Reply #34: Denying freedoms to some is no better than denying freedom to all

[hydrashok75]

In fact if you would read my posts you would see that I have said more than once that I do NOT think the government should be taking people's guns away.
Unless you think they're "assault weapons" (a term you haven't defined yet). :eyes:

But you seem to think because I do not think exactly like you do that I must want to take away everyones guns. Well that is completely misrepresenting my position.

You said you support denying us CCW and denying us certain types of rifles. Sorry, but you do want to deny us some freedoms we enjoy.

I find ridiculous that the NRA people assume that all these people who are going to be carrying concealed weapons truly are responsible gun owners

Why? Every state that's studied this has found that CCW permit holders are more law abiding than the general public. People who are irresponsible with guns are going to be that way whether it's legal to carry or not. Lack of CCW permit didn't stop Mark David Chapman or John Hinckley. Bad people will bad no matter--the only question is whether we take freedom away from all the good people because of a few bad ones. To me, THAT is where the insanity is to be found, the idea that me and the other 80mil law abiding Americans who own guns should be denied the freedom to choose because of a few bad apples.

From listening to the NRA members talk I can tell you I think they are the LAST people I would want carrying a gun to "protect me" from the criminals.

Here you go again. All that negative stereotyping (without any real substantiation). I see your arguments keep boiling down to personal attacks on us gun owners.

So rather than asking me how I am going to stop people from carrying concealed weapons maybe you should ask yourself, what are you going to do to ensure that everyone who carries a loaded gun in public is always going to use that weapon responsibly?

If you use a weapon irresponsibly, you go to JAIL for a very long time, that's how.

It's like asking how I can make sure everyone with a driver's license will behave responsibly. I can't of course, but I don't take the freedom to drive away from everyone because a small fraction misbehaves.

Look, we have CCW permits in about 40 states give or take, and it hasn't been a problem in any of them. People who are going to commit crimes with guns aren't going to go through a permitting process to do it.

The bottom line--the people you don't want carrying aren't going to bother getting permits, and the people who do get permits aren't the people you need to worry about.