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Thu Sep-18-03 10:37 AM
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| 65. I'm still not seeing where... |
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anyone calls Cuba a "flourishing democracy." I think the position of many is that Cuba has serious issues, but our (U.S.) meddling has likely contributed to the problems, rather than helped to solve them.
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| -For everyone who thinks Cuba is a flourishing democracy...read this. |
DealsGapRider |
Sep-18-03 09:34 AM |
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riiiiiight |
Kamika |
Sep-18-03 09:36 AM |
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I've NEVER heard anybody say that |
meegbear |
Sep-18-03 09:36 AM |
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Maybe you shouldn't be such a jerk. |
DealsGapRider |
Sep-18-03 09:44 AM |
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Who thought Cuba was a flourishing democracy??? |
Evil_Dewers |
Sep-18-03 09:59 AM |
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Sep-18-03 10:01 AM |
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Sep-18-03 10:03 AM |
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I'm not sure if JanM made such a claim |
Blue_Chill |
Sep-18-03 10:06 AM |
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Ay caramba! |
JanMichael |
Sep-18-03 10:09 AM |
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I've participated in those threads but never said that Cuba... |
JanMichael |
Sep-18-03 10:21 AM |
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judilyn |
rchsod |
Sep-18-03 10:47 AM |
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JudiLyn and Mika |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Sep-18-03 10:58 AM |
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It is a flourishing democracy |
Mika |
Sep-18-03 08:09 PM |
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Maybe you should pay more attention |
Blue_Chill |
Sep-18-03 09:52 AM |
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I've never read anything here to suggest that Cuba was a democracy, |
Brian Sweat |
Sep-18-03 10:19 AM |
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plenty of people here say it |
Cheswick |
Sep-18-03 10:57 AM |
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Cuba isn't a democracy |
quinnox |
Sep-18-03 09:37 AM |
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who said that it was? |
Terwilliger |
Sep-18-03 09:37 AM |
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Are you kidding? I've seen a number of posts on DU |
DealsGapRider |
Sep-18-03 09:44 AM |
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DealsGapRider is correct many DUers do make such a claim |
Blue_Chill |
Sep-18-03 09:55 AM |
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"Are you kidding? I've seen a number of posts on DU" |
Evil_Dewers |
Sep-18-03 10:00 AM |
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I'm trying to find them, but the search function isn't working. |
DealsGapRider |
Sep-18-03 10:08 AM |
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search function is working for me |
Terwilliger |
Sep-18-03 10:15 AM |
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Here you go. |
DealsGapRider |
Sep-18-03 10:18 AM |
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Sep-18-03 10:41 AM |
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Now wait a minute... |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Sep-18-03 10:05 AM |
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Sure you have. |
BurtWorm |
Sep-18-03 11:02 AM |
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Who is saying that?...but continuing the USA boycott is foolish and |
glarius |
Sep-18-03 09:38 AM |
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Castro=Scumbag |
sgr2 |
Sep-18-03 09:40 AM |
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for anybody who thinks up is down... |
HootieMcBoob |
Sep-18-03 09:45 AM |
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Lech Walesa is not a champion of human rights |
IndianaGreen |
Sep-18-03 09:48 AM |
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Some very smart people disagree. |
DealsGapRider |
Sep-18-03 09:51 AM |
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Bill Clinton gave us Plan Colombia |
IndianaGreen |
Sep-18-03 09:55 AM |
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So equal status is all about birth control? |
Blue_Chill |
Sep-18-03 09:54 AM |
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Anyone that does not give women full civil rights |
IndianaGreen |
Sep-18-03 09:56 AM |
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I disagree |
Blue_Chill |
Sep-18-03 09:59 AM |
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I love it when Conservatism dons the liberal multi-cultural mantle. |
JVS |
Sep-18-03 10:01 AM |
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I'm not a conservative. |
Blue_Chill |
Sep-18-03 10:05 AM |
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now you're ad hominem |
Terwilliger |
Sep-18-03 10:09 AM |
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What do you mean by "JVS is one of you?" |
JVS |
Sep-18-03 10:13 AM |
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let's just say... |
Terwilliger |
Sep-18-03 10:14 AM |
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If you mean by our avatars, perhaps |
JVS |
Sep-18-03 10:18 AM |
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thats right...you consider yourself a poor Christian |
Terwilliger |
Sep-18-03 10:19 AM |
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Where's your pointy hat? |
Blue_Chill |
Sep-18-03 10:22 AM |
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The Popes wearing it |
Forkboy |
Sep-18-03 02:38 PM |
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I'm not saying that you are a conservative. |
JVS |
Sep-18-03 10:11 AM |
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I see it this way |
Blue_Chill |
Sep-18-03 10:18 AM |
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like the people who cut women's genitals when they're young? |
Terwilliger |
Sep-18-03 10:08 AM |
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whatever |
Blue_Chill |
Sep-18-03 10:22 AM |
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You are brave to take a firm stand like this. I salute you! |
JVS |
Sep-18-03 10:00 AM |
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Exactly! |
Mairead |
Sep-18-03 10:33 AM |
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I often wonder what Castro and Cuba would have been like... |
IrateCitizen |
Sep-18-03 09:53 AM |
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Stretch |
DealsGapRider |
Sep-18-03 10:04 AM |
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It's not a stretch. It's an honest supposition. |
IrateCitizen |
Sep-18-03 10:13 AM |
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What does US foreign policy have to do with human rights in Cuba? |
DealsGapRider |
Sep-18-03 10:32 AM |
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Look up the propaganda tactics used against Allende for an example |
IrateCitizen |
Sep-18-03 10:42 AM |
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What part of “US government financed dissidents” don’t DUers understand? |
Osolomia |
Sep-18-03 04:03 PM |
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On the other hand |
Nederland |
Sep-18-03 10:11 AM |
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It's important to remember, Nederland... |
IrateCitizen |
Sep-18-03 10:17 AM |
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Sustainability is the key |
Nederland |
Sep-18-03 10:30 AM |
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Europe is neither a former colony, nor an economic pariah. |
IrateCitizen |
Sep-18-03 10:43 AM |
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Response |
Nederland |
Sep-18-03 11:36 AM |
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Counter-response |
IrateCitizen |
Sep-18-03 11:43 AM |
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Actually |
Nederland |
Sep-18-03 12:31 PM |
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It's probably due to unyielding statism in the economy. |
IrateCitizen |
Sep-18-03 12:39 PM |
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Bravo |
Nederland |
Sep-18-03 01:12 PM |
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I'm just trying to capitalize on your post on my "liberalism" thread... |
IrateCitizen |
Sep-18-03 01:20 PM |
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GOOD OBSERVATIONS & ANALYSIS |
blindpig |
Sep-18-03 10:19 AM |
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It would be easy to find equal "proof" that the USA is not a "democracy |
RichM |
Sep-18-03 09:54 AM |
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Strawman |
Blue_Chill |
Sep-18-03 09:57 AM |
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Sure it does! |
IndianaGreen |
Sep-18-03 10:00 AM |
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Incorrect. It is a statement made in respsonse to the spread |
Blue_Chill |
Sep-18-03 10:03 AM |
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OK...who said democracy flourished in Cuba? |
Terwilliger |
Sep-18-03 10:10 AM |
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How much crow would you like to eat? |
DealsGapRider |
Sep-18-03 10:17 AM |
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crow? |
Terwilliger |
Sep-18-03 10:26 AM |
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i can't remember a single person |
buddhamama |
Sep-18-03 09:56 AM |
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- cuba is a flourishing democracy ?????? |
rchsod |
Sep-18-03 10:07 AM |
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Ahem |
DealsGapRider |
Sep-18-03 10:26 AM |
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Hey DealsGapRider, you neglected this part of my post |
Mika |
Sep-18-03 07:13 PM |
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I have a question... How does America treat people who... |
Devils Advocate NZ |
Sep-18-03 10:24 AM |
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The most "antidemocratic" part of Cuba is Guantanamo Bay! |
RichM |
Sep-18-03 10:32 AM |
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It is a crime in the US and most countries to... |
Devils Advocate NZ |
Sep-18-03 10:42 AM |
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What a ridiculous statement. |
DealsGapRider |
Sep-18-03 10:43 AM |
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what a Republican talking point |
Terwilliger |
Sep-18-03 10:46 AM |
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How do you know what Gitmo is full of? |
Forkboy |
Sep-18-03 10:48 AM |
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Yes, at least some of the prisoners |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Sep-18-03 10:51 AM |
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Is it? When were they convicted? |
Devils Advocate NZ |
Sep-18-03 10:50 AM |
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HA ha ha -- you sound just like Ollie North! |
RichM |
Sep-18-03 11:58 AM |
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Cut The Shit About Those Who Wear the Uniform |
Mary T |
Sep-18-03 01:43 PM |
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Hi Mary |
Forkboy |
Sep-18-03 02:08 PM |
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So, you're saying you disagree with the initial poster??? |
IrateCitizen |
Sep-18-03 02:16 PM |
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I've been on her bad side |
Forkboy |
Sep-18-03 02:26 PM |
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The point is not that Cuba is some sort of paradise, BUT... |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Sep-18-03 10:35 AM |
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Well stated, Lydia. |
IrateCitizen |
Sep-18-03 10:50 AM |
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I'm still not seeing where... |
Tatiana |
Sep-18-03 10:37 AM |
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i`ve gone over a month`s |
rchsod |
Sep-18-03 10:40 AM |
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I'm far more concerned about our flourishing Democracy locking up |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Sep-18-03 10:46 AM |
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are those charges still pending? |
Terwilliger |
Sep-18-03 10:59 AM |
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What's the term again....oh yes, moral relativism. |
DealsGapRider |
Sep-18-03 11:11 AM |
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A term created by the RIGHT..I don't respond to right wing propaganda |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Sep-18-03 11:17 AM |
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Then please cite those "very good reasons" |
IrateCitizen |
Sep-18-03 11:18 AM |
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You were so busy handing out crow earlier |
Forkboy |
Sep-18-03 11:21 AM |
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I know it is full of people who were deemed by our armed forces... |
DealsGapRider |
Sep-18-03 12:03 PM |
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Oh, well! |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Sep-18-03 12:19 PM |
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I tell you what. |
DealsGapRider |
Sep-18-03 12:42 PM |
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What a complete ad-hominem cop-out! |
IrateCitizen |
Sep-18-03 01:41 PM |
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I agree!!! |
U4ikLefty |
Sep-18-03 08:35 PM |
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" requirements of international law and human rights..." |
Forkboy |
Sep-18-03 12:28 PM |
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Can you explain to me how we're supposed to convict these people? |
DealsGapRider |
Sep-18-03 12:51 PM |
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Wow |
Forkboy |
Sep-18-03 02:10 PM |
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So what is your problem with Cuba? |
oldcoot |
Sep-18-03 06:56 PM |
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Then why Amnesty International has been so outspoken about it? |
IrateCitizen |
Sep-18-03 12:30 PM |
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Question for the pro-Cuba crowd |
Nederland |
Sep-18-03 11:50 AM |
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Better comparison |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Sep-18-03 12:14 PM |
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Thank you |
Nederland |
Sep-18-03 12:20 PM |
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The US is more democratic than Cuba? Can you remind me how Bush |
Devils Advocate NZ |
Sep-18-03 02:15 PM |
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Good Lord |
Nederland |
Sep-18-03 03:10 PM |
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No, what I am suggesting is that the US can't possibly |
Devils Advocate NZ |
Sep-18-03 10:26 PM |
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Pro Cuba crowd? |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Sep-18-03 12:16 PM |
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Yes, NSMA. Why China and not Cuba? |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Sep-18-03 12:25 PM |
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There's no question that the Cuba embargo is inconsistent. |
DealsGapRider |
Sep-18-03 12:31 PM |
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Agreed |
Nederland |
Sep-18-03 12:48 PM |
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In answer to your simplistic question, you are right. |
IrateCitizen |
Sep-18-03 12:51 PM |
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True |
Nederland |
Sep-18-03 01:35 PM |
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Now we're REALLY veering off-topic with discussions of power politics |
IrateCitizen |
Sep-18-03 01:54 PM |
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Less violent? |
Devils Advocate NZ |
Sep-18-03 02:20 PM |
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Compared to Whom? |
Nederland |
Sep-18-03 02:50 PM |
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None that claimed to be "the leader of the free world" |
Devils Advocate NZ |
Sep-18-03 10:29 PM |
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Keep the embargo |
Muddleoftheroad |
Sep-18-03 01:34 PM |
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Disagree |
Nederland |
Sep-18-03 01:49 PM |
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Hiw did George W Bush become President of the US? |
Devils Advocate NZ |
Sep-18-03 02:18 PM |
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At least Al Gore had a chance |
Nederland |
Sep-18-03 02:53 PM |
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Did he? |
Devils Advocate NZ |
Sep-18-03 10:35 PM |
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I guess |
Nederland |
Sep-19-03 09:43 AM |
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That's not the argument being made, Nederland. |
IrateCitizen |
Sep-19-03 10:00 AM |
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Never used the word "flourishing" Chris |
Nederland |
Sep-19-03 11:30 AM |
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I'm disappointed to see such a strawman from you, Nederland |
IrateCitizen |
Sep-18-03 12:22 PM |
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Bravo |
SweetZombieJesus |
Sep-18-03 12:23 PM |
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Its just a question |
Nederland |
Sep-18-03 12:43 PM |
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But since I did answer, I'd like to hear your thoughts. |
IrateCitizen |
Sep-18-03 12:49 PM |
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Sorry |
Nederland |
Sep-18-03 01:05 PM |
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You could always abbreviate... |
IrateCitizen |
Sep-18-03 01:07 PM |
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Funny Thread... |
MrPrax |
Sep-18-03 12:46 PM |
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Yeah |
Nederland |
Sep-18-03 01:11 PM |
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Travel banned DUers spewing their cold war fantasies yet again |
Osolomia |
Sep-18-03 03:25 PM |
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FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO LEARN about "democracy" in Cuba |
Osolomia |
Sep-18-03 05:38 PM |
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There is a bad side and a good side to Cuba. |
Cascadian |
Sep-18-03 05:45 PM |
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You certainly showed all them Cuba lovers! |
haymaker |
Sep-18-03 08:59 PM |
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The “pro-Cuba” crowd includes a BIPARTISAN MAJORITY in the USA! |
Osolomia |
Sep-19-03 08:16 AM |
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How many Cuba lovers? over 12 million |
Mika |
Sep-19-03 08:18 AM |
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