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The Left Shouldn't Uncritically Support the Iraq Resistance
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From the Socialist Alternative: (Not Necessarily AE's opinion, but in this case it is)

The Iraqi resistance is composed of many different political forces. Undoubtedly, many fighters are drawn from the ranks of workers and the poor, especially from youth. But many resistance forces are led by distinctly reactionary, anti-working class groups. According to some reports, the resistance includes up to forty Ba'athist organizations and right-wing Islamic groups like "Al Qaeda Organization for Holy War," led by the Jordanian Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, and "Ansar al-Sunna."

These Islamic Fundamentalist groups want to impose a theocratic dictatorship and are already carrying out brutal repression of women in an attempt to impose a system of sexual apartheid. Some groups even carry out bombings directed at ordinary Shi'as in an effort to foment a religious civil war.

While the anti-war movement should stand in solidarity with the Iraqi people, this does not mean we should support the aims and methods of those resistance groups that stand in complete contradiction to the interests of the Iraqi people and act as a barrier for them to advance their struggle to end the occupation.

However, some leading forces in the anti-war movement, like the Workers World Party (the main group behind the ANSWER coalition), and the International Socialist Organization (ISO), which plays an important role in the student anti-war movement, argue against such an approach, urging the anti-war movement to uncritically support the Iraqi resistance.

In an editorial, the ISO argued: "Even if it were true that the resistance was dominated by Baathists and hard-line Islamists, this wouldn't be the central issue. Whatever the religious and political affiliations of the different resistance organizations and groupings, the main goal - the one that unites various forces of the Iraqi resistance - is 'to liberate their country from foreign occupation.' It is precisely this agenda of the resistance that requires our support." The article argues we should limit our program to simply "'Iraq for the Iraqis' - any other position is a capitulation to chauvinism." (Socialist Worker, 2/4/05)

Another editorial explained: "The antiwar movement must not lose sight of the fact that its main enemy is at home - and any resistance to that enemy deserves our unconditional support." (Socialist Worker, 1/21/05) In essence, this position reduces to "the enemy of my enemy is my friend."

To follow this logic out to its ultimate conclusion would imply support for terrorist attacks on U.S. workers, like September 11, 2001. Indeed, there are right-wing Islamic organizations in the Iraqi resistance who openly aim to carry out similar attacks on U.S. civilians, and who continually target Iraqi civilians. In reality, these terrorist methods only end up strengthening U.S. imperialism. 9/11 allowed Bush to stir up nationalism, racism, and war frenzy, and go on the offensive with his war on working people in the U.S. and internationally.

Socialists cannot support sectarian bombings aimed at Shi'as, indiscriminate attacks which overwhelmingly hurt ordinary Iraqis, or brutal kidnappings and beheadings. Such tactics cast the Iraqi working class and poor in the role of onlookers, not participants, in the battle to rid their country of imperialist forces. Bloody incidents which these tactics create can be manipulated by reactionary forces to increase sectarian tensions between different Iraqi communities.

These incidents only make it easier for Bush to rally U.S. public support for the occupation. If the anti-war movement supports these methods, or fails to condemn them, it will create an obstacle to expanding our support among U.S. workers, military families, and rank-and-file soldiers who could otherwise be won to the anti-war movement. Instead, the anti-war movement should publicly separate itself from terrorist tactics, while explaining that the U.S. occupation is the root cause of the violence in Iraq and that the only solution is to immediately bring the troops home and let the Iraqi people determine their own fate.

Building the U.S. anti-war movement is not a secondary question. Alongside an enormous resistance movement in Iraq, ending the occupation will require a massive anti-war movement in the U.S. that reaches deep into the American working class, threatening the stability of U.S. capitalism, as the example of Vietnam shows.

But what right do U.S. anti-war activists have to offer advice or criticism to the Iraqi resistance? Of course, the anti-war movement first and foremost should stand in solidarity with the Iraqi people against U.S. imperialism. But genuine internationalism needs to go further. Because we support the Iraqi people, socialists have a duty to raise our ideas on what policies and strategy are necessary to end the U.S. war on Iraq. Iraqi activists should also raise their ideas on how we can most effectively build the anti-war and socialist movements in the U.S. These are not "foreign" or distant issues. The development of the Iraqi resistance will have a huge impact on our struggles in the U.S., and events in the U.S. can be decisive for Iraq and the whole world.


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  -The Left Shouldn't Uncritically Support the Iraq Resistance AmericanErrorist  Mar-04-05 01:48 PM   #0 
  - I don't think ANY of us do!  benburch   Mar-04-05 01:52 PM   #1 
  - Not to sound like a Rush moron, but.........DITTO. n/t  Guy Whitey Corngood   Mar-04-05 01:55 PM   #2 
  - Dangerous assumptions  ewagner   Mar-04-05 01:59 PM   #3 
  - Who does...?  cyclezealot   Mar-04-05 02:02 PM   #4 
  - No one supports the insurgents.  JDPriestly   Mar-04-05 02:13 PM   #5 
  - I thought Michael Moore said they were like  2diagnosis   Mar-05-05 10:14 PM   #68 
     - If he said that, he is wrong.  JDPriestly   Mar-05-05 10:40 PM   #71 
  - I don't care what side you're on -- for me, anti-war means you  NCevilDUer   Mar-04-05 02:20 PM   #6 
  - The left shouldn't support the resistance at all. Saddam was a  applegrove   Mar-04-05 02:22 PM   #7 
  - Your post  uhhuh   Mar-05-05 01:37 AM   #25 
  - Oh yes - at the point of a gun is not a liberal thing. But encouraging  applegrove   Mar-05-05 07:11 PM   #55 
  - How very PNAC of you! Maher's excuse too: "they lied, but it was for  robbedvoter   Mar-05-05 03:25 PM   #35 
     - Like that bird. I still see it as Cheney, Rumsfield & Bush family  applegrove   Mar-05-05 07:24 PM   #56 
     - I remember that debate - Wes Clark kicked the shit outta  Clark2008   Mar-05-05 09:48 PM   #65 
  - I don't "uncritically" support either side.  Jokerman   Mar-04-05 02:32 PM   #8 
  - When we fought the British, were we called terrorists?  B Calm   Mar-04-05 04:16 PM   #16 
  - And those who are blowing up Iraqi civilians?  liberalpragmatist   Mar-04-05 04:22 PM   #18 
  - And Americans attacked and killed every collaborator during war, too.  LynnTheDem   Mar-04-05 10:08 PM   #23 
     - Were the 120 killed 2 days ago all "collaborators"?  liberalpragmatist   Mar-05-05 01:24 AM   #24 
        - I don't know if they were all collaborators.  LynnTheDem   Mar-05-05 09:38 AM   #26 
  - As a matter of fact, we were.  benburch   Mar-05-05 02:50 PM   #27 
  - I'm with you Jokerman  Djinn   Mar-05-05 09:59 PM   #66 
  - As far as I know, nobody does.  UdoKier   Mar-04-05 02:46 PM   #9 
  - What Nonsense  Me.   Mar-04-05 02:52 PM   #10 
  - Wow, I shouldn't support terrorists?  SeveneightyWhoa   Mar-04-05 03:02 PM   #11 
  - Fine line between "terrorist" and "patriot."  FlemingsGhost   Mar-04-05 03:11 PM   #12 
     - Don't get me wrong.  SeveneightyWhoa   Mar-04-05 03:28 PM   #13 
        - Some Iraqi Groups Against Occupation Are Right-Wingers  Itsthetruth   Mar-04-05 03:39 PM   #14 
           - Re: Some Iraqi Groups Against Occupation Are Right-Wingers  michael098762001   Mar-05-05 03:59 PM   #44 
  - Blowing up civilians  Frederik   Mar-04-05 04:05 PM   #15 
  - Just What Revisions Need...The Left Lost Iraq  KharmaTrain   Mar-04-05 04:16 PM   #17 
  - Not Correct.  Itsthetruth   Mar-04-05 09:27 PM   #20 
  - Semantic Games  KharmaTrain   Mar-04-05 09:47 PM   #21 
  - Re: "Just What Revisions Need...The Left Lost Iraq"  michael098762001   Mar-05-05 03:33 PM   #39 
  - Sorry KharmaTrain but that's not true  Djinn   Mar-05-05 10:10 PM   #67 
  - This wouldn't be an issue if chimp hadn't helped himself to Iraq  The_Casual_Observer   Mar-04-05 04:46 PM   #19 
  - And all the liberals on this thread; if America were invaded and occupied  LynnTheDem   Mar-04-05 10:04 PM   #22 
  - I don't argue with that, HOWEVER...  benburch   Mar-05-05 02:57 PM   #29 
  - If the American people  Spinoza   Mar-05-05 04:02 PM   #46 
     - Oh dear...someone's been swallowing the koolaid and not paying attention  LynnTheDem   Mar-05-05 05:53 PM   #52 
     - Mass Graves  Spinoza   Mar-05-05 06:58 PM   #53 
     - Mass graves = bullshit.  LynnTheDem   Mar-05-05 09:23 PM   #61 
        - I NEVER SAID I WAS IN FAVOR OF INVASION.  Spinoza   Mar-06-05 04:32 PM   #78 
        - Mass Garaves=BS  michael098762001   Mar-06-05 06:04 PM   #81 
        - Re:Mass Graves=BS  michael098762001   Mar-06-05 06:12 PM   #82 
        - You too obviously didn't hear Blair admitting ONLY 5000 remains  LynnTheDem   Mar-06-05 06:18 PM   #84 
        - You should study.  LynnTheDem   Mar-06-05 06:21 PM   #86 
        - I don't read rightwingnut blogs.  LynnTheDem   Mar-06-05 06:38 PM   #89 
        - Re: Mass graves = bullshit.  michael098762001   Mar-06-05 06:16 PM   #83 
        - HRW is never wrong...except about those incubator babies...and the number  LynnTheDem   Mar-06-05 06:24 PM   #87 
        - "Iraqi Mass Graves" In Perspective  LynnTheDem   Mar-06-05 07:23 PM   #92 
        - Re: Re: Mass graves = bullshit.  michael098762001   Mar-06-05 06:21 PM   #85 
           - FACT: Tony Blair has admitted there have only been some  LynnTheDem   Mar-06-05 06:32 PM   #88 
           - US admits to using CHEMICAL WEAPONS IN IRAQ in 2003.  LynnTheDem   Mar-06-05 06:59 PM   #90 
           - Saddam's 'Mass Graves': The Third Big Bush Lie?  LynnTheDem   Mar-06-05 07:13 PM   #91 
     - Mass Graves  Spinoza   Mar-05-05 06:58 PM   #54 
        - Because obviously you have not been paying attention  LynnTheDem   Mar-05-05 09:31 PM   #62 
           - I NEVER SAID I WAS IN FAVOR OF INVASION  Spinoza   Mar-06-05 04:34 PM   #79 
     - "no realistic chance of getting rid of Saddam without outside invasion?"  Redstone   Mar-05-05 11:41 PM   #74 
  - The Right shouldn't unilaterally support dictators like Saddam  ComerPerro   Mar-05-05 02:52 PM   #28 
  - Zero argument there!  benburch   Mar-05-05 03:01 PM   #31 
  - I don't remember "uncritically supporting the insurgents"  Gonnabuymeagun   Mar-05-05 02:59 PM   #30 
  - Re:"The Left Shouldn't Uncritically Support the Iraq Resistance"  michael098762001   Mar-05-05 03:03 PM   #32 
  - I'd like to take a look at this....  BL611   Mar-05-05 03:40 PM   #41 
     - Re: "I'd like to take a look at this...."  michael098762001   Mar-05-05 03:54 PM   #43 
        - Uh oh...  BL611   Mar-05-05 04:02 PM   #45 
           - Re: "Uh oh..."  michael098762001   Mar-05-05 04:23 PM   #49 
           - Re: Re:Uh oh...  michael098762001   Mar-05-05 04:28 PM   #50 
              - Yes the big 3 that represent too hot, too cold, just right  BL611   Mar-06-05 02:50 PM   #75 
  - Re: Re:"The Left Shouldn't Uncritically Support the Iraq Resistance"  michael098762001   Mar-05-05 03:12 PM   #33 
  - Iraq's Eclipsed Red Star?:Do you know the left from the right in Iraq? Ev  michael098762001   Mar-05-05 03:14 PM   #34 
  - DU has a 4-paragraph copyright rule.  Padraig18   Mar-05-05 03:30 PM   #37 
     - I hate it when people post that much rules or not!  benburch   Mar-05-05 03:33 PM   #38 
        - Re: "I hate it when people post that much rules or not!"  michael098762001   Mar-05-05 03:37 PM   #40 
           - No problem!  benburch   Mar-05-05 05:42 PM   #51 
  - "When did you stop beating your wife?" The title of this article is just  robbedvoter   Mar-05-05 03:28 PM   #36 
  - '80's Left on FMLN & FSLN (Was," Re:The Left Shouldn't Uncritically...")  michael098762001   Mar-05-05 03:46 PM   #42 
  - There are many on the left who don't support them  quinnox   Mar-05-05 04:09 PM   #47 
  - Re: The Left Shouldn't Uncritically Support the Iraq Resistance  michael098762001   Mar-05-05 04:15 PM   #48 
  - It. Is. Their. Fucking. Country.  Redstone   Mar-05-05 07:53 PM   #57 
  - thank you.  KG   Mar-05-05 07:57 PM   #58 
  - You're welcome.  Redstone   Mar-05-05 09:00 PM   #59 
     - no flames from this leftist.  KG   Mar-05-05 09:05 PM   #60 
     - no flames from me either Redstone  Djinn   Mar-05-05 10:19 PM   #69 
  - Another THANK YOU.  LynnTheDem   Mar-05-05 09:37 PM   #63 
  - The World Needs The US To Lose This War  chlamor   Mar-05-05 09:45 PM   #64 
  - Wow...frame the debate much  Malikshah   Mar-05-05 10:21 PM   #70 
  - Um, any self-respecting leftist wouldn't support the insurgency  Arkana   Mar-05-05 10:53 PM   #72 
  - So it was only the right who supported the insurgency when it was  LynnTheDem   Mar-05-05 11:02 PM   #73 
  - Hello? Calling AmericanErrorist!! Where are you? Question for you...  Misunderestimator   Mar-06-05 02:56 PM   #76 
  - I wondered about that, too  Sapphire Blue   Mar-06-05 05:07 PM   #80 
  - As true as the law of Gravity  clem_c_rock   Mar-06-05 04:16 PM   #77 
  - Don't you mean "insurgencies?"  eridani   Mar-06-05 08:02 PM   #93 
  - Support is such a funny old word  Vladimir   Mar-07-05 05:09 AM   #94 
 

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