| 193. Why do you belive otherwise? |
|
Buckeye, you've done nothing but my ridicule my positions. You've not actually criticized them, point by point. You've presented not evidence to the contrary.
The recession was certainly not Bush's fault, though the difficulty of the recovery arguably was.
9/11 may or may not have been Bush's fault. We won't know until decades from now, when everything's been declassified -- if then.
|
| -Why I Won't Vote Democratic in 2004 |
durutti |
Nov-23-03 04:18 PM |
#0 |
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No, no flame but . . . |
dodger501 |
Nov-23-03 04:20 PM |
#1 |
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Well then welcome to 1984, 20 years later |
joeybee12 |
Nov-23-03 04:20 PM |
#2 |
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How do you figure? |
durutti |
Nov-23-03 04:25 PM |
#4 |
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For one thing, I believe if Al Gore had been inaugurated (he was elected, |
joeybee12 |
Nov-23-03 04:27 PM |
#7 |
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Tell this to my nephew |
The Zanti Regent |
Nov-23-03 05:23 PM |
#45 |
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No... |
durutti |
Nov-23-03 05:27 PM |
#47 |
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Tell yourself that if you like " The ruling class of this country sent hi" |
Clark Can WIN |
Nov-23-03 09:02 PM |
#170 |
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What does he care? |
bluestateguy |
Nov-23-03 09:10 PM |
#176 |
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What a joke. |
durutti |
Nov-23-03 09:42 PM |
#187 |
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Thank You |
bluestateguy |
Nov-23-03 08:58 PM |
#168 |
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it's called baby steps... |
toddzilla |
Nov-23-03 04:20 PM |
#3 |
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No, it's called going backwards, just not quite as fast |
starroute |
Nov-23-03 05:06 PM |
#38 |
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by your own words, you should be a Democrat and vote for Kucinich |
WhoCountsTheVotes |
Nov-23-03 04:25 PM |
#5 |
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A Few Qualifications |
durutti |
Nov-23-03 04:42 PM |
#15 |
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Kucinich is no fraud... |
wheresthemind |
Nov-23-03 04:52 PM |
#23 |
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your class analysis is seriously out of date |
WhoCountsTheVotes |
Nov-23-03 05:03 PM |
#33 |
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Oh, geez... |
durutti |
Nov-23-03 05:22 PM |
#44 |
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Zzzzzaaamp! Thank you for playing, your answer is incorrect |
Clark Can WIN |
Nov-23-03 09:22 PM |
#182 |
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Obviously |
durutti |
Nov-23-03 09:58 PM |
#190 |
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Obviously |
Clark Can WIN |
Nov-24-03 12:41 AM |
#228 |
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actually, his analysis is right on |
camero |
Nov-23-03 08:28 PM |
#149 |
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Oh Jesus Christ. |
theemu |
Nov-23-03 09:37 PM |
#185 |
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If you want to deny the truth, go right ahead. |
camero |
Nov-23-03 11:55 PM |
#221 |
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I will share your tender concerns and reasoned analysis |
WillyBrandt |
Nov-23-03 04:26 PM |
#6 |
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May I add to your astute analysis? |
NNN0LHI |
Nov-23-03 04:51 PM |
#20 |
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Really? |
durutti |
Nov-23-03 04:51 PM |
#22 |
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Logic-chopping the blood away |
WillyBrandt |
Nov-23-03 05:00 PM |
#30 |
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I'm Draft Age |
durutti |
Nov-23-03 05:14 PM |
#42 |
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I'm draft age too, buddy |
WillyBrandt |
Nov-23-03 08:21 PM |
#144 |
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If a politician says it, it must be true! |
durutti |
Nov-23-03 08:26 PM |
#148 |
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If a politician says it, it must be false |
WillyBrandt |
Nov-23-03 08:30 PM |
#151 |
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Kosovo |
durutti |
Nov-23-03 08:41 PM |
#162 |
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We're done |
WillyBrandt |
Nov-23-03 08:51 PM |
#165 |
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"Not immediately but ultimately" |
WillyBrandt |
Nov-23-03 05:06 PM |
#37 |
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wrong |
alarimer |
Nov-23-03 05:56 PM |
#62 |
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So instead... |
durutti |
Nov-23-03 06:08 PM |
#70 |
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What candidate has said that anything would be different under them? |
dawgman |
Nov-23-03 05:20 PM |
#43 |
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Yea he should vote for one of the Dems... |
RapidCreek |
Nov-23-03 11:39 PM |
#218 |
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Lesser of two evils |
slackdude |
Nov-23-03 04:31 PM |
#8 |
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I agree with you Slack......Get rid of the idiot in thief and thugs |
buff2 |
Nov-23-03 04:50 PM |
#19 |
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Worse, yes... |
durutti |
Nov-23-03 04:53 PM |
#25 |
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Think about it |
slackdude |
Nov-23-03 04:57 PM |
#27 |
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Well... |
durutti |
Nov-23-03 05:30 PM |
#49 |
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True, but... |
slackdude |
Nov-23-03 05:53 PM |
#58 |
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So? |
durutti |
Nov-23-03 05:55 PM |
#61 |
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So what's your solution? |
slackdude |
Nov-23-03 08:00 PM |
#128 |
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Exactly! |
durutti |
Nov-23-03 08:30 PM |
#150 |
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I can dig it |
slackdude |
Nov-23-03 08:53 PM |
#166 |
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My Two Cents |
JailBush |
Nov-23-03 04:31 PM |
#9 |
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It doesn't have all the answers. |
durutti |
Nov-23-03 04:55 PM |
#26 |
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Just finished 'People's History of the United States,' eh? |
WilliamPitt |
Nov-23-03 04:34 PM |
#10 |
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It IS a good book. |
JanMichael |
Nov-23-03 04:39 PM |
#13 |
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Then |
wryter2000 |
Nov-23-03 04:35 PM |
#11 |
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Because |
durutti |
Nov-23-03 04:58 PM |
#28 |
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Nader said there was no difference |
childslibrarian |
Nov-23-03 04:37 PM |
#12 |
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Who helped the Repubs? |
mad_as_hell |
Nov-23-03 04:45 PM |
#16 |
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Yes, neither party is perfect |
childslibrarian |
Nov-23-03 05:05 PM |
#35 |
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I didn't say there's no difference. |
durutti |
Nov-23-03 05:01 PM |
#32 |
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I disagree wirh your analysis |
childslibrarian |
Nov-23-03 05:08 PM |
#39 |
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I Disagree |
durutti |
Nov-23-03 05:33 PM |
#50 |
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I disagree when you say the US |
ikojo |
Nov-23-03 07:21 PM |
#93 |
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You're throwing out the baby with the bathwater. |
Selwynn |
Nov-23-03 04:41 PM |
#14 |
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Well... |
durutti |
Nov-23-03 05:35 PM |
#51 |
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I disagree that the alternatives are worse... |
Selwynn |
Nov-23-03 10:50 PM |
#209 |
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Go ahead. It isn't like it matters if bush wins again. The world will not |
roguevalley |
Nov-23-03 04:48 PM |
#17 |
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You bring up many points that are valid concerns. |
Tatiana |
Nov-23-03 04:49 PM |
#18 |
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Well, exercise your right to vote |
eileen_d |
Nov-23-03 04:51 PM |
#21 |
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I Completely Understand Your Frustration, But..... |
zinsky |
Nov-23-03 04:52 PM |
# |
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this place is called DU |
AmericanDem |
Nov-23-03 04:52 PM |
#24 |
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I am a democrat. |
durutti |
Nov-23-03 05:41 PM |
#53 |
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How is advocating Walt Brown for president... |
Padraig18 |
Nov-23-03 07:05 PM |
#87 |
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Waaaah! |
durutti |
Nov-23-03 07:27 PM |
#97 |
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How ridiculous is that??? MORE RIDICULOUS! |
sgr2 |
Nov-23-03 08:15 PM |
#138 |
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How is Nader responsible? |
durutti |
Nov-23-03 08:23 PM |
#145 |
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yea why are you? |
sujan |
Nov-23-03 06:20 PM |
#72 |
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What will you do when santorum runs for re-election?? |
mlawson |
Nov-23-03 04:58 PM |
#29 |
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Your analysis is correct but action is all wrong |
mad_as_hell |
Nov-23-03 05:01 PM |
#31 |
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Here is a good quote from Kushner for you to mull over, I believe he |
demgrrrll |
Nov-23-03 05:05 PM |
#34 |
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Thanks for that |
childslibrarian |
Nov-23-03 05:10 PM |
#40 |
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As I've said before: |
HypnoToad |
Nov-23-03 05:06 PM |
#36 |
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Hope it feels good.... |
dobak |
Nov-23-03 05:14 PM |
#41 |
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Again |
durutti |
Nov-23-03 05:47 PM |
#55 |
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Disseminate your ideas some other way.. |
dobak |
Nov-23-03 11:38 PM |
#217 |
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The Whigs |
pop goes the weasel |
Nov-23-03 09:49 PM |
#188 |
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Then you are voting for Bush, it is that simple, in this system. |
Prodemsouth |
Nov-23-03 05:26 PM |
#46 |
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hit the nail on the head |
cheryl27 |
Nov-23-03 05:39 PM |
#52 |
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"Democratic "liberals" became avid Cold Warriors" |
Q |
Nov-23-03 05:29 PM |
#48 |
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What?! |
durutti |
Nov-23-03 05:45 PM |
#54 |
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funny too, the Socialists USA |
OKNancy |
Nov-23-03 05:55 PM |
#60 |
  -
Yes and No |
durutti |
Nov-23-03 06:01 PM |
#65 |
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EXACTLY |
sgr2 |
Nov-23-03 07:23 PM |
#94 |
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I know quite well what I'm talking about. |
durutti |
Nov-23-03 07:49 PM |
#116 |
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You may have book "knowledge" on the subjects |
Clark Can WIN |
Nov-24-03 12:49 AM |
#230 |
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Are you denying it? |
slackdude |
Nov-23-03 06:04 PM |
#69 |
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if you truly believe that there are only "small" differences |
spooky3 |
Nov-23-03 05:49 PM |
#56 |
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It's been done. |
durutti |
Nov-23-03 06:03 PM |
#67 |
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Everyone must unite. |
Zorra |
Nov-23-03 05:49 PM |
#57 |
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Many persons insist on almost 100% agreement |
mlawson |
Nov-23-03 05:57 PM |
#63 |
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defeat shrub |
cheryl l |
Nov-23-03 07:38 PM |
#109 |
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Welcome to DU, cheryl! |
Zhade |
Nov-23-03 08:06 PM |
#131 |
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Well, that's brilliant! Thanks for endorsing Bush! |
leesa |
Nov-23-03 05:54 PM |
#59 |
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Vote Republican then. Don't just go half way by voting for yourself. (n/t) |
w4rma |
Nov-23-03 05:59 PM |
#64 |
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The American Voter |
solinvictus |
Nov-23-03 06:02 PM |
#66 |
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That's just..........................silly |
Clark Can WIN |
Nov-24-03 12:55 AM |
#233 |
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If Bush Wins In 2004... |
Yavin4 |
Nov-23-03 06:04 PM |
#68 |
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the "neocons" |
GreenArrow |
Nov-23-03 06:19 PM |
#71 |
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Then Explain Why Clinton Didn't Overthrow Saddam |
Yavin4 |
Nov-23-03 06:31 PM |
#75 |
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Clinton did what he needed to do |
GreenArrow |
Nov-23-03 06:43 PM |
#80 |
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he was never a Dove |
sgr2 |
Nov-23-03 07:21 PM |
#92 |
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He couldn't get the popular support. |
durutti |
Nov-23-03 07:30 PM |
#99 |
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He didn't need popular support |
GreenArrow |
Nov-23-03 07:37 PM |
#108 |
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Disagree |
durutti |
Nov-23-03 07:52 PM |
#120 |
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you might be right |
GreenArrow |
Nov-23-03 08:00 PM |
#127 |
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Clinton was willing 2 start the war vs Iraq & tried 2 manuafacture consent |
Tinoire |
Nov-23-03 11:23 PM |
#214 |
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I won't flame you |
cheryl_d |
Nov-23-03 06:23 PM |
#73 |
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Don't blame Nader. |
durutti |
Nov-23-03 07:31 PM |
#102 |
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You're both missing the point. Bush STOLE the election. |
Zhade |
Nov-23-03 08:09 PM |
#133 |
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Yes, I know BushCo stole it |
cheryl_d |
Nov-23-03 08:35 PM |
#155 |
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I don't blame you. |
CWebster |
Nov-23-03 06:31 PM |
#74 |
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Mr. Bush thanks you for your vote! |
Padraig18 |
Nov-23-03 06:34 PM |
#76 |
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Yeah, whatever. |
RetroLounge |
Nov-23-03 06:36 PM |
#77 |
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Yeah but |
HerbsDSV@msn.com |
Nov-23-03 06:38 PM |
#78 |
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Always vote your conscience. |
Zhade |
Nov-23-03 06:41 PM |
#79 |
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Vote your conscience in the Dem primary |
cheryl_d |
Nov-23-03 08:40 PM |
#160 |
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Shouldn't this post be at www.socialistunderground.com? |
Padraig18 |
Nov-23-03 06:44 PM |
#81 |
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Politics is religion to you? |
Terwilliger |
Nov-23-03 07:31 PM |
#101 |
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Clever! |
durutti |
Nov-23-03 07:34 PM |
#106 |
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Idiotic analysis |
BeachBuckeye |
Nov-23-03 06:46 PM |
#82 |
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that's not what he said. |
GreenArrow |
Nov-23-03 06:59 PM |
#84 |
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He might have well have said it! |
Padraig18 |
Nov-23-03 07:15 PM |
#89 |
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your comment is not accurate |
GreenArrow |
Nov-23-03 07:26 PM |
#96 |
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Spin it how you like. |
Padraig18 |
Nov-23-03 07:38 PM |
#110 |
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You can lead a horse to water... |
GreenArrow |
Nov-23-03 07:52 PM |
#119 |
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edited subject |
Terwilliger |
Nov-23-03 07:34 PM |
#105 |
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Find those words. |
Padraig18 |
Nov-23-03 07:45 PM |
#112 |
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My Lord... |
durutti |
Nov-23-03 07:36 PM |
#107 |
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You sir |
durutti |
Nov-23-03 10:26 PM |
#199 |
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I'm a pragmatist, but you won't get any flames from me durutti |
mitchum |
Nov-23-03 06:56 PM |
#83 |
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Here's an alternative for you |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Nov-23-03 07:02 PM |
#85 |
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You Misunderstand |
durutti |
Nov-23-03 07:40 PM |
#111 |
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Then the Crmes of the repukes will be on your head as well |
WoodrowFan |
Nov-23-03 07:02 PM |
#86 |
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EXCELLENT post! |
ikojo |
Nov-23-03 07:09 PM |
#88 |
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Oh yipeee yaah! Rah rah rah! |
Clark Can WIN |
Nov-23-03 10:37 PM |
#204 |
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Bizarre, I'm endorsing Roy Moore of the Constitutional Party then |
sgr2 |
Nov-23-03 07:18 PM |
#90 |
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Another Strawman |
durutti |
Nov-23-03 07:47 PM |
#114 |
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That is ridiculous |
sgr2 |
Nov-23-03 08:12 PM |
#134 |
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He's speaking out against it now... |
durutti |
Nov-23-03 08:36 PM |
#157 |
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God you're so blind |
sgr2 |
Nov-23-03 10:40 PM |
#206 |
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You must know Al really well |
BeachBuckeye |
Nov-23-03 08:32 PM |
#154 |
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You must know him even better. |
durutti |
Nov-23-03 08:45 PM |
#164 |
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Really now? |
BeachBuckeye |
Nov-23-03 09:08 PM |
#173 |
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With all due respect, that argument makes no sense. |
Zhade |
Nov-23-03 08:14 PM |
#136 |
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I agree with much of what |
dusty64 |
Nov-23-03 07:18 PM |
#91 |
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The blood will be on your hands |
rhino91063 |
Nov-23-03 07:24 PM |
#95 |
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Will It? |
durutti |
Nov-23-03 07:55 PM |
#122 |
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Are you a fortuneteller? What if what would not have happened? |
w4rma |
Nov-23-03 10:01 PM |
#192 |
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That was very good |
Terwilliger |
Nov-23-03 07:29 PM |
#98 |
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You're beautiful!!!!!!!!!! |
QC |
Nov-23-03 07:31 PM |
#100 |
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is their a socialist underground? |
pasadenaboy |
Nov-23-03 07:32 PM |
#103 |
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No |
durutti |
Nov-23-03 07:56 PM |
#124 |
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What state are you located in? |
cat_girl25 |
Nov-23-03 07:33 PM |
#104 |
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Pennsylvania n/t |
durutti |
Nov-23-03 07:57 PM |
#125 |
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Is a swing state... |
Mattforclark |
Nov-23-03 08:21 PM |
#143 |
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Well, he says he's voting for the Socialist Candidate |
sgr2 |
Nov-23-03 08:32 PM |
#153 |
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This was Nader's argument in 2004, and is patently false.... |
familydoctor |
Nov-23-03 07:46 PM |
#113 |
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How? |
durutti |
Nov-23-03 08:00 PM |
#126 |
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On the finer points maybe you are different from Nader.... |
familydoctor |
Nov-23-03 08:31 PM |
#152 |
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Why did you even post this? |
rucky |
Nov-23-03 07:48 PM |
#115 |
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For some people, politics is moral theater. |
QC |
Nov-23-03 07:54 PM |
#121 |
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You're Missing the Point |
durutti |
Nov-23-03 08:02 PM |
#129 |
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I see, you're hedging your bets |
rucky |
Nov-23-03 08:15 PM |
#137 |
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For the last time... |
durutti |
Nov-23-03 09:02 PM |
#169 |
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In the real world, where the rest of us live, |
QC |
Nov-23-03 08:21 PM |
#142 |
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I think this poster wants attention. |
cat_girl25 |
Nov-23-03 08:07 PM |
#132 |
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that's the response I expect |
Terwilliger |
Nov-23-03 08:20 PM |
#140 |
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Let's talk about 3rd Parties in 2005 |
rucky |
Nov-23-03 08:38 PM |
#159 |
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Yes I am partisan and damn proud of it! |
cat_girl25 |
Nov-23-03 09:11 PM |
#177 |
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Yes, I want attention. |
durutti |
Nov-23-03 08:20 PM |
#141 |
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I agree with you 110%. Don't let the fools on this board pressure |
RichM |
Nov-23-03 07:50 PM |
#117 |
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What is this "fools" shit? You talking about me? n/t |
NNN0LHI |
Nov-23-03 08:04 PM |
#130 |
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This is the only post in this thread that is MORE full of shit than |
BeachBuckeye |
Nov-23-03 09:23 PM |
#183 |
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Oh, please |
vdeputy |
Nov-23-03 07:50 PM |
#118 |
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Worse, yes... |
durutti |
Nov-23-03 08:14 PM |
#135 |
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Damn, he knows Clinton just as well as he knows Al Gore! |
BeachBuckeye |
Nov-23-03 09:27 PM |
#184 |
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Why do you belive otherwise? |
durutti |
Nov-23-03 10:02 PM |
#193 |
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Hey, I liked a lot of things Clinton did, but... |
Zhade |
Nov-23-03 08:25 PM |
#146 |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Nov-23-03 07:56 PM |
#123 |
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I Welcome Critical Examination |
durutti |
Nov-23-03 08:18 PM |
#139 |
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you do like hell, and a person IS his ideas. |
kodi |
Nov-23-03 08:38 PM |
#158 |
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Almost funny. |
durutti |
Nov-23-03 08:57 PM |
#167 |
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"I'm interested in what's effective." & the Socialist Party is effective? |
kodi |
Nov-24-03 12:49 AM |
#231 |
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If You Believe That Gore Would've Pre-Emptively Attack Iraq |
Yavin4 |
Nov-23-03 09:09 PM |
#175 |
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I will .... but |
number6 |
Nov-23-03 08:26 PM |
#147 |
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Well, the good news is that we won't have to read this garbage soon |
sgr2 |
Nov-23-03 08:36 PM |
#156 |
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I despise that some of you out there want to silence this person! |
SkeptyCal |
Nov-23-03 09:06 PM |
#171 |
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Bush-Cheney 2004 |
sgr2 |
Nov-23-03 10:20 PM |
#197 |
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Is this an organizing activity? |
durutti |
Nov-23-03 09:07 PM |
#172 |
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You will have no standing to criticize * if your vote swings the election |
bluestateguy |
Nov-23-03 08:41 PM |
#161 |
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This is an absurd comment |
BeachBuckeye |
Nov-23-03 08:42 PM |
#163 |
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Gore is a leftist? |
durutti |
Nov-23-03 09:08 PM |
#174 |
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What's a leftist? |
SahaleArm |
Nov-23-03 09:11 PM |
#178 |
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Then let me invite you to the Lounge.... |
BiggJawn |
Nov-23-03 09:15 PM |
#179 |
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*IF* |
dolo amber |
Nov-23-03 09:16 PM |
#180 |
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I Hate It When People Attend A Noam Chomsky Lecture |
Yavin4 |
Nov-23-03 09:19 PM |
#181 |
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LOL |
durutti |
Nov-23-03 09:51 PM |
#189 |
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Chomsky has taken the Anyone But Bush approach? |
Terwilliger |
Nov-23-03 10:12 PM |
#194 |
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Yup, he doesn't vote |
sgr2 |
Nov-23-03 10:21 PM |
#198 |
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he knows more about foreign policy than elected Democrats |
Terwilliger |
Nov-23-03 10:31 PM |
#200 |
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Incorrect |
durutti |
Nov-23-03 10:36 PM |
#202 |
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I'd really love a link |
Terwilliger |
Nov-23-03 11:08 PM |
#212 |
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Here you go Ter |
Tinoire |
Nov-24-03 12:21 AM |
#225 |
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Conclusion |
durutti |
Nov-23-03 09:38 PM |
#186 |
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"crucial to a democratic society" ? |
janx |
Nov-23-03 09:59 PM |
#191 |
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go throw rocks at banks or something? |
Terwilliger |
Nov-23-03 10:18 PM |
#195 |
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Geez... |
durutti |
Nov-23-03 10:19 PM |
#196 |
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the rocks at banks thing was a lame attempt... |
Terwilliger |
Nov-23-03 10:33 PM |
#201 |
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I agree with your general point. |
FDRrocks |
Nov-23-03 10:36 PM |
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Answer this my fine weather friend, for your 60'th reply in your thread |
sgr2 |
Nov-23-03 10:38 PM |
#205 |
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hey, Lieberman's |
GreenArrow |
Nov-23-03 10:46 PM |
#207 |
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Rebuttal |
durutti |
Nov-23-03 10:48 PM |
#208 |
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Nader is... |
saoirse |
Nov-23-03 11:17 PM |
#213 |
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Impressive vocab you got there. |
SkeptyCal |
Nov-23-03 11:55 PM |
#220 |
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A vote for anyone other than the Democratic nominee |
saoirse |
Nov-23-03 11:01 PM |
#210 |
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A vote for anyone other than the Democratic nominee |
WillyBrandt |
Nov-23-03 11:04 PM |
#211 |
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Its a free country |
mmonk |
Nov-23-03 11:28 PM |
#215 |
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<in david spade voice>buuh- bye! |
texas is the reason |
Nov-23-03 11:31 PM |
#216 |
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Go read more pop psych books... |
SkeptyCal |
Nov-23-03 11:57 PM |
#222 |
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how can you say that this was... |
texas is the reason |
Nov-24-03 12:36 AM |
#227 |
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wow |
ZombyWoof |
Nov-24-03 12:06 AM |
#224 |
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let me know when Walt Brown gets on some ballots! |
burr |
Nov-23-03 11:40 PM |
#219 |
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No flames here- just sadness and not at you |
Tinoire |
Nov-24-03 12:02 AM |
#223 |
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excellent post, durutti |
Aidoneus |
Nov-24-03 12:32 AM |
#226 |
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Ffffsssstt! |
KelleyKramer |
Nov-24-03 12:47 AM |
#229 |
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If you buy that argument that there is no difference |
Cleita |
Nov-24-03 12:51 AM |
#232 |