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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-23-04 09:25 PM
Response to Reply #74
107. Maybe you can exercise a little intellectual honesty
Edited on Tue Mar-23-04 09:25 PM by HFishbine
by telling us just who is asserting that all struggles are the same? Just who are the people you accuse of pulling a philisophically lazy trick? You must have an example, right? Surely you aren't resorting to some intellectually lazy assumption or unfounded prejudice.
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  -Black Clergy Rally Against Gay Marriage doubles  Mar-23-04 08:12 PM   #0 
  - ill agree to a certain extent  historian   Mar-23-04 08:19 PM   #1 
  - Oh, really?  robnycny   Mar-23-04 08:20 PM   #2 
  - How did they know you were gay, did you tell them?  doubles   Mar-23-04 08:28 PM   #11 
     - Ohhhhh, so it's their OWN fault that they're being discriminated against?  MadProphetMargin   Mar-23-04 08:30 PM   #13 
     - All I can say is that  dsc   Mar-23-04 08:33 PM   #15 
     - I think I need so help  Scottie72   Mar-23-04 08:36 PM   #18 
     - My point is blacks do not have that CHOICE!!!!!!!!!!! nt  doubles   Mar-23-04 08:40 PM   #22 
        - Are you suggesting that Gays DO? Are you suggesting that it MATTERS?  MadProphetMargin   Mar-23-04 08:42 PM   #25 
        - If it is a choice...  Sulldogg   Mar-23-04 08:44 PM   #29 
        - Not at all. Gays, even if they HAVE/HAD a choice, have the right to be  MadProphetMargin   Mar-23-04 08:45 PM   #30 
           - This is going to get flamed  Sulldogg   Mar-23-04 08:51 PM   #44 
              - Your boss has a reasonable interest, if you tell him to  MadProphetMargin   Mar-23-04 08:55 PM   #50 
              - Remember  Sulldogg   Mar-23-04 08:58 PM   #56 
                 - Easy. Does that choice interfere with your life, or the life of a  MadProphetMargin   Mar-23-04 09:00 PM   #57 
                    - So  Sulldogg   Mar-23-04 09:11 PM   #83 
                    - Um, that WOULD directly affect the people in question.  MadProphetMargin   Mar-23-04 09:13 PM   #87 
                       - Can you fire anybody?  Sulldogg   Mar-23-04 09:29 PM   #113 
                          - If you have objective cause. Otherwise, you're gonna get sued...  MadProphetMargin   Mar-23-04 09:32 PM   #116 
                             - Define objective cause  Sulldogg   Mar-23-04 09:35 PM   #122 
                                - Sure, provided that the cause of those actions is the action of the  MadProphetMargin   Mar-23-04 09:38 PM   #129 
                                   - Aren't I punishing them  Sulldogg   Mar-23-04 09:41 PM   #134 
                                      - Ah ha!  HFishbine   Mar-23-04 09:47 PM   #139 
                                      - If..  Sulldogg   Mar-23-04 10:02 PM   #143 
                                      - Bigotry is not a crime  HFishbine   Mar-23-04 10:05 PM   #144 
                                      - IF I have to fire one  Sulldogg   Mar-23-04 10:07 PM   #145 
                                      - Why?  HFishbine   Mar-23-04 10:18 PM   #148 
                                      - Listen  Sulldogg   Mar-23-04 10:21 PM   #149 
                                      - It's quite clear  HFishbine   Mar-23-04 10:29 PM   #150 
                                      - Assuming there were no overt acts  Sulldogg   Mar-23-04 10:34 PM   #151 
                                      - You're still avoiding a key part of your example.  HFishbine   Mar-23-04 10:56 PM   #156 
                                      - Fine  Sulldogg   Mar-23-04 11:26 PM   #157 
                                      - See ya  HFishbine   Mar-24-04 06:54 AM   #161 
                    - Even easier  HFishbine   Mar-23-04 09:20 PM   #98 
                       - We're defining jurisprudence  Sulldogg   Mar-23-04 09:22 PM   #100 
              - You have a choice  HFishbine   Mar-23-04 09:20 PM   #96 
        - My friend, read the context, I am NOT suggesting that Gays have a CHOICE,  doubles   Mar-23-04 08:49 PM   #37 
        - Why should I have to hide who I am  God_bush_n_cheney   Mar-23-04 08:50 PM   #40 
        - So, if a mixed Black/White looks White, he should HIDE the fact that  MadProphetMargin   Mar-23-04 08:51 PM   #43 
        - I am not suggesting that anyone hide anything!  doubles   Mar-23-04 08:58 PM   #55 
           - Then why are you against Gays struggling for their rights? What makes you  MadProphetMargin   Mar-23-04 09:03 PM   #62 
           - Do me a favor  Sulldogg   Mar-23-04 09:07 PM   #74 
           - The struggles for human rights ARE the same struggle, troll.  MadProphetMargin   Mar-23-04 09:10 PM   #79 
           - Where  Sulldogg   Mar-23-04 09:13 PM   #85 
              - Correction: Community.  MadProphetMargin   Mar-23-04 09:16 PM   #90 
                 - This thread  Sulldogg   Mar-23-04 09:24 PM   #104 
           - Maybe you can exercise a little intellectual honesty  HFishbine   Mar-23-04 09:25 PM   #107 
              - That would be me. The motives of all these struggles ARE the same...  MadProphetMargin   Mar-23-04 09:29 PM   #112 
                 - The distinction  HFishbine   Mar-23-04 09:32 PM   #117 
                    - Well, obviously the events are different...but the CAUSE is the same.  MadProphetMargin   Mar-23-04 09:33 PM   #120 
           - I guess the same way that Jewish people get upset when the HOLOCAUST  doubles   Mar-23-04 09:10 PM   #78 
              - Heh. Look who's talking about "putting words in peoples' mouths"  MadProphetMargin   Mar-23-04 09:12 PM   #84 
              - There you go again!!!!  doubles   Mar-23-04 09:16 PM   #91 
                 - Yep. It DOESN'T seem to mean much to you.  MadProphetMargin   Mar-23-04 09:20 PM   #95 
              - Guess what buddy  Yemp4734   Mar-23-04 11:29 PM   #158 
           - While I don't volunteer it  dsc   Mar-23-04 09:09 PM   #77 
        - Blacks have a choice too  WhereIsMyFreedom   Mar-23-04 10:47 PM   #154 
        - Give me a break, where did I stomp on Gays?  doubles   Mar-23-04 09:05 PM   #69 
           - You just answered your own question. Somehow, inferring that Gays are  MadProphetMargin   Mar-23-04 09:08 PM   #75 
              - So only Jewish people have a right not to have their struggle and the  doubles   Mar-23-04 09:15 PM   #88 
                 - Nope. Never said that. Nice try. Please point out where I did.  MadProphetMargin   Mar-23-04 09:19 PM   #94 
                 - There you go again.....  doubles   Mar-23-04 09:37 PM   #125 
                    - Nope. Just wondering why you suddenly feel the need to drag a  MadProphetMargin   Mar-23-04 09:42 PM   #135 
                 - God Dam That Passion movie was fucking GREAT!!  rednek_Liberal   Mar-23-04 09:53 PM   #142 
        - Neither do I  Scottie72   Mar-23-04 08:42 PM   #26 
        - A hypothetical question  HFishbine   Mar-23-04 09:18 PM   #93 
        - Doesn't matter  kiahzero   Mar-23-04 09:29 PM   #111 
     - Yikes.  robnycny   Mar-23-04 08:42 PM   #23 
     - dupe  corporatewhore   Mar-23-04 08:53 PM   #46 
     - hmm transgender folk are discriminated against based on their looks  corporatewhore   Mar-23-04 08:54 PM   #49 
  - Crap. I fail to see any difference at all. Two groups, looking for the  MadProphetMargin   Mar-23-04 08:22 PM   #3 
  - Civil rights is not about  Scottie72   Mar-23-04 08:22 PM   #4 
  - This is the correct answer.  MadProphetMargin   Mar-23-04 08:23 PM   #5 
  - Taking a bow....  Scottie72   Mar-23-04 08:25 PM   #8 
  - BTW: If you work for the government, you CAN be fired.  MadProphetMargin   Mar-23-04 08:24 PM   #6 
  - Yes I am well aware of that  Scottie72   Mar-23-04 08:26 PM   #9 
     - These bigotted snapperheads think their time has come. As for Black  MadProphetMargin   Mar-23-04 08:29 PM   #12 
  - well said  historian   Mar-23-04 08:25 PM   #7 
  - So why do some Jewish people get upset when the HOLOCAUST  doubles   Mar-23-04 10:36 PM   #153 
  - Isn't the fight for civil rights in the black community  Droopy   Mar-23-04 08:27 PM   #10 
  - Personally  Sulldogg   Mar-23-04 08:37 PM   #19 
     - Once again, we come round to the "who suffered more" argument, which  MadProphetMargin   Mar-23-04 08:39 PM   #20 
     - Where did I mention  Sulldogg   Mar-23-04 08:43 PM   #27 
        - No, it's still just discrimination. Still ignorant bullshyt.  MadProphetMargin   Mar-23-04 08:47 PM   #33 
           - Good job  Sulldogg   Mar-23-04 08:53 PM   #47 
              - How could I address those concerns? I'm not Black, nor is the Gay issue  MadProphetMargin   Mar-23-04 08:56 PM   #53 
                 - My post  Sulldogg   Mar-23-04 09:00 PM   #58 
                    - Oh, so you're a troll. Never mind.  MadProphetMargin   Mar-23-04 09:03 PM   #65 
     - So now  Scottie72   Mar-23-04 08:42 PM   #24 
     - WRONG  Sulldogg   Mar-23-04 08:46 PM   #31 
        - well  Scottie72   Mar-23-04 08:50 PM   #41 
           - Those are choices...  Sulldogg   Mar-23-04 08:56 PM   #52 
     - But that is not always the case.  foreigncorrespondent   Mar-23-04 08:48 PM   #34 
        - Did you CHOOSE to be a lesbian?  Droopy   Mar-23-04 08:51 PM   #42 
           - No, it doesn't. That alleged CHOICE is that person's RIGHT, at least  MadProphetMargin   Mar-23-04 08:53 PM   #45 
           - Please explain  Sulldogg   Mar-23-04 09:01 PM   #61 
           - Well, trollboi, take a gander at it yourself:  MadProphetMargin   Mar-23-04 09:05 PM   #68 
              - Please  Sulldogg   Mar-23-04 09:16 PM   #89 
                 - Simple. The fact that a Gay person is Gay, "practicing" or not, does not  MadProphetMargin   Mar-23-04 09:22 PM   #102 
                    - I support Affirmative Action  Sulldogg   Mar-23-04 09:25 PM   #108 
                       - That's a whole different can o' worms. Best to start a new thread on it.  MadProphetMargin   Mar-23-04 09:31 PM   #114 
                          - Agreed  Sulldogg   Mar-23-04 09:37 PM   #124 
           - It is my assertion that homosexuality is not a choice  Droopy   Mar-23-04 09:03 PM   #64 
              - The WHY ask your question?  foreigncorrespondent   Mar-23-04 09:06 PM   #70 
                 - It gets to the heart of the matter because  Droopy   Mar-23-04 09:09 PM   #76 
                    - But Droopy!!!!  foreigncorrespondent   Mar-23-04 09:11 PM   #81 
                       - How is asking you if you chose to be a lesbian offensive?  Droopy   Mar-23-04 09:17 PM   #92 
                          - Oh boy!  foreigncorrespondent   Mar-23-04 09:20 PM   #97 
                             - Heavans forbid I emphasise a word to try and get a point across  Droopy   Mar-23-04 09:27 PM   #109 
                             - Then you need to take into account...  foreigncorrespondent   Mar-23-04 09:32 PM   #115 
                                - This entire thread  God_bush_n_cheney   Mar-23-04 09:35 PM   #121 
                                - You hang in there my friend.  foreigncorrespondent   Mar-23-04 09:37 PM   #126 
                                - Don't let 'em get ya down, GBnC.  MadProphetMargin   Mar-23-04 09:37 PM   #127 
                                   - Unfortunately MPM...  foreigncorrespondent   Mar-23-04 09:41 PM   #133 
                                - I'm not skirting around my own words  Droopy   Mar-23-04 09:39 PM   #130 
                                   - And you know what?  foreigncorrespondent   Mar-23-04 09:43 PM   #136 
                             - You're misreading him  HFishbine   Mar-23-04 09:46 PM   #138 
                                - Thank you  Droopy   Mar-23-04 09:51 PM   #140 
                                - Excuse me...  foreigncorrespondent   Mar-23-04 10:08 PM   #146 
                                   - I agree  HFishbine   Mar-23-04 10:35 PM   #152 
           - Tell me bucko!!!!  foreigncorrespondent   Mar-23-04 08:57 PM   #54 
              - I wasn't attacking you  Droopy   Mar-23-04 09:01 PM   #59 
                 - Oh BULLSHIT!!!  foreigncorrespondent   Mar-23-04 09:03 PM   #63 
                    - Please tell me how I attacked you  Droopy   Mar-23-04 09:04 PM   #67 
                       - Just go back and take a look at what you said...  foreigncorrespondent   Mar-23-04 09:07 PM   #73 
                          - I had no intentions of offending or attacking you.  Droopy   Mar-23-04 09:10 PM   #80 
                             - Then you NEED to really think...  foreigncorrespondent   Mar-23-04 09:13 PM   #86 
                                - I still don't understand how what I did was offensive  Droopy   Mar-23-04 09:23 PM   #103 
                                   - The I cannot help you.  foreigncorrespondent   Mar-23-04 09:25 PM   #106 
  - It's the principles that count. Gays are comparing their struggle with  Solomon   Mar-23-04 08:32 PM   #14 
  - Far as I know, the only one who said ANYTHING about it in the bible  MadProphetMargin   Mar-23-04 08:35 PM   #17 
  - Paul and all those Black Clergy which is the subject of this thread,  Solomon   Mar-23-04 08:48 PM   #36 
  - Well, they need to keep their beliefs out of MY government.  MadProphetMargin   Mar-23-04 08:50 PM   #38 
  - That would be what I call Paul...  God_bush_n_cheney   Mar-23-04 09:01 PM   #60 
     - Yep. Jesus was barely COLD when that creep tried to pervert everything  MadProphetMargin   Mar-23-04 09:07 PM   #72 
  - i'm for gay rights, but I also don't like the comparison to the civil  Used and Abused   Mar-23-04 10:56 PM   #155 
  - You must not understand  HFishbine   Mar-23-04 08:34 PM   #16 
  - BUt as we all know...  Sulldogg   Mar-23-04 08:40 PM   #21 
     - Horse. Shyt.  MadProphetMargin   Mar-23-04 08:43 PM   #28 
        - It is the law of the land..... n/t  Sulldogg   Mar-23-04 08:46 PM   #32 
           - It doesn't apply in this case. The State has NO compelling interest  MadProphetMargin   Mar-23-04 08:48 PM   #35 
              - I agree  Sulldogg   Mar-23-04 09:21 PM   #99 
                 - So, suddenly, it's okay to discriminate legally, if the majority agrees?  MadProphetMargin   Mar-23-04 09:24 PM   #105 
                    - All I'm saying  Sulldogg   Mar-23-04 09:33 PM   #119 
                       - That's nice. George Wallace tried to say the same thing.  MadProphetMargin   Mar-23-04 09:36 PM   #123 
                          - My partner and I have been together  God_bush_n_cheney   Mar-23-04 09:38 PM   #128 
                          - Congradulations!!!!  Scottie72   Mar-23-04 09:44 PM   #137 
                          - Do not associate  Sulldogg   Mar-23-04 09:40 PM   #131 
  - I have another issue with this matter:  dirk   Mar-23-04 08:50 PM   #39 
  - You can take out the word "alleged" in your post. The African  Solomon   Mar-23-04 09:06 PM   #71 
     - So my thread earlier is salient to this discussion...  God_bush_n_cheney   Mar-23-04 09:11 PM   #82 
     - This is the correct answer. Either you are FOR human rights, in total, or  MadProphetMargin   Mar-23-04 09:28 PM   #110 
     - Solomon  dirk   Mar-23-04 09:22 PM   #101 
        - I am African American. And I will tell you. Intellectually, the black  Solomon   Mar-23-04 09:40 PM   #132 
  - Perhaps I should just slit my wrists now...  God_bush_n_cheney   Mar-23-04 08:53 PM   #48 
  - Doubles, I hate to tell you, but...  foreigncorrespondent   Mar-23-04 08:56 PM   #51 
  - Civil rights are civil rights  kiahzero   Mar-23-04 09:04 PM   #66 
  - What is different is that it is socially acceptable to be homophobic  corporatewhore   Mar-23-04 09:33 PM   #118 
  - Rights aren't rights if they can be taken away for any or no reason  dsc   Mar-23-04 09:52 PM   #141 
  - While we undesirables sit around and argue over who is the biggest victim  QC   Mar-23-04 10:09 PM   #147 
  - the Right busily makes its plans to destroy us all....  Karenina   Mar-24-04 06:59 AM   #162 
     - You're quite right.  QC   Mar-24-04 08:56 AM   #163 
  - You know who my heart goes out to?  gator_in_Ontario   Mar-24-04 06:39 AM   #159 
  - doubles  DennisReveni   Mar-24-04 06:46 AM   #160 
  - "where is the anger at Bill Clinton "  God_bush_n_cheney   Mar-24-04 09:13 AM   #165 
  - Equality under the law = "knee jerk liberalism."  QC   Mar-24-04 09:26 AM   #167 
  - Doubles, no one has said that the black experience is exactly the same  QC   Mar-24-04 08:59 AM   #164 
  - you are apparently unaware that gay people have been  xchrom   Mar-24-04 09:13 AM   #166 
  - So in that vein  Djinn   Mar-24-04 06:35 PM   #168 
 

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