Reply #135: Inalienable.

[gorfle]

A person who is killed in an act of self-defence may not have got due process, but s/he has not lost the RIGHT to due process.

Then why do you keep clubbing us pro-self-defense folks over the head for the loss of the victim's due process and not respecting "all" of the Bill of Rights?

Inalienable. Say it after me. I-n-a-l-i-e-n-a-b-l-e. What the right to life is.

Just like the right to keep and bear arms is, by the way.

Allowing the use of force in self-defence is a violation of the right to due process. A JUSTIFIED violation.

Well if is justified, why do you keep clubbing us over the head for it as if we somehow support the 2nd amendment but not the rest of the Bill of Rights?

You will maintain your strange narrow constructions of concepts relating to rights, and you and your fellow citizens will go on suffering the consequences. Your GLBT siblings will be unable to marry, because it isn't plain as day to the rest of you what equal protection of the law and liberty mean (or at least nobody will admit it). Your sisters will go on suffering interference in and denial of their reproductive rights, because it isn't plain as day to the rest of you what the right to life and liberty and not to be deprived thereof without due process means (or at least nobody will admit it). Etc. etc. etc.

I don't see what shooting violent criminals caught in the act has to do with gay marriage, which I support, or reproductive rights, which I also support.

Although I would be pleased as punch if someday you all did join us here in the 21st century.

As much as you may not like it, the concepts I espouse are very much a part of 21st century culture and society.