Reply #57: Hey Pallas

[StandUpGuy]

So much to say and ask since your last reply. Sorry it’s taken so long.

First I’d like to talk about your martyrdom argument re: Kerry's Mea Culpa.


Note to Mods….This next discussion comes from the following and in no way promotes anything other than our Politicians telling U.S. the truth.

From Thread 9


“ If Kerry got up in front of the American people, lets says at the debates and laid it all out, apologized to the American people and the world for having PARTICIPATED in the development of a new world order and the support of the on going actions in advancing the NWO agenda. If he started naming names and connecting dots that he has as a United States Senator overseen if not directly participated in.

Full mea culpa.

If he pledged to start by locking up every known criminal in this cabal and investigate everyone else. If he promised to deliver real foreign aid to try and relive suffering aboard while using forfeited profits of the criminal regime to rebuilt the social safety net at home.

Yes he might get shot.
Yes his plane might crash.

But you surmise it would accomplish nothing. “



You talked about the fallout from the deaths of great moral and spiritual leader’s before they had reached there potential.

While I agree 100% with your characterizations of MLK and Malcolm X, and even to an extent RFK, I don’t think it is valid to throw either JFK1 or JFK2 into that group.

Here's why...

MLK and Malcolm X (not sure if you included him but I will) we're true Martyrs in the sense that they were not tainted by the powers they opposed. You would have a hard time arguing that MLK was in bed with or benefited from the tools of oppression he so fought.

JFK on the other hand, while idolized and canonized in death was actually part of the system and benefited from the system he later railed against.

The latest JFK falls into the same category in my opinion. If you have been part of a criminal enterprise and have a fit of conscience, come clean, or change your ways, you are not considered a martyr if you get whacked in a reprisal killing or an attempt to further silence you. You are brave, courageous and may even be absolved of your sins, but you are not a martyr.

If you are suddenly taken from us, while a huge loss, your mea culpa served the greater good and provided ammunition for those untainted by the original sin that fight to restore honor.

Martin Luther king Jr's murder was, like you described a true tragedy and waste of potential. However this brings me to the second part of your argument, that the deaths disenchanted people and ultimately hurt the cause.

While I agree that any great leader being removed from the battle during the fiercest fights can be demoralizing and the ultimate test of will. I believe that it also crystallizes the struggle and sets a new minimum standard for peace.

The Martyr can never submit to compromise.

There are no words that MLK spoke that allowed for compromise in the struggle for civil rights.

Our leader has spoken and he told us to fight!

This has nothing to do with the Plame case except tangentially but I does help us focus our efforts in my opinion.

At the start of the Vietnam War there were brave people that were called heroes by the American left. They stood up and spoke truth to power decrying the war as a criminal, immoral enterprise designed to profit the same people that profit today.

The people were vocal, active and driven. The information was there for people who cared to find it and learn. These people were the heroes of the American left.

Today our hero is a man that was uninformed enough to volunteer to fight in Vietnam

We have also decided that this Right Wing administration is so bad that ANYBODY BUT BUSH must be better.

I think it can be said that in order to save any CHANCE of a liberal left of center domestic social agenda we will ABANDON anything resembling a left of center foreign policy.

This might be rationalized away ad nausea, but it highlights my number one concern in our fight.

Are the American people willing to be bribed with domestic social handout to comply with a corporate elite foreign policy?


The development of this thread in content and information had increased exponentially as the thread count has grown.

However the contributors have dwindled instead of multiplying as would be expected when such information is made easily accessible.

There are many factors at play here but three I think need to be Our focus when trying to fight this.

1. The New World Order fight has been placed in the hands of whackos that are more concerned in proving alien demonic motives then stopping the problems now. This is not an accident it is designed to discredit the discussion much like any 9/11 dissent.

2. Once the Magnitude of the problem is revealed a feeling impotence descends on those less prepared to deal with it or those more invested in the current system.

3. Many in the left believe in one world government and are conflicted about how to fight corruption in a system that hasn't been officially recognized.


Many on the left, including my self believe that global issues can't be solved locally, and bilateral negotiation hasn't delivered the changes necessary. However economic Imperialism hasn’t worked either.

I think many on the left watch the global elite build the infrastructure for a global government based on Imperial capitalism and totalitarianism and hope that once built it can be turned into a house of the holy and we will on day see Proportional Representation globally.

This means the dirt poor subsistence farmer in Somalia has an equal vote, and say as a Texas oil tycoon.

We need a huge cultural shift to achieve this, but I think it’s possible if we start to calmly appraise the situation and identify the perpetrators.

The Builderberg List is the starting point IMO.

I think we should each Take the name of a member from our home country and do a little research on them and post the results.

Then we should help each other make bullet type fliers with the key points.
Who these people are
Who they are connected to.
What they are up to.

Once each profile is complete we can make fliers and distribute them publicly. (Best to leave them to be discovered rather than personally hand them out in my opinion but what ever)

I would love to hear other suggestion of ways we can start to personalize these people who try and stay in the shadows and intimidate us with there 100 story skyscrapers.

Thanks for your time.