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Does this photo show Rove & Ralston breaking the law? You be the judge.
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Election night, November 2004, in the White House:

Remember how Al Gore got in all sorts of trouble because he might have made a few campaign-related phone calls from the VP's office, instead of leaving the building to use a different phone? The relevant law is called the Hatch Act. Here's a little history, and what the law actually says as it applies to the activities in the above photo.

'Many Republicans, however, were convinced that WPA workers had gone further, intimidating staff members, pressuring clients, and using public funds for political purposes. This concern explains the Hatch Act's most restrictive provisionthat persons below the policymaking level in the executive branch of the federal government must not only refrain from political practices that would be illegal for any citizen but must abstain from "any active part" in political campaigns.'

'In 1993, Congress passed legislation that significantly amended the Hatch Act as it applies to federal and D.C. employees (5 U.S.C. 7321-7326). (These amendments did not change the provisions that apply to state and local employees. 5 U.S.C. 1501- 1508.) Under the amendments most federal and D.C. employees are now permitted to take an active part in political management and political campaigns. A small group of federal employees are subject to greater restrictions and continue to be prohibited from engaging in partisan political management and partisan political campaigns.'

And getting down to the nitty-gritty:

'Permitted/Prohibited Activities for Employees Who May Participate in Partisan Political Activity

These federal and D.C. employees may-

* be candidates for public office in nonpartisan elections
* register and vote as they choose
* assist in voter registration drives
* express opinions about candidates and issues
* contribute money to political organizations
* attend political fundraising functions
* attend and be active at political rallies and meetings
* join and be an active member of a political party or club
* sign nominating petitions
* campaign for or against referendum questions, constitutional amendments, municipal ordinances
* campaign for or against candidates in partisan elections
* make campaign speeches for candidates in partisan elections
* distribute campaign literature in partisan elections
* hold office in political clubs or parties

These federal and D.C. employees may not-

* use official authority or influence to interfere with an election
* solicit or discourage political activity of anyone with business before their agency
* solicit or receive political contributions (may be done in certain limited situations by federal labor or other employee organizations)

* be candidates for public office in partisan elections
* engage in political activity while:
- on duty
- in a government office
- wearing an official uniform
- using a government vehicle

* wear partisan political buttons on duty'

So whether or not this photo depicts Rove in the act of stealing the election with his bank of computers following precinct-level voting returns, it would seem to constitute prima facia evidence of an egregious violation of the Hatch Act, on his part and that of Susan Ralston.

See also this previous thread, with more good info and analysis:

"Susan Ralston: Traitorgate, Abramoff scandal, AND election theft witness?"

A federal prosecutor looking to untangle the activities of certain persons of interest might find this information of value.

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  -Does this photo show Rove & Ralston breaking the law? You be the judge. bleever  Nov-30-05 12:12 PM   #0 
  - Excellent Post  LincolnMcGrath   Nov-30-05 12:15 PM   #1 
  - Definitely  FreedomAngel82   Nov-30-05 12:24 PM   #4 
  - Just add this to the long list of rove violations.......  Double T   Nov-30-05 12:19 PM   #2 
  - Wonder if Mr. Fitzgerald is aware he needs to keep in mind that  lovuian   Nov-30-05 12:21 PM   #3 
  - You know, I have lost track of all the bullshit the repukes  Feeney2   Nov-30-05 12:26 PM   #5 
  - I suggest you call Mr. Fitzgerald's office (number below) and ...  understandinglife   Nov-30-05 12:28 PM   #6 
  - excellent suggestion  helderheid   Nov-30-05 12:30 PM   #7 
  - Thanks. I phoned Mr. Samborn and left a message requesting  bleever   Nov-30-05 01:04 PM   #13 
  - I'm with UL  Patsy Stone   Nov-30-05 12:40 PM   #8 
  - I've scoured the DOJ and OSP sites for phone and fax numbers,  bleever   Nov-30-05 01:23 PM   #16 
     - And Italian Beef sandwiches  Patsy Stone   Nov-30-05 01:41 PM   #20 
     - Thanks for doing this, bleever!  MelissaB   Nov-30-05 05:12 PM   #25 
  - I thought this going to be a thread about sodomy in Texas  izzybeans   Nov-30-05 12:42 PM   #9 
  - Dontcha know? Laws don't apply to Republicans.  hvn_nbr_2   Nov-30-05 12:42 PM   #10 
  - I have wondered for a long time just what was going on in this  deminks   Nov-30-05 12:44 PM   #11 
  - Thanks! There's another photo at that site, plus lots of info.  bleever   Nov-30-05 01:03 PM   #12 
  - Laws?  jokerman93   Nov-30-05 01:06 PM   #14 
  - Caught on handed. n.t  texpatriot2004   Nov-30-05 01:12 PM   #15 
  - I'll send this to Fitzgerald right away! Thanks!  cat_girl25   Nov-30-05 01:24 PM   #17 
  - Political Activity ("Hatch Act")  chat_noir   Nov-30-05 01:34 PM   #18 
  - I set up election day staging sites for the Kerry campaign and we were  mod mom   Nov-30-05 01:40 PM   #19 
  - This may be in the private part of the White House  cally   Nov-30-05 01:48 PM   #21 
  - dupe, sorry  MADem   Dec-01-05 08:45 AM   # 
  - That isn't "the residence"  MADem   Dec-01-05 08:45 AM   #54 
  - Kick!  RedOnce   Nov-30-05 02:52 PM   #22 
  - kick again  cat_girl25   Nov-30-05 04:57 PM   #23 
  - kick  wicket   Nov-30-05 05:05 PM   #24 
  - E-mails have been grounds for prosecuting (Dems) under Hatch Act  bleever   Nov-30-05 06:57 PM   #26 
  - Excellent post! You have proven to me that he broke the law...I asked  WiseButAngrySara   Nov-30-05 07:15 PM   #27 
  - I remember. So when I realized that it was Susan Ralston sitting  bleever   Nov-30-05 07:21 PM   #29 
     - She's gonna be in trouble.....  WiseButAngrySara   Nov-30-05 10:33 PM   #48 
  - The WH has played fast-and-loose with the Hatch Act  bleever   Nov-30-05 07:19 PM   #28 
  - Like Delay, KKKarl IS the governement!  Loge23   Nov-30-05 07:23 PM   #30 
  - Great work, Bleev!  spooky3   Nov-30-05 07:28 PM   #31 
  - Good stuff, bleever!  David Zephyr   Nov-30-05 08:04 PM   #32 
  - K&R good stuff bleever -- EOM  FogerRox   Nov-30-05 08:46 PM   #33 
  - I don't know about that one, but this one most definitely does, look  rosebud57   Nov-30-05 09:03 PM   #34 
  - LOFL. I thought about that picture every time I looked at the one  bleever   Nov-30-05 09:20 PM   #35 
     - Look who has 43 recommendations!  Patsy Stone   Nov-30-05 09:35 PM   #36 
        - Make That 44 !!!  WillyT   Nov-30-05 09:37 PM   #39 
           - Up to 45!  Patsy Stone   Nov-30-05 09:39 PM   #40 
  - DEFINITELY! Oh ... wait a minute ...  BattyDem   Nov-30-05 09:36 PM   #37 
  - This issue that you bring up  Time for change   Nov-30-05 09:36 PM   #38 
  - It's a good thing there wasn't oral sex involved  Patsy Stone   Nov-30-05 09:40 PM   #41 
  - I think that you mean oral sex involving a Dem., right?  Time for change   Dec-01-05 09:50 AM   #58 
  - Keep fighting, tfc. Truth is a powerful ally, and it's ours.  bleever   Nov-30-05 09:43 PM   #43 
     - Yes, truth is a powerful ally  Time for change   Dec-01-05 09:53 AM   #59 
  - Kicker and Nod 46! Good Find!  DistressedAmerican   Nov-30-05 09:41 PM   #42 
  - Thanks, DA.  bleever   Nov-30-05 09:44 PM   #44 
  - Is Kkkarl's machine on line?  sfexpat2000   Nov-30-05 10:01 PM   #45 
  - The bleever bites like a Shark I know.  btmlndfrmr   Nov-30-05 10:06 PM   #46 
  - Hope it gets media legs and goes somewhere  Justice Is Comin   Nov-30-05 10:24 PM   #47 
  - This is brilliant, bleever.  blue neen   Nov-30-05 11:01 PM   #49 
  - My God! This is even better than the first version. Rec to Buzz Flash Now  autorank   Dec-01-05 12:55 AM   #50 
  - I hate this bastard and nobody would more like to see  suigeneris   Dec-01-05 01:05 AM   #51 
  - great job...this is why i love DU...thanks....nt.  xiamiam   Dec-01-05 08:07 AM   #52 
  - It would certainly appear to be the case.  Zynx   Dec-01-05 08:15 AM   #53 
  - Kick and recommended ... you ROCK bleever!  Swamp Rat   Dec-01-05 08:48 AM   #55 
  - Maybe Rover was just ordering a pizza? Extra cheese. eom  leveymg   Dec-01-05 09:02 AM   #56 
  - i always thought so. np  mopinko   Dec-01-05 09:22 AM   #57 
  - Ralston spent 95% of her time in the WH while working on the campaign.  bleever   Dec-01-05 11:40 AM   #60 
  - I assume she was on WH payroll, not RNC? Hmmmmm.  troubleinwinter   Dec-01-05 12:11 PM   #62 
  - here's a good companion piece:  robbedvoter   Dec-01-05 12:05 PM   #61 
     - I saw you post this in another thread, and it sure is chilling.  bleever   Dec-01-05 05:31 PM   #63 

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