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Tue Jan-18-05 04:44 PM
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| 131. I'm sure what you believe with no medical knowledge is better than |
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what *medical experts* believe. Based on studies. Scientific studies.
It is clear that you don't want to believe what is perfectly obvious, and that's fine. The important thing to me is that women considering an IUD who might be reading have the correct information in this thread. I'd hate for anyone to be misled because of your vague and wishy-washy "feelings" about what an IUD does.
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| -Contraception is a form of abortion: Discuss |
prolesunited |
Jan-18-05 07:45 AM |
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yes yes yes..............all in religion |
seabeyond |
Jan-18-05 07:47 AM |
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If contraception is the same as abortion |
yardwork |
Jan-18-05 07:47 AM |
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Not to mention the untold millions of sperm. |
asthmaticeog |
Jan-18-05 07:51 AM |
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Has Homeland Security thought of that yet? |
yardwork |
Jan-18-05 07:58 AM |
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I'll bet the Ashcroft DOJ thought of it, |
asthmaticeog |
Jan-18-05 08:06 AM |
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You have to have something to abort to have an abortion. |
hector459 |
Jan-18-05 06:17 PM |
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She's incorrect, and here's why they are not the same. |
Cuban_Liberal |
Jan-18-05 07:50 AM |
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But pro-lifers believe life begins at conception, |
ktowntennesseedem |
Jan-18-05 01:28 PM |
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Life Actually Begins At the Time of a Lustful Thought |
GiovanniC |
Jan-18-05 07:05 PM |
#155 |
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Fertility is such a Pagan issue |
JanMichael |
Jan-18-05 07:52 AM |
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Who needs Silence of the Lambs when you have the Bible? |
Ezlivin |
Jan-18-05 09:45 AM |
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swbts.com.... |
muffin_man |
Jan-18-05 10:52 AM |
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A surprising number of anti-choice activists |
cali |
Jan-18-05 07:52 AM |
#6 |
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It was only a few years before Roe v Wade that contraception was illegal |
yardwork |
Jan-18-05 08:01 AM |
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IUD's are....so what? |
Mend |
Jan-18-05 07:54 AM |
#7 |
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I beleive there are also indications that |
Ilsa |
Jan-18-05 08:01 AM |
#15 |
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That isn't the primary method of contraception with an IUD |
gollygee |
Jan-18-05 08:43 AM |
#32 |
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correct about mechanism |
LisaLL |
Jan-18-05 06:41 PM |
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What about all the fetuses that spontaneously abort? |
notadmblnd |
Jan-18-05 07:55 AM |
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Good point. |
CottonBear |
Jan-18-05 07:58 AM |
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The impilcations of THAT are most disturbing. |
asthmaticeog |
Jan-18-05 08:02 AM |
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Spontaneous abortions occur because embryos are defective -- |
DemBones DemBones |
Jan-18-05 08:35 AM |
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I know.. it was just my smart assed response to |
notadmblnd |
Jan-18-05 08:52 AM |
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they already target contraception |
Solly Mack |
Jan-18-05 07:58 AM |
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They never talk about controlling men's sexuality |
StopThePendulum |
Jan-18-05 08:13 AM |
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Good question |
Solly Mack |
Jan-18-05 08:34 AM |
#29 |
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Easy. When you create the religion, you set the rules |
Ezlivin |
Jan-18-05 09:54 AM |
#49 |
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Why isn't impotence considered god's will? |
dansolo |
Jan-18-05 01:00 PM |
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And other effective forms: |
jarab |
Jan-18-05 07:59 AM |
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Sometimes. |
LWolf |
Jan-18-05 08:00 AM |
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When I was a practicing Catholic abortion was just one form of |
Career Prole |
Jan-18-05 08:00 AM |
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When you base your argument on a passage from the Bible |
kiraboo |
Jan-18-05 08:06 AM |
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Old Monty Python skit song: Every sperm is sacred! |
Divernan |
Jan-18-05 08:17 AM |
#21 |
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every sperm is sacred |
WoodrowFan |
Jan-18-05 09:36 AM |
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Instant Aborto-freak mouth-closer |
Pigwidgeon |
Jan-18-05 08:20 AM |
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Okay I'll discuss. |
GOPBasher |
Jan-18-05 08:24 AM |
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Contraception is prevention of conception. |
DemBones DemBones |
Jan-18-05 08:25 AM |
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You're wrong on the IUD's |
lwfern |
Jan-18-05 09:53 AM |
#48 |
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she's wrong about EC too |
Mandate My Ass |
Jan-18-05 11:28 AM |
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I learned something there |
lwfern |
Jan-18-05 01:13 PM |
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Yes, primarily it works by delaying egg release until the sperm |
Mandate My Ass |
Jan-18-05 01:51 PM |
#108 |
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"The main way an IUD works..." |
Randers |
Jan-18-05 12:48 PM |
#66 |
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You are just plain wrong |
gollygee |
Jan-18-05 12:51 PM |
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A lot of medical people say something like: |
Randers |
Jan-18-05 01:00 PM |
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It's called PMS |
gollygee |
Jan-18-05 01:01 PM |
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No - I've had PMS and I've been pregnant |
Randers |
Jan-18-05 01:08 PM |
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An IUD makes your PMS worse |
gollygee |
Jan-18-05 01:13 PM |
#83 |
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not just worse, but different |
lwfern |
Jan-18-05 01:16 PM |
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It could still be PMS |
gollygee |
Jan-18-05 01:19 PM |
#91 |
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oh, absolutely |
lwfern |
Jan-18-05 01:23 PM |
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The jump was "this feels like pregnancy" so maybe it is. n/t |
Randers |
Jan-18-05 01:26 PM |
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Any hormonal change can feel like pregnancy |
gollygee |
Jan-18-05 01:28 PM |
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"If you're extremely tuned in to your body's rhythms..." |
Randers |
Jan-18-05 02:53 PM |
#110 |
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The way the IUD works is a medical fact |
gollygee |
Jan-18-05 03:11 PM |
#113 |
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I think you have your facts wrong |
Randers |
Jan-18-05 03:41 PM |
#115 |
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The mechanism is not known |
gollygee |
Jan-18-05 03:53 PM |
#118 |
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I also saw several sites |
Randers |
Jan-18-05 04:06 PM |
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Fertilization doesn't take place until a few days after intercourse |
gollygee |
Jan-18-05 04:10 PM |
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Your planned parenthood link is exactly what we've been saying |
lwfern |
Jan-18-05 04:26 PM |
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I'm saying that all of these sites |
Randers |
Jan-18-05 04:30 PM |
#128 |
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I'll give you credit where it's due |
lwfern |
Jan-18-05 04:32 PM |
#129 |
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So you see this as an absolute? |
Randers |
Jan-18-05 04:41 PM |
#130 |
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I'm sure what you believe with no medical knowledge is better than |
gollygee |
Jan-18-05 04:44 PM |
#131 |
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here's a study for you |
Randers |
Jan-18-05 05:22 PM |
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1997 |
gollygee |
Jan-18-05 05:30 PM |
#135 |
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The other study I linked to was a 2002 study. |
Randers |
Jan-18-05 06:08 PM |
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When I do an internet search of the study's author's names |
gollygee |
Jan-18-05 06:51 PM |
#148 |
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The similar problem that I had |
Randers |
Jan-18-05 07:45 PM |
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self-deleted |
Randers |
Jan-18-05 08:16 PM |
#158 |
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Yes, I see it as an absolute |
lwfern |
Jan-18-05 04:49 PM |
#132 |
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studies on tubal fluid |
LisaLL |
Jan-18-05 06:59 PM |
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If you don't want to be dismissed as a nut |
lwfern |
Jan-18-05 03:32 PM |
#114 |
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I would be happy to see evidence |
Randers |
Jan-18-05 03:51 PM |
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Did you read the links? |
lwfern |
Jan-18-05 04:00 PM |
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It still says "The _main_ way an IUD works" |
Randers |
Jan-18-05 04:09 PM |
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Check my edit. |
lwfern |
Jan-18-05 04:13 PM |
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too bad they don't actually link |
Randers |
Jan-18-05 04:28 PM |
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Yes, I think we should all |
prolesunited |
Jan-18-05 05:34 PM |
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It appears that a person could find studies |
Randers |
Jan-18-05 06:16 PM |
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If it's an issue for somebody |
lwfern |
Jan-18-05 06:55 PM |
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Research studies are not created equal |
LisaLL |
Jan-18-05 07:16 PM |
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It could also be the start of a pregnancy....eom |
Randers |
Jan-18-05 01:24 PM |
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There was a lot more blood loss |
Randers |
Jan-18-05 01:17 PM |
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that's a common side effect |
lwfern |
Jan-18-05 01:20 PM |
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Your source is 8 years old. |
lwfern |
Jan-18-05 01:07 PM |
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my main source |
Randers |
Jan-18-05 01:10 PM |
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Which is by definition biased |
gollygee |
Jan-18-05 01:14 PM |
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And I suppose |
Randers |
Jan-18-05 01:19 PM |
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The scientific method is used to avoid bias |
gollygee |
Jan-18-05 01:21 PM |
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I think I'm pregnant |
prolesunited |
Jan-18-05 01:43 PM |
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Faith-based medicine |
lwfern |
Jan-18-05 01:19 PM |
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I'm fine with evolution. |
Randers |
Jan-18-05 01:21 PM |
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Another illogical conclusion |
lwfern |
Jan-18-05 01:25 PM |
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It's a medical fact |
lwfern |
Jan-18-05 01:06 PM |
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As Monty Python put it: |
ashiebr |
Jan-18-05 08:27 AM |
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Yeah, right |
Feathered Fish |
Jan-18-05 08:27 AM |
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What a bunch of BS. |
NoStinkinBadges |
Jan-18-05 08:28 AM |
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That was a convenient bit of |
dolo amber |
Jan-18-05 08:29 AM |
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Here's another point |
demnan |
Jan-18-05 08:38 AM |
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Exactly! |
moobu2 |
Jan-18-05 08:48 AM |
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Exactly...US is 24th in infant mortality...bad for a wealthy developed |
nothingshocksmeanymore |
Jan-18-05 09:41 AM |
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Yes the religious right will try to outlaw contraception |
gollygee |
Jan-18-05 08:46 AM |
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Well, since dildo's etc are also illegal in some states |
Kber |
Jan-18-05 11:26 AM |
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Do you have a list of the states, my wife has two of them, LMFAO. |
sarcasmo |
Jan-18-05 01:40 PM |
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The term abortion is never used in the Bible, although it existed |
ehrnst |
Jan-18-05 08:55 AM |
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The Vatican's been doing it for ages |
spunky |
Jan-18-05 09:04 AM |
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Pregnancy is a form of abortion |
minerva50 |
Jan-18-05 09:17 AM |
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Nothing to discuss, the pill is an abortifacient. |
patcox2 |
Jan-18-05 09:28 AM |
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No it's not! |
Mandate My Ass |
Jan-18-05 10:55 AM |
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Okay, it isn't Always, but it still is, and can be, anytime. |
patcox2 |
Jan-18-05 12:29 PM |
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She is misreading the scripture. Tell her that... |
tjwash |
Jan-18-05 09:31 AM |
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But what about the virgin birth? |
ArkDem |
Jan-18-05 09:35 AM |
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Which one? |
JanMichael |
Jan-18-05 09:47 AM |
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No one knows if the rock was virgin or not. |
ArkDem |
Jan-18-05 10:41 AM |
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So whats her point with that verse |
cags |
Jan-18-05 09:39 AM |
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Huge difference. |
coloradodem2005 |
Jan-18-05 09:51 AM |
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Dumb Dumb Dumb..... |
txaslftist |
Jan-18-05 09:56 AM |
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No, everything we do in fact brings about what is preordained. |
patcox2 |
Jan-18-05 12:33 PM |
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I'm not arguing against predestination...just stupidity. |
txaslftist |
Jan-18-05 12:44 PM |
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I agree, opposing contraception is stupid, thats why we should let them. |
patcox2 |
Jan-18-05 03:01 PM |
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Hmm....first abortion, then birth control, then masturbation, then |
MsTryska |
Jan-18-05 10:56 AM |
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Then so's male masturbation... |
BiggJawn |
Jan-18-05 10:56 AM |
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AFTER they overturn Roe vs. Wade? |
lwfern |
Jan-18-05 11:22 AM |
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Yeah, it's a multi-pronged attack... |
BiggJawn |
Jan-18-05 12:22 PM |
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That's just the beginning |
lwfern |
Jan-18-05 12:29 PM |
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If God wants me knocked up |
LeftyMom |
Jan-18-05 12:36 PM |
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The single most misquoted verse in the Bible |
DrGonzoLives |
Jan-18-05 12:46 PM |
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I was just going to say that Doc! |
Greybnk48 |
Jan-18-05 01:03 PM |
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Furthermore |
DrGonzoLives |
Jan-18-05 12:55 PM |
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It is the height of arrogance to think you can thwart God's will... |
Liberal Veteran |
Jan-18-05 01:03 PM |
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LOL that's the best response I've heard yet |
gollygee |
Jan-18-05 01:06 PM |
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This chart seems more balanced than other things I've seen... |
Randers |
Jan-18-05 01:04 PM |
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If the Christian god is omniscient, then he would have known all of us |
pschoeb |
Jan-18-05 01:08 PM |
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Then menstruation must be stopped too! |
seafey |
Jan-18-05 01:10 PM |
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I propose monthly religious ceremonies |
Greybnk48 |
Jan-18-05 01:16 PM |
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And we should also make women sacrifice a dove to atone. |
Liberal Veteran |
Jan-18-05 01:18 PM |
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By having my period, we missed out on Hitler Redux |
Nobody |
Jan-18-05 08:59 PM |
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Oh, now that's just sad. |
arwalden |
Jan-18-05 01:26 PM |
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Pro-lifer here, I don't have a problem with contraception |
ThorsHammer |
Jan-18-05 01:32 PM |
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Then is whacking off a form of abortion? |
sarcasmo |
Jan-18-05 01:35 PM |
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"It takes two sperm to make a baby?" |
Bat Boy |
Jan-18-05 05:28 PM |
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Wow, and I'm carrying MILLIONS around in a very vulnerable place. |
asthmaticeog |
Jan-18-05 05:33 PM |
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Don't let 'em get together. |
Bat Boy |
Jan-18-05 05:37 PM |
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But think of the shit I could get away with if I bore a god-child! |
asthmaticeog |
Jan-18-05 05:40 PM |
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You've never been laid have you? |
HEyHEY |
Jan-18-05 06:36 PM |
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If their God is as powerful as they say he is |
donheld |
Jan-18-05 01:43 PM |
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Not having sex is a form of abortion. |
Zenlitened |
Jan-18-05 01:45 PM |
#107 |
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I agree! If we don't all start f**king everything that moves, we risk... |
Liberal Veteran |
Jan-18-05 02:02 PM |
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If you interpret it THAT way... |
DireStrike |
Jan-18-05 02:56 PM |
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any lustful thought that doesn't lead in childbirth is abortion |
cheezus |
Jan-18-05 03:43 PM |
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In that passage |
SemperEadem |
Jan-18-05 03:55 PM |
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Sperm have rights !!!!!!! |
EVDebs |
Jan-18-05 04:20 PM |
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Every sperm is sacred |
jesusq |
Jan-18-05 06:54 PM |
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In a sense it is. |
quaker bill |
Jan-18-05 05:35 PM |
#138 |
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I always interpreted this passage to be |
OnionPatch |
Jan-18-05 06:17 PM |
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Contraception is a form of choice |
slutticus |
Jan-18-05 06:20 PM |
#145 |
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Masturbation is genocide! |
jesusq |
Jan-18-05 06:51 PM |
#149 |
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I take that passage to mean |
Truth Hurts A Lot |
Jan-18-05 06:55 PM |
#151 |
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They want to control passion... |
Orsino |
Jan-18-05 07:03 PM |
#154 |
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Abstinence is a form of fetus murder! Selfish virgins! |
Generic Other |
Jan-18-05 08:20 PM |
#159 |
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