug-18-09 09:35 AM |
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Permits arent required for a rifle... |
fedupinhouston |
Aug-19-09 11:10 PM |
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Was anyone within shooting range? |
Shrek |
Aug-18-09 07:34 AM |
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Anywhere within a half mile to a mile is too close, sorry n/t |
MadHound |
Aug-18-09 07:48 AM |
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Why a half a mile why not 20 miles, or 100 miles, or 10,000 miles? n/t |
Statistical |
Aug-18-09 07:58 AM |
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Anything over a half mile to a mile is an impossible shot with ordinary firearms n/t |
MadHound |
Aug-18-09 12:05 PM |
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You know how many potential residences there could be within a half mile. |
Statistical |
Aug-18-09 12:42 PM |
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utter idiocy |
paulsby |
Aug-19-09 05:21 AM |
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What is your definition of ordinary firearms? |
armyowalgreens |
Aug-21-09 05:01 AM |
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I think I'm getting it now. Are you talking about hand guns? |
armyowalgreens |
Aug-21-09 05:15 AM |
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So the Secret Service should.... |
krispos42 |
Aug-18-09 11:06 AM |
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Shouldn't that be within half a mile and with a clear line of sight? |
cherokeeprogressive |
Aug-19-09 06:31 PM |
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So say I live with 1/2 mile of a Presidential event... |
spin |
Aug-19-09 10:34 PM |
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There are rifles with an effective range of 1.15 miles (6000+ feet) |
armyowalgreens |
Aug-21-09 04:59 AM |
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I think people are forgetting that scopes can decrease that range for a gun and |
AlinPA |
Aug-19-09 04:39 PM |
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Yes, we are. |
billyoc |
Aug-18-09 07:40 AM |
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I trust the Secret Service. |
Statistical |
Aug-18-09 07:56 AM |
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exactly |
paulsby |
Aug-19-09 05:23 AM |
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True. |
proteus_lives |
Aug-19-09 04:25 PM |
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IT IS CONSTITUTIONAL LAW. |
gorfle |
Aug-18-09 09:23 AM |
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The first amendment is constitutional law as well... |
W_HAMILTON |
Aug-19-09 11:04 AM |
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Do you know a lot of people with howitzers in their garages? |
Matt 6_5 |
Aug-19-09 04:54 PM |
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And the limits on the 2nd |
rd_kent |
Aug-20-09 02:26 PM |
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In the gun-worshipers' view, guns have more Constitutional protections than people. |
baldguy |
Aug-18-09 09:37 AM |
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A gun walked to the event by it's self? Now that would be news. n/t |
Statistical |
Aug-18-09 10:04 AM |
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The way some gun-worshipers act, you'd think so. |
baldguy |
Aug-18-09 10:18 AM |
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Who are these gun-worshipers of whom you speak? |
fedupinhouston |
Aug-19-09 11:16 PM |
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Guns are the ultimate Constitutional protection OF the people. |
gorfle |
Aug-18-09 11:22 AM |
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You think guns provide protection of rights? Horseshit. |
GaYellowDawg |
Aug-18-09 11:52 AM |
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You might want to check with... |
gorfle |
Aug-18-09 12:17 PM |
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Really? You might want to check in with David Koresh. |
GaYellowDawg |
Aug-18-09 01:17 PM |
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A handful of revolutionaries does not a revolution make. |
gorfle |
Aug-18-09 03:18 PM |
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Their governments don't have advanced weapons, big jets, bombers, nukes. |
AlinPA |
Aug-19-09 04:45 PM |
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The USSR and the US did and got their asses handed to them....eom |
pipoman |
Aug-19-09 09:44 PM |
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You may wish to do some math... |
fedupinhouston |
Aug-19-09 11:18 PM |
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No, a well regulated militia is the ultimate security for a free state. |
baldguy |
Aug-18-09 12:04 PM |
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I have protested it for a long time. |
gorfle |
Aug-18-09 12:19 PM |
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You DO realize |
billh58 |
Aug-18-09 01:32 PM |
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Rights don't just go away. |
Statistical |
Aug-18-09 01:43 PM |
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Nice try, but I |
billh58 |
Aug-18-09 02:09 PM |
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Waving a gun in someone is already a crime called brandishing. n/t |
Statistical |
Aug-18-09 02:20 PM |
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LOL! |
billh58 |
Aug-18-09 02:44 PM |
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i love these illogical arguments |
paulsby |
Aug-19-09 05:26 AM |
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I am NOT |
billh58 |
Aug-19-09 04:20 PM |
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Yes it is illogical |
fedupinhouston |
Aug-20-09 10:22 AM |
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Wow! |
billh58 |
Aug-20-09 05:26 PM |
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Im not saying you should automatically trust... |
fedupinhouston |
Aug-21-09 12:24 AM |
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Just to point out a |
billh58 |
Aug-21-09 02:46 PM |
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I guess we need to give up all public demonstrations... |
PavePusher |
Aug-20-09 12:36 PM |
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Yep, |
billh58 |
Aug-20-09 05:14 PM |
#152 |
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Oh well... |
PavePusher |
Aug-20-09 10:20 PM |
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I'm sure that you're |
billh58 |
Aug-20-09 11:14 PM |
#170 |
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How do i say this... |
fedupinhouston |
Aug-21-09 12:30 AM |
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We are in |
billh58 |
Aug-21-09 02:50 PM |
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Hmmmm................. |
Israfel4 |
Aug-20-09 04:46 PM |
#146 |
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After some 200 years... |
gorfle |
Aug-19-09 10:42 AM |
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I realize that you |
billh58 |
Aug-19-09 04:54 PM |
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Question: |
gorfle |
Aug-20-09 10:21 AM |
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Isn't that |
billh58 |
Aug-20-09 01:47 PM |
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So you saw no threat to any of your freedoms from the former administration? |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-20-09 03:56 PM |
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Of course I |
billh58 |
Aug-20-09 04:00 PM |
#130 |
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That's often the argument made here against gun ownership. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-20-09 04:08 PM |
#132 |
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Since when |
billh58 |
Aug-20-09 04:41 PM |
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Who is talking about a right to carry in public? That is a state issue. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-20-09 04:46 PM |
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Who waved a gun in your face? Did you have them arrested? |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-20-09 03:50 PM |
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Oh my... |
billh58 |
Aug-20-09 04:07 PM |
#131 |
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Another accusation, let me guess. No proof for this one either. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-20-09 04:12 PM |
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And I |
billh58 |
Aug-20-09 04:28 PM |
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I never accused you of wanting to get rid of anything. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-20-09 04:35 PM |
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As I suspected, we |
billh58 |
Aug-20-09 04:43 PM |
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Just getting to know each other it is to be expected. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-20-09 04:48 PM |
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And I |
billh58 |
Aug-20-09 04:55 PM |
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Get back to me when the NRA publicly advocates the dissolution of the military. |
baldguy |
Aug-18-09 03:24 PM |
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Oh for fuck's sake... |
fedupinhouston |
Aug-21-09 12:33 AM |
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Oh Lord. IMO, that's insane. YES, the NG serves "the people." |
ShortnFiery |
Aug-19-09 10:48 AM |
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I'm thinking they probably dress up their guns. |
gatorboy |
Aug-19-09 10:45 AM |
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Guns have no constitutional protections... |
fedupinhouston |
Aug-19-09 11:14 PM |
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The secret service isn't allowing people with guns in shooting range of the President. |
Fire_Medic_Dave |
Aug-18-09 10:49 AM |
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## PLEASE DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ## |
DU GrovelBot |
Aug-18-09 11:00 AM |
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This is a matter for the President and the people who protect him. |
aikoaiko |
Aug-18-09 11:45 AM |
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Is this maybe the death knell for the 2nd amendment |
Bragi |
Aug-18-09 12:11 PM |
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"large gathering, political, social sports" In most states people already can. |
Statistical |
Aug-18-09 12:49 PM |
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Let's hope they don't start showing up at Steelers-Browns / Packers-Bears games. |
AlinPA |
Aug-19-09 04:43 PM |
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dumb analogy |
paulsby |
Aug-20-09 03:02 AM |
#105 |
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Set up a "right to carry arms" zone... |
Contrary1 |
Aug-18-09 12:23 PM |
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One news report stated the most recent carry was in the "protest zone" |
Statistical |
Aug-18-09 12:51 PM |
#49 |
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Really? |
PavePusher |
Aug-20-09 12:45 PM |
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Those zones already exist. |
rd_kent |
Aug-20-09 03:47 PM |
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Have a gun with 1/2 mile of the president - go to jail |
yodoobo |
Aug-19-09 10:56 AM |
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So the President is at an event 1/2 mile from my home.... |
spin |
Aug-19-09 10:59 PM |
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"22 mm rifles"? |
Euromutt |
Aug-20-09 06:24 AM |
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As an FYI long range 22lr target shooting is a blast.... |
BigBluenoser |
Aug-20-09 04:42 PM |
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Oh sure; so is 9mm |
Euromutt |
Aug-21-09 03:00 PM |
#185 |
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"SS" huh? Which country is this again? |
AtheistCrusader |
Aug-21-09 03:32 AM |
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Actually, the A-10's gun is 30mm |
Euromutt |
Aug-22-09 11:53 PM |
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I can only assume that a 22 mm rifle has an effective range of several miles... |
armyowalgreens |
Aug-21-09 05:11 AM |
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You just had to one-up the guy with the 20 mm rifle, didn't you? |
slackmaster |
Aug-23-09 02:33 PM |
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2nd Amendment was the founders biggest mistake..the damn thing ought to be repealed!!!... |
S_E_Fudd |
Aug-19-09 10:58 AM |
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+1 nt |
Critters2 |
Aug-19-09 04:27 PM |
#74 |
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I don't believe |
billh58 |
Aug-19-09 06:28 PM |
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Err, I don't think that word means what you think it means.. |
X_Digger |
Aug-19-09 07:55 PM |
#89 |
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From Wikipedia & Findlaw |
billh58 |
Aug-19-09 09:57 PM |
#93 |
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The full sentence.. |
X_Digger |
Aug-20-09 08:05 AM |
#110 |
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"Definitions" are |
billh58 |
Aug-20-09 01:19 PM |
#118 |
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Again.. tenuous at best. |
X_Digger |
Aug-20-09 03:15 PM |
#124 |
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Sigh... |
billh58 |
Aug-20-09 03:42 PM |
#125 |
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Gawd.. |
X_Digger |
Aug-20-09 04:43 PM |
#143 |
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Okay |
billh58 |
Aug-20-09 04:50 PM |
#148 |
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A completely incorrect understanding of the Constitution. |
gorfle |
Aug-20-09 04:45 PM |
#144 |
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Maybe we are reading two |
billh58 |
Aug-20-09 04:54 PM |
#149 |
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Perhaps you could quote the portion... |
gorfle |
Aug-20-09 06:59 PM |
#163 |
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The Preamble to |
billh58 |
Aug-20-09 08:27 PM |
#164 |
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That's not the preamble. |
gorfle |
Aug-21-09 09:49 AM |
#181 |
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If you will read my |
billh58 |
Aug-21-09 02:01 PM |
#182 |
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Do you realize... |
fedupinhouston |
Aug-20-09 12:12 PM |
#115 |
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That's for your contribution, Mr. Fudd |
slackmaster |
Aug-23-09 02:33 PM |
#196 |
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Thank you. We have to remember that Constitutional rights are dependent on |
Matt 6_5 |
Aug-19-09 04:41 PM |
#77 |
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Oh, FFS. |
cliffordu |
Aug-19-09 05:21 PM |
#84 |
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No armed person other than Secret Service and police have been allowed within shooting range |
slackmaster |
Aug-19-09 10:06 PM |
#94 |
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Contrary to your beliefs, the Secret Service is supremely capable |
benEzra |
Aug-20-09 07:05 AM |
#109 |
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Isn't democracy great? |
Euromutt |
Aug-20-09 03:04 PM |
#123 |
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"I don't give a damn about states' rights,etc." Well, I guess that ends the debate right there then |
rd_kent |
Aug-20-09 03:45 PM |
#126 |
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Potential? |
billh58 |
Aug-20-09 04:14 PM |
#134 |
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How about the potential |
rd_kent |
Aug-20-09 04:39 PM |
#138 |
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But |
billh58 |
Aug-20-09 05:06 PM |
#151 |
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This is where we differ I guess |
rd_kent |
Aug-20-09 05:18 PM |
#153 |
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I don't get that, either.. |
X_Digger |
Aug-20-09 05:28 PM |
#156 |
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Yes, they |
billh58 |
Aug-20-09 05:44 PM |
#157 |
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See, our differences are not so far apart. |
rd_kent |
Aug-20-09 06:10 PM |
#158 |
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And I |
billh58 |
Aug-20-09 06:24 PM |
#159 |
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Bit of a straw man there.. |
X_Digger |
Aug-20-09 06:36 PM |
#160 |
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I have seen |
billh58 |
Aug-20-09 06:49 PM |
#161 |
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Never dull in the gungeon :) n/t |
X_Digger |
Aug-20-09 06:54 PM |
#162 |
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Presence |
FirstAmerican |
Aug-20-09 04:23 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Aug-20-09 04:41 PM |
#139 |
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Bush had a no fly zone... |
tbyrd |
Aug-20-09 09:17 PM |
#165 |
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There actually is.. |
X_Digger |
Aug-20-09 09:25 PM |
#166 |
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I believe that |
billh58 |
Aug-20-09 09:54 PM |
#167 |
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Yup, it's federal law.. |
X_Digger |
Aug-20-09 10:35 PM |
#169 |
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Are you concerned about blood being spilled on the altars of the other amendments? |
Euromutt |
Aug-21-09 04:36 AM |
#175 |
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In before the typical peni drivel |
Tejas |
Aug-21-09 11:32 PM |
#189 |
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It's "penes," if you want the Latin plural |
Euromutt |
Aug-22-09 04:15 AM |
#190 |
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Actually, the fact that the police didn't |
chrisa |
Aug-23-09 11:19 AM |
#192 |
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