Reply #37: You'd be right, except...

[safeinOhio]

"No, unless your can demonstrate better results than states that don't do it."

Only possible if you were to compare based on demographics that are the same. In other words, you can't prove they don't work.


"Better background checks on CCW permits

Longer more intense training for CCW permits."

No. Demonstrably not a problem, and would be used by some locales merely to make it more difficult to obtain CCW permits
by the already law abiding. Examples: DC, New York, and Boston, with other examples from other DUers.


Just a few days ago there was a mass murder in Florida by a CCW holder that had spent time in Jail in Cuba and all of his relatives knew he was a nut case.



"Mandatory reporting of all missing and stolen guns."

No, as those already proposed are unnecessarily Draconian.

Not draconian at all, already the law in many states. You'd be a fool or a crook(straw sales) to not report a missing handgun and any crime with it could then be pinned on you. Actually it makes sense.



"Registration of all handguns and only handguns."

No. Do I have to use the terms "California SKS confisaction" and "New Orleans" again?


California was only on a type of long gun, I said handguns. In both cases it was just a blimp and reversed by courts. In the big picture they were very rare events, illegal and statistically insignificant. Yet the number of crimes and murders using unregistered handguns is huge. Your chances of being the victim of an unregistered handgun are vastly more likely than ever having a gun confiscated by Federal or state governments. That is a statistical fact.


"Greater use of "conflict resolution" classes in CCW classes."

Why? CCW holders are already good at conflict avoidance.

In just the last 3 months or so, in just the Detroit Free Press alone there have 3 stories of CCW holders shooting people out of anger and not self defense. One for a road rage event, another for shooting at a fleeing person in a car jacking and a third involved an off duty rent a cop that chased down an unarmed man that was in his backyard and shot him. Now that is just in one city. If you get to use antidotal information, like 2 cases of confiscation over 50 years, it'd be fair to allow me 3 antidotes from less than 1 year in just one city.


"Better (more $ spent) on FBI surveillance of hate groups and domestic terrorist groups."

Which usually turn out to be 'people the current administration and/or the FBI don't like'
IOW, "Got COINTELPRO?"
What rights were you looking to preserve, again?

Two of the Hutaree members were charged with additional crimes yesterday in Federal court. You might remember that they were planning on ambushing a Lenawee cop and killing him. Then they were going to mow down another 100 at the funeral. Yes it can be abused and yes it can save many innocent lives.


"A national gun violence list, like those for sex offenders."

Unneeded, as it already exists as a subset of the current law enforcement intranet.


Now when a sex crime is reported the police check all known sex offenders in the area. They have the names and current addresses. It is a fact that many gun violence offenders are repeat offenders, just like sex offenders.



And again, how are new restrictions on the law abiding going to hinder terrorists, when they've been perfectly willing
to rob National Guard armories and gun stores in the past?

In the past many terrorist types, both foreign and domestic have purchased guns from sources that these type of laws could curtail.


But thanks for spending the time to think about it.:toast: