Nederland
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Tue Oct-26-10 02:29 PM
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The paper basically looks at the cost projections of future projects and places those projections "in the context of the history of the nuclear industry with a database of the costs of 100 reactors built in the U.S. between 1971 and 1996." The assumption that the past will repeat itself is exactly that, an assumption. People on both sides of the issue can argue all day about whether or not it is a good assumption, but in the end all you have is differing opinions.
That being said, it is my opinion that assuming future reactors will be built the same way reactors were built from 1971 to 1996 is a very bad assumption. For one, the licensing process has changed dramatically. I have yet to hear from anyone on the anti-nuke side as to why that is irrelevant to projecting costs.
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| -DOE explains why the nuclear industry collapsed in 1974 |
bananas |
Sep-03-10 04:08 PM |
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Thanks good info to have! |
maryf |
Sep-03-10 04:17 PM |
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International comparison |
zipplewrath |
Sep-03-10 04:37 PM |
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Certain things are relative |
jberryhill |
Sep-03-10 05:08 PM |
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About the same |
bananas |
Sep-03-10 05:15 PM |
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those countries are primarily command and control economies |
greenman3610 |
Sep-03-10 07:47 PM |
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Clean energy isn't currently competitive with dirty energy. |
joshcryer |
Oct-21-10 10:27 PM |
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That isn't true. |
kristopher |
Oct-21-10 11:19 PM |
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Got a date when this will happen? |
joshcryer |
Oct-22-10 02:06 AM |
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End coal subsidies and the date is tomorrow. |
Radical Activist |
Oct-24-10 06:20 PM |
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With all the subsidies coal and oil receive each year |
txlibdem |
Oct-24-10 07:48 PM |
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There are a lot of areas where the EIA can be criticized, but nuclear isn't one of them... |
kristopher |
Oct-24-10 10:19 PM |
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The article you cited came to simplistic conclusions |
txlibdem |
Oct-25-10 07:58 AM |
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The cost issue is what killed it. |
kristopher |
Oct-25-10 01:54 PM |
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I have a hard time telling the two of you apart sometimes. Sorry about that. |
txlibdem |
Oct-26-10 07:46 AM |
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History has already rendered a verdict - stop burying your head in the sand |
kristopher |
Oct-26-10 08:28 AM |
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Opinion piece |
txlibdem |
Oct-26-10 12:05 PM |
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No, it isn't opinion, it is a straight accounting of the cost claims. |
kristopher |
Oct-26-10 01:03 PM |
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Yes it is an opinion |
Nederland |
Oct-26-10 02:29 PM |
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Luckily we don't need to wait for it to play out this time. |
kristopher |
Oct-26-10 02:49 PM |
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And that is a good thing |
Nederland |
Oct-26-10 02:56 PM |
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trial period is over as it was supposed to have helped by now - 2010 |
kristopher |
Oct-26-10 03:04 PM |
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And Lovins predicted renewables would provide 30% of our energy by 2000 |
Nederland |
Oct-26-10 05:26 PM |
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Thank your friend Reagan for the difference... |
kristopher |
Oct-26-10 05:45 PM |
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So who gave you a pointy hat... |
Nederland |
Oct-26-10 06:10 PM |
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It isn't about "cred" it is about values. |
kristopher |
Oct-26-10 06:21 PM |
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No Kristopher, it is about humility |
Nederland |
Oct-26-10 08:32 PM |
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It is an opinion, and not a very informed opinion for that matter |
txlibdem |
Oct-26-10 08:59 PM |
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Nah, you need to build 190,000 turbines a year... |
joshcryer |
Oct-26-10 10:11 PM |
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Yeah, too cheap to meter |
OutNow |
Sep-03-10 05:02 PM |
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You gotta be kidding.... |
DrGregory |
Sep-04-10 06:39 AM |
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Yet another wonderful example of your thinking; thank you so much. |
kristopher |
Oct-23-10 06:06 PM |
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Apparently the more-economic choices were coal and NG |
phantom power |
Sep-03-10 05:11 PM |
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The most economic choices were efficiency and demand reduction |
bananas |
Sep-12-10 03:02 AM |
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That does not refute that coal and NG are preferred solutions. |
joshcryer |
Oct-21-10 10:06 PM |
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Sure it does |
kristopher |
Oct-21-10 11:28 PM |
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"Renewables are already competitive with fossil fuels" |
joshcryer |
Oct-22-10 02:05 AM |
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kick. nt |
bananas |
Sep-12-10 02:53 AM |
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Chart of reactor orders per year - fell like a rock in 1974 |
bananas |
Oct-13-10 05:07 PM |
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So what if nuclear only buys 5% the amount of carbon reduction as efficiency? Who cares? |
kristopher |
Oct-21-10 04:16 PM |
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kick. nt |
bananas |
Oct-21-10 11:45 AM |
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This report gets basic facts wrong |
Nederland |
Oct-21-10 10:59 PM |
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Standard and unsupportable nuclear industry propaganda |
kristopher |
Oct-21-10 11:22 PM |
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Unsupportable? |
Nederland |
Oct-21-10 11:35 PM |
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And the explanation for the negative learning curve also found in France's program? |
kristopher |
Oct-22-10 12:03 AM |
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Cherry picking is theoretically possible |
Nederland |
Oct-22-10 12:27 AM |
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The study I cited above conclusively disproves your thesis. |
kristopher |
Oct-22-10 11:41 AM |
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REALLY??? |
DrGregory |
Oct-22-10 10:59 PM |
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When you don't have the truth on your side, create a strawman, eh? |
kristopher |
Oct-23-10 05:49 PM |
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Evidently you don't understand "fault tolerant" |
DrGregory |
Oct-23-10 11:03 PM |
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There were no "improvements in safety" |
Nederland |
Oct-23-10 11:11 PM |
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CONCUR!!! |
DrGregory |
Oct-23-10 11:50 PM |
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EXACTLY!!! |
DrGregory |
Oct-21-10 11:51 PM |
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LOL - you're blaming it on anti-war protestors! |
bananas |
Oct-24-10 07:05 AM |
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Ummmm... |
Nederland |
Oct-24-10 02:33 PM |
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They were right about both |
bananas |
Oct-26-10 06:48 PM |
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I doubt that very much |
Nederland |
Oct-27-10 04:40 PM |
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Nuclear collapsed from arrogant incompetence, ... |
CRH |
Oct-22-10 03:08 PM |
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REALLY???? |
DrGregory |
Oct-22-10 10:39 PM |
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Other Articles support the Unit 2 reactor vessel at San Onofre, |
CRH |
Oct-23-10 12:46 PM |
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And what happens when you have circular symmetry.... |
DrGregory |
Oct-23-10 10:41 PM |
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The vessel is installed inside a building |
caraher |
Oct-24-10 06:35 AM |
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When I read some of the posts like what you're replying too |
madokie |
Oct-24-10 08:20 AM |
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Evidently someone doesn't understand "symmetry" |
DrGregory |
Oct-24-10 03:41 PM |
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VACUOUS concerns |
DrGregory |
Oct-24-10 03:23 PM |
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"WHERE did you get the idea that I am denying they goofed." from post 28 |
caraher |
Oct-25-10 03:46 PM |
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But..but..but...what about hippies and Greenpeace? We were told they done it! |
jpak |
Oct-24-10 11:38 AM |
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Well, that's what Greenpeace likes to claim, isn't it? (nt) |
Nederland |
Oct-24-10 02:35 PM |
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I wonder if it had anything to do with the fact that they were being litigated into bankruptcy... |
PavePusher |
Oct-26-10 11:40 AM |
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No, it didn't. |
kristopher |
Oct-26-10 01:04 PM |
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What was the cause then? |
Nederland |
Oct-26-10 02:57 PM |
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*Crickets* (nt) |
Nederland |
Oct-27-10 02:09 PM |
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Not in 1974 |
bananas |
Oct-26-10 07:29 PM |
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Were there regulatory changes that may have slowed/stopped the construction of those plants? |
PavePusher |
Oct-27-10 12:16 AM |
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In 1974 the country was reeling from the first oil embargo... |
kristopher |
Oct-27-10 01:57 PM |
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Projected demand did not materialize |
Nederland |
Oct-27-10 02:24 PM |
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litigated into bankruptcy? Got any proof |
Kolesar |
Oct-27-10 02:00 PM |
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