Reply #46: nah

[iverglas]

The problem arises when people who want to Save other peoples Souls, or Lives, or Save the World are simply unwilling to accept the fact that some people don't want their Souls / Lives Saved, nor the World Saved according to the "Saver" morality.

The real problem arises when someone chooses to characterize a group, and a lot of individuals, that worked their asses off to win protection for women and children from the brutality and poverty they suffered, and to get the vote for women, and schools and other services for children, and peace on the international level, as people who wanted to save other people's souls.

But pardon me -- what exactly might be wrong with wanting to save other people's lives? I thought that was what all the Big Daddies hereabouts with their Big Guns were dedicated to doing ...

Oh, I see. You're talking about the poor castrated men whose lives you think these women were trying to save.

Yeah. It's all about men, alla time.

You musta bin reading this. It's an odd one.

http://www.ccel.us/missingfromaction.ch1.html

The Forgotten Male

... In most measurable ways, believe it or not, the stresses of modern life seem far more damaging to men than to women.

Look at substance abuse. Who is it who is trying to mask their pain with drugs and alcohol? According to government statistics, the rates of arrests for alcohol and drug use are considerably higher in the male population. Five times more men than women are charged with drug abuse. For every woman arrested for drunkenness, more than nine men will be incarcerated. When someone gets cited for driving under the influence, almost nine times out of ten, the person behind the wheel is a guy.

and the usual yada yada blah blah about how hard men have it. But despite all their troubles with the demon rum and the devil weed, men are still the victims when women take action.

http://www.ccel.us/missingfromaction.ch7.html

Wine, Women, and Psalm

... The accepted gender image of the Victorian male as a spiritually inferior agent, no longer capable of being responsible for the moral climate of home and society, made him powerless to resist the assault of a moral crusade aimed directly at him. What started out as a legitimate attempt to protect homes by curbing existing abuse ended up as an implicit crusade against masculinity. And when the smoke cleared, men were more emasculated than ever before.

There is no doubt about it — in nineteenth-century America, irresponsible male drinking was on the increase. With all the pressures, stress, and personal anxiety arising from the loss of patriarchy and the rise of industrialization, men began to spend more and more time in the taverns. To them, the tavern increasingly became a refuge from the humiliation of being under their wives' moral guidance at home.

Poor, poor, poor emasculated men. And yet, funny thing, it was women and children getting beaten and becoming homeless, and women who had no economic or social or political rights and so were unable to protect themselves and their children against the violence or poverty ...


What the issues of Alcohol, Tobacco, Cannabis, et al, and Guns all share is not a question of danger they present, rather it is a moral conflict between two polar opposite ideologies.

Nah, but I'll tell you what they do share. They form the foundations of the You Aren't The Boss Of Me school of sociopolitical "thought". That will be the junior kindergarten. Adults usually move on to a rather more advanced school of thought, which is one that involves recognizing that one is not the centre of the universe, as people with normal personalities do by about the age of three.