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quaker bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-28-03 05:44 PM
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38. Strong Labor
A strong labor movement is critical. Very progressive taxes are critical. Trust-busting is critical. Expensing of stock options is critical.

A law in regard to the maximum multiple or the number of times more a CEO is paid above the lowest paid worker is critical.

A very substantial increase in the minimum wage is critical.

An end to corporate and personal off-shore tax havens is critical.

Corporate reform so that piercing the "corporate veil" is simple when officers and directors perpetrate fraud is critical.

An end to corporate welfare and competitive tax incentive bidding for business is critical.

The list goes on.

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  -What would it take for American-style capitalism/socialism to work? Beaker  Oct-28-03 03:56 PM   #0 
  - Get rid of "american" style capitalism alltogether (nt)  Selwynn   Oct-28-03 04:02 PM   #1 
  - At least make sure there's an inheritance tax.  Tansy_Gold   Oct-28-03 04:08 PM   #3 
  - And, um, what would you propose is put in its place?  sgr2   Oct-28-03 06:59 PM   #57 
     - Here's One Alternative  durutti   Oct-29-03 10:50 AM   #72 
  - The problem really isn't that there is a max salary cap  Frangible   Oct-28-03 04:06 PM   #2 
  - But it is broken, that's the point.  Beaker   Oct-28-03 04:24 PM   #12 
  - Why?  Frangible   Oct-28-03 04:29 PM   #14 
     - In the 60's, a family of 4 or more could live on ONE blue-collar wage  Beaker   Oct-28-03 04:45 PM   #15 
     - As I said  Frangible   Oct-28-03 05:00 PM   #25 
        - Who said that the 'standard of living' is worse?  Beaker   Oct-28-03 05:25 PM   #33 
        - If that's the case  Frangible   Oct-28-03 05:29 PM   #36 
           - Pure capitalism is not what the U.S pratices,  Beaker   Oct-28-03 06:06 PM   #43 
        - WRONG!  Tyler Durden   Oct-29-03 11:14 AM   #81 
     - *sigh*  WhoCountsTheVotes   Oct-29-03 10:13 AM   #65 
        - By what measure? (nt)  Nederland   Oct-29-03 10:26 AM   #67 
           - social ownership and input into business  WhoCountsTheVotes   Oct-29-03 10:34 AM   #69 
              - That's not an answer  Nederland   Oct-29-03 10:58 AM   #74 
                 - Nederland, whatever you are looking for I hope you find it  WhoCountsTheVotes   Oct-29-03 11:00 AM   #75 
                    - A suggestion  Nederland   Oct-29-03 11:01 AM   #76 
                       - A counter-suggestion...  IrateCitizen   Oct-29-03 11:07 AM   #77 
                          - Confused  Nederland   Oct-29-03 11:09 AM   #79 
                             - How can GDP measure that either???  IrateCitizen   Oct-29-03 11:22 AM   #83 
                                - In this case, that's what we want  Nederland   Oct-29-03 11:34 AM   #86 
                                   - But here's where the misleading begins...  IrateCitizen   Oct-29-03 11:41 AM   #87 
  - It isn't broken?  camero   Oct-29-03 10:20 AM   #66 
     - Think outside the box, camero...  IrateCitizen   Oct-29-03 11:14 AM   #80 
        - It would also mean busting up the media  camero   Oct-29-03 11:32 AM   #85 
           - Capitalism is simply a system, same a socialism  IrateCitizen   Oct-29-03 11:45 AM   #89 
              - We cannot change human nature, we can only harness it.  camero   Oct-29-03 11:44 PM   #90 
                 - Hardly a constant, camero  IrateCitizen   Oct-30-03 09:03 AM   #91 
                    - A maximum wage penalizes selfishness  camero   Oct-30-03 03:08 PM   #92 
                       - And focusing on "wage" is where you make your biggest mistake  IrateCitizen   Oct-31-03 08:38 AM   #94 
                          - I know you're not picking on me, you're right  camero   Oct-31-03 12:53 PM   #95 
  - you'd have to...  elfwitch   Oct-28-03 04:11 PM   #4 
  - No offense  Frangible   Oct-28-03 04:18 PM   #8 
     - anecdotal..  toddzilla   Oct-28-03 04:49 PM   #19 
        - The fact is  Frangible   Oct-28-03 04:55 PM   #22 
        - "Why do you need to make a profit on medical care?"  DemocratSinceBirth   Oct-28-03 05:10 PM   #29 
  - you either have capitalism or socialism, and socialism is not viable  Bombtrack   Oct-28-03 04:12 PM   #5 
  - works pretty good in Sweden  elfwitch   Oct-28-03 04:19 PM   #9 
  - Sweden has 3 percent of the US population and hasn't  Bombtrack   Oct-28-03 04:57 PM   #23 
  - So- You don't consider Social Security/Medicare-  Beaker   Oct-28-03 04:19 PM   #10 
  - not at all  elfwitch   Oct-28-03 04:25 PM   #13 
  - Actually, that question was directed at Bombtrack  Beaker   Oct-28-03 04:46 PM   #17 
  - they are entitlements  Bombtrack   Oct-28-03 04:46 PM   #16 
     - you might want to notice-  Beaker   Oct-28-03 04:50 PM   #21 
     - There is no such thing as "american style" socialism  Bombtrack   Oct-28-03 05:04 PM   #27 
        - ummm- what you call "Soviet socialism"...  Beaker   Oct-28-03 05:28 PM   #34 
           - i'd call it Communism, because that's it's definition  Bombtrack   Oct-28-03 05:44 PM   #39 
              - Not really.  Beaker   Oct-28-03 06:12 PM   #44 
              - Large C Communism, was the official name for the USSR's ideology  Bombtrack   Oct-28-03 06:29 PM   #50 
              - Soviet Communism was anything but socialism...  TimeLord   Oct-28-03 07:01 PM   #59 
              - The definition of Communism  0rganism   Oct-28-03 06:27 PM   #48 
                 - but the overwhelmingly accepted idea of socialism  Bombtrack   Oct-28-03 06:34 PM   #52 
                    - So because people are confused, we should deny the label?  0rganism   Oct-28-03 06:53 PM   #55 
     - That's _C_ommunism, not socialism.  Monte Carlo   Oct-28-03 05:00 PM   #26 
     - No, C-ommunism was the brand name, if you will, of  Bombtrack   Oct-28-03 05:13 PM   #30 
        - Official ideology? Do we have one now?  Monte Carlo   Oct-28-03 06:57 PM   #56 
     - that is not entirely true  elfwitch   Oct-29-03 10:00 AM   #61 
  - yet firm regulation is the only thing that makes the free market viable  0rganism   Oct-28-03 04:50 PM   #20 
     - I'm as pro-regulation as they come  Bombtrack   Oct-28-03 05:22 PM   #32 
        - when did I ever say or imply that "real socialism" would work?  Beaker   Oct-28-03 05:29 PM   #35 
        - nor is regulation capitalism, by your exclusive definitions  0rganism   Oct-28-03 06:05 PM   #42 
           - This is getting silly  Bombtrack   Oct-28-03 06:21 PM   #46 
              - Socialism was once popular  wuushew   Oct-28-03 06:28 PM   #49 
              - Great, call it whatever you like. It's still socialism  0rganism   Oct-28-03 06:41 PM   #53 
  - just an idea on maximum wage  Ficus   Oct-28-03 04:16 PM   #6 
  - That's kind of what I meant when I said:  Beaker   Oct-28-03 06:25 PM   #47 
  - My answer - what would Christ do?  Mountainman   Oct-28-03 04:18 PM   #7 
  - social justice  elfwitch   Oct-28-03 04:21 PM   #11 
  - A true Labor Party  proud patriot   Oct-28-03 04:47 PM   #18 
  - make it more like German-style capitalism/socialism  leftofthedial   Oct-28-03 04:58 PM   #24 
  - I don't think it would ever work  Kamika   Oct-28-03 05:08 PM   #28 
  - Income re-distribution!!  MrPrax   Oct-28-03 05:15 PM   #31 
  - The US has been paying farmers not to grow crops. . . .  Tansy_Gold   Oct-28-03 05:32 PM   #37 
     - This is what's wrong  Nederland   Oct-29-03 11:08 AM   #78 
        - It's perfectly workable, even if it doesn't work perfectly.  Tansy_Gold   Oct-29-03 11:15 AM   #82 
           - Assumptions  Nederland   Oct-29-03 11:28 AM   #84 
  - Strong Labor  quaker bill   Oct-28-03 05:44 PM   #38 
  - Start by electing Dennis Kucinich  Zorra   Oct-28-03 05:59 PM   #40 
  - Absolutely! DK is the ticket.  leftofthedial   Oct-28-03 06:00 PM   #41 
  - But shooting down all those pigs, and paying for thawing out Hades-  Beaker   Oct-28-03 06:15 PM   #45 
     - Very, very true.  Zorra   Oct-28-03 06:46 PM   #54 
  - Dennis couldn't do jack...  Nederland   Oct-29-03 10:33 AM   #68 
  - Here's a lot of ideas from William Greider  Armstead   Oct-28-03 06:31 PM   #51 
  - Sounds like he's a half step from Market Socialism.  JanMichael   Oct-28-03 07:05 PM   #60 
  - Next time, just post the link. n/t  brainshrub   Oct-29-03 10:51 AM   #73 
  - One of the things I have been thinking about  notadmblnd   Oct-28-03 07:01 PM   #58 
  - How about some morality and honesty?  ComerPerro   Oct-29-03 10:02 AM   #62 
  - distribute the wealth!  Terwilliger   Oct-29-03 10:07 AM   #63 
  - We've moved increasingly toward corporate socialism in the US...  IrateCitizen   Oct-29-03 10:10 AM   #64 
  - The only reason American-style Capitalism "works"  brainshrub   Oct-29-03 10:37 AM   #70 
  - This is also one of the BIG reasons for Smirk's foray into Iraq-  Beaker   Oct-29-03 11:43 AM   #88 
  - My Take  durutti   Oct-29-03 10:45 AM   #71 
  - The problem is  mmonk   Oct-30-03 03:12 PM   #93 
 

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