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The genius of concealed carry of handguns is that would-be murders remain uncertain as to who is armed and who isn't. This is true for everyone interested in being as safe as they can be from future violence, because it comes to the realization of specific unalterable realities: you're on your own.

This week some Southern California Church Leaders came to that very same conclusion, and took up a position advocating not only a very discreet security presence of professionals, but also took the advice of their consultants and adopted the policy of advocating concealed carry of handguns among the congregation.

Realities are the core of solving the problem of church violence, and having the stomach to face those realities and to meet them. For too long, employers, churches, schools and others have said many different ways that they are sad to see things have to come to this, but this is a trap which serves not the people, but the killers. Fifteen Southern California church leaders refused to fall into that trap, and they sought out expert advice. It involves concealed carry of handguns in church, and they took it. Yes, concealed carry of handguns by the members who come to worship.



http://www.examiner.com/x-2323-LA-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y...


Note: California is a "may issue" state:

U.S. states such as California and New York give wide latitude to the county authorities in issuing permits. In California, the usual issuance of the permits ranges from a no-issue policy, such as San Francisco, to an almost shall-issue environment in the rural areas. Iowa has a similar distribution, but unlike California, most counties have lenient policies as most counties are rural. There is a strong movement in Iowa to change the system to shall-issue due to the nature of a county-by-county system. Recently in California a bill was introduced in the state assembly that would, if passed, make California a shall-issue state.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concealed_carry_in_the_Uni...
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  -Southern California churches and concealed carry... spin  Jun-23-09 03:52 PM   #0 
  - Saw this in a gun related message board yesterday. In MY church  Hoopla Phil   Jun-23-09 04:01 PM   #1 
  - There is about a 99% you won't need a gun at church.  Tim01   Jun-23-09 04:14 PM   #2 
  - woo hoo! math!  iverglas   Jun-23-09 06:07 PM   #11 
     - It's a joke. Chill out. nt  Tim01   Jun-23-09 07:30 PM   #13 
     - Probably needs a few more decimal places..  AtheistCrusader   Jun-24-09 01:40 PM   #23 
  - Guns + religion = perfect combination of delusion  katandmoon   Jun-23-09 04:42 PM   #3 
  - While it may be delusion, people have a right to practice their....  spin   Jun-23-09 05:20 PM   #7 
  - Yeah, if you really want to shoot up a congregation ...  damntexdem   Jun-23-09 04:59 PM   #4 
  - Any statistics to back up your claim? EOM  patriotvoice   Jun-23-09 05:21 PM   #8 
     - yoo hoo!!  iverglas   Jun-23-09 06:08 PM   #12 
  - religion has killed billions of people, so why not? nt  msongs   Jun-23-09 05:03 PM   #5 
  - Might discourage people from attending or it might eliminate a number of them.  FiveGoodMen   Jun-23-09 05:20 PM   #6 
  - On the other hand it might help to eliminate church shootings...  spin   Jun-23-09 05:28 PM   #9 
     - I wonder if this is actually the case. I just don't know.  Tim01   Jun-23-09 08:17 PM   #16 
     - True, it's hard to predict the result...  spin   Jun-23-09 11:46 PM   #19 
        - It has to be attractive to know nobody will shoot back.  Tim01   Jun-25-09 04:12 PM   #31 
           - oh yes indeed  iverglas   Jun-25-09 05:13 PM   #33 
              - I'll spell it out for you.These are not fantasies you silly thing.  Tim01   Jun-25-09 07:58 PM   #35 
                 - You think?  iverglas   Jun-25-09 08:21 PM   #36 
                    - Well, I'm pretty sure you don't have any idea what you are talking about.  Tim01   Jun-25-09 08:54 PM   #37 
     - yes, because these mass murders plan to go home  iverglas   Jun-24-09 05:51 PM   #25 
        - Your last sentence is an accurate appraisal...  spin   Jun-25-09 02:27 PM   #26 
           - so then we are left  iverglas   Jun-25-09 03:07 PM   #28 
              - There have been documented cases where a concealed weapon...  spin   Jun-25-09 04:06 PM   #30 
                 - I assume you own many rabbits feet  iverglas   Jun-25-09 05:10 PM   #32 
                    - To be honest...  spin   Jun-25-09 07:19 PM   #34 
  - all of a sudden I'm seeing a lot of this "Examiner" thingy  iverglas   Jun-23-09 06:05 PM   #10 
  - Interesting...  spin   Jun-23-09 08:05 PM   #15 
     - do you really?  iverglas   Jun-23-09 08:37 PM   #17 
        - The comment was...  spin   Jun-23-09 11:40 PM   #18 
           - so ...  iverglas   Jun-24-09 10:48 AM   #20 
              - I've recently seen some commercials here in the states...  spin   Jun-24-09 01:11 PM   #22 
  - I go to a Unitarian church.Everybody knows I carry, nobody cares. nt  Tim01   Jun-23-09 07:40 PM   #14 
  - forgive me  iverglas   Jun-24-09 05:46 PM   #24 
     - I do what I do. The fact that you don't believe me is irrelevant. Feel free to have the last word. n  Tim01   Jun-25-09 03:05 PM   #27 
  - I have a problem...  jeepnstein   Jun-24-09 11:18 AM   #21 
  - Comparing the number of shootings in "gun free" zones  JonQ   Jun-25-09 03:58 PM   #29 
 

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