Donna Zen
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Thu Oct-30-03 10:44 PM
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Soft power....how do we deal with rogue or failed states? Read: Benjamin Barber. Clark has said on occassion that we should increase foreign aid to match military budget dollar for dollar. Clinton has been attacked by the reichwing for advocating much the same approach. Build schools and hospitals not bombs. Barber puts forth the policy that until people have a voice in their government, their only recourse will be to violence; therefore, it is in our best interests, and theirs as well, to adopt a policy of which encourages democracy and human rights, thus, starving terrorists and dictators of their feast off the poor.
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| -A comment about Wesley Clark and the war |
WilliamPitt |
Oct-29-03 09:52 PM |
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Why would Clark supporters |
Girlfriday |
Oct-29-03 09:58 PM |
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My understanding |
WilliamPitt |
Oct-29-03 09:59 PM |
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You are right about that |
Girlfriday |
Oct-29-03 10:07 PM |
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I can support thoughtful people. People who cannot change their mind |
roguevalley |
Oct-29-03 10:10 PM |
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Pragmatism |
Beetwasher |
Oct-29-03 09:59 PM |
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Will - Devil's advocate |
Finnfan |
Oct-29-03 10:00 PM |
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I don't have an answer for that |
WilliamPitt |
Oct-29-03 10:05 PM |
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According to the Rolling Stone interview... |
xray s |
Oct-29-03 11:40 PM |
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I don't remember Clark supporting the war. |
alcuno |
Oct-29-03 10:07 PM |
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He did that, too |
WilliamPitt |
Oct-29-03 10:10 PM |
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I seem to remember... |
graham67 |
Oct-29-03 10:57 PM |
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links, please |
Woodstock |
Oct-30-03 06:13 PM |
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My condolences on The Jints Season |
GalleryGod |
Oct-30-03 04:14 AM |
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Will, I think you have the timing a little messed up |
sgr2 |
Oct-30-03 06:08 PM |
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I value growth- even in pols but |
party_line |
Oct-29-03 10:03 PM |
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Clark Supported Invading Iraq? |
cryingshame |
Oct-29-03 10:05 PM |
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He said he would have voted for the IWR |
WilliamPitt |
Oct-29-03 10:06 PM |
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Don't you think though that as a military man |
Girlfriday |
Oct-29-03 10:09 PM |
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I suppose |
WilliamPitt |
Oct-29-03 10:11 PM |
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Was He Saying That As An Analyst, Commentator |
cryingshame |
Oct-29-03 10:15 PM |
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links, please |
Woodstock |
Oct-30-03 06:15 PM |
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A couple of things: |
kiahzero |
Oct-30-03 06:26 PM |
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from a military point of view.. Yes he was impressed with the |
Kahuna |
Oct-30-03 07:07 PM |
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This is where it gets difficult |
MuseRider |
Oct-29-03 10:06 PM |
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I think he spoke no more in favor of it than some other |
BillyBunter |
Oct-29-03 10:11 PM |
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I can't speak for Clark personally |
mzpip |
Oct-29-03 10:11 PM |
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I always felt he flip flopped a bit |
incapsulated |
Oct-29-03 10:16 PM |
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Lieberman really got Clark on this very point during the last debate |
IndianaGreen |
Oct-29-03 10:16 PM |
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Fair enough |
WilliamPitt |
Oct-29-03 10:20 PM |
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Was Clark Praising Bush & Co. Or The Specific Military Campaign |
cryingshame |
Oct-29-03 10:21 PM |
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Clark was praising both! |
IndianaGreen |
Oct-29-03 11:10 PM |
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Uhhh, |
BillyBunter |
Oct-29-03 11:29 PM |
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The Bush's "resolve" that Clark is talking about |
IndianaGreen |
Oct-29-03 11:33 PM |
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No, the deception was borne from the resolve. |
BillyBunter |
Oct-29-03 11:40 PM |
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Those of us that opposed the war knew all about the deceptions |
IndianaGreen |
Oct-30-03 12:07 AM |
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You gave up trying to support your original |
BillyBunter |
Oct-30-03 01:48 AM |
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Can You Not Distinguish The Diplomacy |
cryingshame |
Oct-29-03 11:32 PM |
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These aren't the words of someone who sees a PNAC illegal oil war. |
JohnOneillsMemory |
Oct-29-03 11:33 PM |
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We must learn to read entire articles, |
BillyBunter |
Oct-29-03 11:43 PM |
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Indeed, Mr. Bunter |
The Magistrate |
Oct-30-03 12:03 AM |
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Good evening, gents. I wish we were hoisting a few in person. Survival. |
JohnOneillsMemory |
Oct-30-03 12:51 AM |
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Great graphic. You made me guffaw. I truly appreciate your droll wit. |
JohnOneillsMemory |
Oct-30-03 12:57 AM |
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Clark Is The Only Viable Candidate Willing To Cut Pentagon Spending |
cryingshame |
Oct-29-03 11:45 PM |
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Dennis Kucinich is the only candidate that will cut the Pentagon budget |
IndianaGreen |
Oct-30-03 12:12 AM |
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Clark is on record as favoring a Pentagon cut |
RandomUser |
Oct-30-03 06:23 AM |
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Ah_but who could actually do it? |
Donna Zen |
Oct-30-03 09:48 PM |
#123 |
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Sorry, I don't see his gung ho, let's invade statements |
Woodstock |
Oct-30-03 06:23 PM |
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I dunno |
Bucky |
Oct-29-03 10:18 PM |
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I have the same experience/impression |
Woodstock |
Oct-30-03 06:25 PM |
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It's true, Clark was always on America's side |
WhoCountsTheVotes |
Oct-29-03 10:22 PM |
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its not an opinion |
Dr Satan |
Oct-29-03 10:25 PM |
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What does that mean? |
WilliamPitt |
Oct-29-03 10:25 PM |
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I dont know |
Dr Satan |
Oct-29-03 11:04 PM |
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One thing to keep in mind... |
Tatiana |
Oct-29-03 10:25 PM |
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Will I love what CLark is saying NOW.... |
TLM |
Oct-29-03 10:31 PM |
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I think a lot |
mzpip |
Oct-29-03 10:42 PM |
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Is it not that he hoped for the best because he was in the military... |
TLM |
Oct-30-03 01:43 AM |
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Oct-30-03 02:29 AM |
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I'm of two minds on this... |
VelmaD |
Oct-29-03 10:39 PM |
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I didn't see every minute of Clark on CNN |
union_maid |
Oct-29-03 10:53 PM |
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Intresting, Clark spoke on this subject yesterday, but no comment against. |
Code_Name_D |
Oct-29-03 11:03 PM |
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Well... |
WilliamPitt |
Oct-29-03 11:06 PM |
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Which is basically Gen. Clark's perspective. |
Tatiana |
Oct-29-03 11:11 PM |
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A responce. |
Code_Name_D |
Oct-29-03 11:17 PM |
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OK |
WilliamPitt |
Oct-29-03 11:30 PM |
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Keeping at it. |
Code_Name_D |
Oct-30-03 12:42 AM |
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Let's consider your bolded parts |
RandomUser |
Oct-29-03 11:25 PM |
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The weirdest attempt to argue semantics that I have ever seen. |
Code_Name_D |
Oct-29-03 11:57 PM |
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Let me clarify |
RandomUser |
Oct-30-03 04:09 AM |
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Honestly, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Oct-30-03 04:26 PM |
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Oct-30-03 05:55 PM |
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It's a Worthless, Semantical Argument Only To Those Ignorant of Strategy |
DoveTurnedHawk |
Oct-30-03 04:37 PM |
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Umm...Huh? |
DoveTurnedHawk |
Oct-30-03 06:12 PM |
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Mixing up your wars Code-man |
Donna Zen |
Oct-30-03 09:09 PM |
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Since 19 Saudis (supposedly) hijacked planes, NATO oks Afghan invasion? |
JohnOneillsMemory |
Oct-31-03 12:35 AM |
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I don't agree with your assessment. |
Skwmom |
Oct-29-03 11:03 PM |
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not sure I can agree |
dudeness |
Oct-29-03 11:14 PM |
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That's the same reason why I don't bash Lieberman on his war views |
IndianaGreen |
Oct-29-03 11:23 PM |
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An Excellent Point, Mr. Pitt |
The Magistrate |
Oct-29-03 11:26 PM |
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I havent decided on a canidate yet but Wesley is not a dem |
lynndew2 |
Oct-29-03 11:29 PM |
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I'm Certainly Glad to Hear THAT! |
DoveTurnedHawk |
Oct-30-03 12:17 PM |
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Fear! F E A R ! AHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! |
Code_Name_D |
Oct-30-03 12:29 PM |
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LOL! |
DoveTurnedHawk |
Oct-30-03 12:32 PM |
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Well Said, Mr. Hawk! |
The Magistrate |
Oct-30-03 04:36 PM |
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Are we not the super men? Ya we are the super men! |
Code_Name_D |
Oct-30-03 06:20 PM |
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You Really Are Not Very Good At This, Are You, Fellow? |
The Magistrate |
Oct-30-03 10:54 PM |
#127 |
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I wanna be on your ignore list!!! |
xultar |
Oct-31-03 09:44 AM |
#145 |
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Dear Gods! |
knight_of_the_star |
Oct-30-03 06:47 PM |
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Check Out the Subthread Starting From Post #85 |
DoveTurnedHawk |
Oct-30-03 06:50 PM |
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Yeah, too true |
knight_of_the_star |
Oct-30-03 07:19 PM |
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Hmm. A smaller body count than if BushCo won. Gotta appreciate that. |
JohnOneillsMemory |
Oct-31-03 12:43 AM |
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The thing about "flip-flopping"... |
Blue-Jay |
Oct-29-03 11:51 PM |
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To tell the truth, I never got the impression that he |
Clete |
Oct-30-03 12:12 AM |
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I do not agree that Clark waffled about this war... |
Frenchie4Clark |
Oct-30-03 12:37 AM |
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Here's the actual link .......for the above |
Frenchie4Clark |
Oct-30-03 12:42 AM |
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In reference to whether he supported the resolution..... |
Frenchie4Clark |
Oct-30-03 12:48 AM |
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I believe that the author of this article makes my point |
Frenchie4Clark |
Oct-30-03 01:05 AM |
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I agree, Will |
juajen |
Oct-30-03 01:09 AM |
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Finally, Clark did get roasted for his remarks on CNN...... |
Frenchie4Clark |
Oct-30-03 01:18 AM |
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Declared Kerry supporter... |
JackRiddler |
Oct-30-03 05:04 AM |
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"Politically, he is someone people can relate to, |
CWebster |
Oct-30-03 06:29 AM |
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I've said this to you once before, Will |
Eloriel |
Oct-30-03 10:57 AM |
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Pot Meet Kettle |
cryingshame |
Oct-30-03 12:14 PM |
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Abandon ship! |
knight_of_the_star |
Oct-30-03 06:50 PM |
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I Can't Believe a DEAN Supporter Is Throwing Stones About Flip-Flopping |
DoveTurnedHawk |
Oct-30-03 12:24 PM |
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Eloriel, do you live in a glass house? |
knight_of_the_star |
Oct-30-03 06:51 PM |
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Oh, no, no, no, no |
Eloriel |
Oct-30-03 11:46 PM |
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You Crack Me Up |
DoveTurnedHawk |
Oct-31-03 01:24 AM |
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I certainly don't want to see this thread become a tit for tat on Dean... |
wyldwolf |
Oct-30-03 04:46 PM |
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El, you need to stay away |
CWebster |
Oct-30-03 07:29 PM |
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yeah! Especially when she condemns one of the boys for the same thing... |
wyldwolf |
Oct-30-03 08:16 PM |
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You need to read my previous post |
Eloriel |
Oct-30-03 11:53 PM |
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Speaking of intellectual dishonesty, |
BillyBunter |
Oct-31-03 01:50 AM |
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You choose to ignore that many Clark supporters are female |
RandomUser |
Oct-30-03 10:23 PM |
#125 |
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It always seemed to me that... |
wyldwolf |
Oct-30-03 04:42 PM |
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I guess that some were expecting Clark to march |
Frenchie4Clark |
Oct-30-03 05:30 PM |
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Changed his position because of integrity -OR- Changed his position... |
Junkdrawer |
Oct-30-03 07:06 PM |
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The Same Questions Can Be Raised of Dean |
DoveTurnedHawk |
Oct-30-03 07:09 PM |
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Which is why I tend to favor Kucinich... |
Junkdrawer |
Oct-30-03 07:13 PM |
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Agreed |
DoveTurnedHawk |
Oct-30-03 07:15 PM |
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Mad as hell... |
andym |
Oct-30-03 07:37 PM |
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"...naive...he begins to connect the dots..." You kid! The Genius General? |
JohnOneillsMemory |
Oct-30-03 09:53 PM |
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Jihad vs McWorld |
Donna Zen |
Oct-30-03 10:44 PM |
#126 |
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support of the Iraq war....huh? |
Donna Zen |
Oct-30-03 09:44 PM |
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I certainly agree with your last sentence in particular.... |
Frenchie4Clark |
Oct-31-03 02:12 AM |
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Reading is such a gift and a tool! |
Donna Zen |
Oct-31-03 08:38 AM |
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Good stuff. Thanks for the excerpts, Donna and Frenchie. |
JohnOneillsMemory |
Oct-31-03 09:12 AM |
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Clark seems to 'steal' a lot of talking points from other candidates.. |
rman |
Oct-31-03 08:50 AM |
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Like what? |
wyldwolf |
Oct-31-03 08:52 AM |
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... |
rman |
Oct-31-03 08:58 AM |
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Did someone patent those? |
wyldwolf |
Oct-31-03 09:12 AM |
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that's not the point |
rman |
Oct-31-03 09:19 AM |
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Here is what I think you need to to validate your point... |
wyldwolf |
Oct-31-03 09:23 AM |
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Clark actually has been on ignore by cable spin docs |
Frenchie4Clark |
Oct-31-03 10:15 AM |
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I agree |
Zuni |
Oct-31-03 09:27 AM |
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You are not correct, he didn't change his mind on Iraq |
xultar |
Oct-31-03 09:32 AM |
#144 |
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