Reply #212: Please, just read my post without prejudging me for once

[K-W]

-dont change the discussion. Im not saying that everything is a rights violation, but clearly something need not involve physical force to violate rights as you suggested. (btw you put words in my mouth here if you are keeping score)

-Erm, losing ground? I doubt it. As I have already made clear, I dont think all instances of the ten commandments in public places are wrong. I think they are wrong in cases like alabama, where they are clearly a religious monument, not historical or artistic. Thus my use of that example.

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1. (oo putting words in my mouth again weeee) I never said that you wanted people to not be able to practice religion. I said that you want to force your religion on me by placing it in secular governmental locations. I wont apologize for something I didnt say.

2. Umm, the thing is you are using the word art to oversimplify the issue, as if this was all just about innocent art. That is a petty ploy. As I have stated, I think that religious art is perfectly fine. I have no problem with governmental money supporting the display of religious art in art museums. If we are talking art we agree. I disagree with your use of art as an umbrella term to include monuments that were explicitly crafted and placed to represent religious values.

3. Your statements that municipalities should be able to put up whatever they want runs contrary to the founding principles of this country. The point of rights is that even the majority cant overide them.

-Seeing something is indeed a violation of my rights. If all government buildings were inscribed in large type saying "The God of Abraham is the One True God" you dont think that would be a violation of religious rights? It would in fact just involve seeing something. Governement endorsement of religion really is only about seeing things.

-You are very much exagerating the numbers/influence/evil motives of "anti-theists"

-Ooo, way to take my wage example and twist it. The point is that if a group fights for equality and gets equality, that group isnt being favored. Thus if a group fights for religious equality, and gets it, it isnt being favored.

But thanks for grossly missing the comparison.