Reply #48: You are being WAY too pessimistic, and unreasonable.

[K-W]

And the truth is that parties dont change overnight, never have, never will. The party shifted left because there were independent movements that got people to vote for liberal candidates.

Expecting the party to just up and shift with no electoral pressure from massively organized liberals is historically ludacris. The very fact that howard dean is being considered should give us all hope.

Your spinning it into a discourage defeat bothers me alot.