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Edited on Tue Feb-24-04 09:02 PM by teknomanzer
The name mentioned by Seutonius was 'Chrestus' not Christos. And Chrestus was in fact a common name. http://www.tektonics.org/tekton_01_01_01_ST.html Added a link for ya'll... since no one else want to back up thier stuff. |
| -Am I the only one here who thinks the 'crucifixion of jesus' is a myth? |
mike1963 |
Feb-24-04 06:06 PM |
#0 |
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I agree with your dislike of the way Jesus is marketed |
wryter2000 |
Feb-24-04 06:07 PM |
#1 |
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Umm |
DennisReveni |
Feb-24-04 06:16 PM |
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Hmmm ... interesting line .... |
white_rider |
Feb-24-04 06:20 PM |
#26 |
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The Messiah was prophesied |
kcwayne |
Feb-24-04 08:21 PM |
#102 |
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Hardly mentioned by Paul, either |
Axel |
Feb-24-04 08:36 PM |
#117 |
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Albigensians was the usual name given to the heretics, especially |
HighTide |
Feb-24-04 08:22 PM |
#103 |
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Hunted down by the Inquisition and abandoned by the nobles |
HighTide |
Feb-24-04 08:28 PM |
#105 |
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Aren't they the Priory of Sion? |
Screaming Lord Byron |
Feb-24-04 08:36 PM |
#116 |
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They believed in 'living love' and didn't believe in Crucifixes. |
Screaming Lord Byron |
Feb-24-04 08:29 PM |
#107 |
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more |
HighTide |
Feb-24-04 08:38 PM |
#118 |
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It is believed that after the fall of Montsegur in 1244 |
Screaming Lord Byron |
Feb-24-04 08:43 PM |
#122 |
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Could be poor record keeping. |
snippy |
Feb-24-04 06:21 PM |
#29 |
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I could swear Seutonius makes reference to it in |
Cat Atomic |
Feb-24-04 06:22 PM |
#30 |
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That only tells us that |
Dookus |
Feb-24-04 07:12 PM |
#71 |
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Seutonius was writing about Claudius' reign (41-54 AD). |
Cat Atomic |
Feb-24-04 07:56 PM |
#90 |
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I'll clarify |
Dookus |
Feb-24-04 08:02 PM |
#92 |
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If you like. |
Cat Atomic |
Feb-24-04 08:12 PM |
#95 |
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besides that... |
teknomanzer |
Feb-24-04 08:12 PM |
#96 |
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That I've never heard. |
Cat Atomic |
Feb-24-04 08:14 PM |
#98 |
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Sorry, "Christ" isn't a name, but a title |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Feb-24-04 08:45 PM |
#125 |
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No you are wrong... |
teknomanzer |
Feb-24-04 08:59 PM |
#132 |
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Again, I'd like to see something to back that up. |
Cat Atomic |
Feb-24-04 09:01 PM |
#134 |
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More for 'Chrestus' |
teknomanzer |
Feb-24-04 09:06 PM |
#139 |
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Got it. |
Cat Atomic |
Feb-24-04 09:08 PM |
#140 |
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Ah- I take it back. |
Cat Atomic |
Feb-24-04 09:05 PM |
#138 |
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I went through a whole period... |
teknomanzer |
Feb-24-04 09:16 PM |
#148 |
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Seutonius was born in 69 CE |
kcwayne |
Feb-24-04 08:13 PM |
#97 |
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Sure it is. |
Cat Atomic |
Feb-24-04 08:29 PM |
#106 |
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Obviously someone had to mention Jesus, or Christianity would not exist |
kcwayne |
Feb-24-04 08:43 PM |
#123 |
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Well, personally, I think it's the stories of miracles and fame that |
Cat Atomic |
Feb-24-04 08:47 PM |
#126 |
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So I am not following your position |
kcwayne |
Feb-24-04 09:21 PM |
#152 |
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You're assuming a religious argument. |
Cat Atomic |
Feb-24-04 09:39 PM |
#164 |
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Uh, he was known far and wide in a radius of fifty miles |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Feb-24-04 08:47 PM |
#127 |
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I am not claiming he was known far and wide, but the Gospels say he was |
kcwayne |
Feb-24-04 09:11 PM |
#144 |
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The early Christians were not into leaving stone tablets |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Feb-24-04 09:21 PM |
#151 |
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Deny evidence all you want,, I don't care |
kcwayne |
Feb-24-04 09:34 PM |
#160 |
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Very passionate argument indeed... |
teknomanzer |
Feb-24-04 09:36 PM |
#161 |
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Records from that period are actually pretty good |
starroute |
Feb-24-04 09:37 PM |
#162 |
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"Just" 80 years? |
stopbush |
Feb-25-04 02:41 AM |
#178 |
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Its worse than that |
kcwayne |
Feb-25-04 07:21 AM |
#181 |
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Might be some dental records someplace. |
oneighty |
Feb-24-04 06:55 PM |
#58 |
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Payroll records? |
LiberalFighter |
Feb-24-04 08:25 PM |
#104 |
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good one! |
dionysus |
Feb-24-04 08:40 PM |
#119 |
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Sorry friend but you are wrong... |
teknomanzer |
Feb-24-04 06:38 PM |
#47 |
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You Wanna See Marketing? |
Crisco |
Feb-24-04 08:43 PM |
#121 |
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Hmmm. Something tells me this thread may get a wee bit heated. |
Screaming Lord Byron |
Feb-24-04 06:08 PM |
#2 |
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All the while... |
LoZoccolo |
Feb-24-04 06:11 PM |
#5 |
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Give it 50 posts. It'll have everything to do with politics by then. |
Screaming Lord Byron |
Feb-24-04 06:13 PM |
#10 |
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By 40 it should have the word "fundy" or "fundies" in it. |
LoZoccolo |
Feb-24-04 06:15 PM |
#15 |
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We don't need a bet, it's a scientific fact! |
Screaming Lord Byron |
Feb-24-04 06:16 PM |
#18 |
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Ha...not counting mine of course. |
LoZoccolo |
Feb-24-04 06:17 PM |
#21 |
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You may want to read |
DennisReveni |
Feb-24-04 06:10 PM |
#3 |
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I always thought it was a bunch of guys that got drunk |
demsrule4life |
Feb-24-04 06:10 PM |
#4 |
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The idea that Christianity is the result of some fratboy joke... |
teknomanzer |
Feb-24-04 08:19 PM |
#100 |
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Beware religion |
Walt Starr |
Feb-24-04 08:30 PM |
#109 |
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become your own priest then. (n/t) |
teknomanzer |
Feb-24-04 08:36 PM |
#115 |
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I am my own priest |
Walt Starr |
Feb-24-04 08:43 PM |
#124 |
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Me too |
teknomanzer |
Feb-24-04 09:42 PM |
#166 |
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I am not a Christian |
ChiefJoseph |
Feb-24-04 06:12 PM |
#6 |
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Well, there was no Jesus of Nazareth. But that's just because |
Screaming Lord Byron |
Feb-24-04 06:14 PM |
#12 |
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Can you link us to some |
Dookus |
Feb-24-04 06:28 PM |
#37 |
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Bzzzzzsttt. |
einniv |
Feb-24-04 06:29 PM |
#39 |
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I have to call you on this... |
teknomanzer |
Feb-24-04 06:46 PM |
#51 |
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What is that evidence? |
knight_of_the_star |
Feb-24-04 07:51 PM |
#88 |
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There is NO "Historical Evidence" independent of the Xtian church |
stopbush |
Feb-24-04 09:25 PM |
#157 |
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What makes you think myths aren't true? |
aquart |
Feb-24-04 06:12 PM |
#7 |
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Uh, how can a myth be true? That seems to be the penultimate oxymoron |
mike1963 |
Feb-24-04 06:16 PM |
#17 |
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All myths contain a kernel of truth... |
teknomanzer |
Feb-24-04 06:51 PM |
#56 |
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Elvis lives... |
I AM SPARTACUS |
Feb-24-04 06:51 PM |
#55 |
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I recommend reading |
Book Lover |
Feb-24-04 06:13 PM |
#8 |
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I have the Passover Plot and have read it. You're right it sure is dry, |
mike1963 |
Feb-24-04 06:20 PM |
#24 |
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Well, that's the nice thing about scholarship... |
Book Lover |
Feb-24-04 06:49 PM |
#53 |
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I suppose I was trying to be a bit too clever. What I mean is this: |
mike1963 |
Feb-24-04 07:12 PM |
#70 |
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Several problems with the bible |
LiberalFighter |
Feb-24-04 08:31 PM |
#110 |
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Forgot this |
DennisReveni |
Feb-25-04 07:36 AM |
#182 |
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What about that virgin birth thing? |
ezmojason |
Feb-24-04 06:13 PM |
#9 |
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No, I do NOT believe that! n/t |
mlawson |
Feb-24-04 06:15 PM |
#14 |
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Surprise! I don't either |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Feb-24-04 09:05 PM |
#137 |
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It's not hard to believe that the Romans would have |
mlawson |
Feb-24-04 06:14 PM |
#11 |
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There is no doubt in my mind... |
teknomanzer |
Feb-24-04 06:58 PM |
#59 |
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Jerusalem, where the records would have been |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Feb-24-04 08:56 PM |
#131 |
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I think it a myth also |
Marianne |
Feb-24-04 06:14 PM |
#13 |
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Are there no more democratic Christians left? |
coloktm |
Feb-24-04 06:15 PM |
#16 |
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I thought I might be the last secularist. |
ezmojason |
Feb-24-04 06:17 PM |
#20 |
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Dingdingdingdingdingdingdingding! |
LoZoccolo |
Feb-24-04 06:19 PM |
#23 |
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Quicker than I thought, but there you go. |
Screaming Lord Byron |
Feb-24-04 06:20 PM |
#28 |
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This girl I met said that Lord Byron had this way of looking at women... |
LoZoccolo |
Feb-24-04 06:26 PM |
#34 |
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Well, It's not genetic. But my predecessor was 'mad, bad and |
Screaming Lord Byron |
Feb-24-04 06:29 PM |
# |
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Um, I did not use the word 'fundies' in my op. Please do not put words |
mike1963 |
Feb-24-04 06:23 PM |
#31 |
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So this time... |
coloktm |
Feb-24-04 06:26 PM |
#33 |
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Umm... they did herd goats. |
ezmojason |
Feb-24-04 06:29 PM |
#38 |
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How about "itinerant animal tenders"? Santa Claus is very important to |
mike1963 |
Feb-24-04 06:40 PM |
#48 |
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I agree with you on that |
Marianne |
Feb-24-04 06:27 PM |
#36 |
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ah, here you are again! |
wellstone_democrat |
Feb-24-04 06:38 PM |
#46 |
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I am a Catholic and find many Evangelical Christians offensive. |
alcuno |
Feb-24-04 06:45 PM |
#50 |
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Obviously they do believe in the teachings of Jesus |
Marianne |
Feb-24-04 07:01 PM |
#62 |
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That's the thing about Catholics. |
alcuno |
Feb-24-04 07:06 PM |
#66 |
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If that is so... |
teknomanzer |
Feb-24-04 08:31 PM |
#112 |
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Indulgences have been gone for a while now. |
alcuno |
Feb-24-04 09:04 PM |
#136 |
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I must have an older bible then... |
teknomanzer |
Feb-24-04 09:11 PM |
#142 |
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You are right. Although I think this refers mainly to prayer, not |
alcuno |
Feb-24-04 09:38 PM |
#163 |
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I do too-the Catholic Church may have its conservative wing |
RationalRose |
Feb-24-04 07:27 PM |
#79 |
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And I found it strange when I saw on DU that... |
LiberalFighter |
Feb-24-04 08:34 PM |
#113 |
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That is because we have not been "born again." |
alcuno |
Feb-24-04 09:10 PM |
#141 |
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Makes no sense to me either |
teknomanzer |
Feb-24-04 09:22 PM |
#154 |
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not all Christians are fundies |
pop goes the weasel |
Feb-24-04 07:29 PM |
#81 |
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I never said that... |
teknomanzer |
Feb-24-04 10:09 PM |
#169 |
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I don't have hard facts but there are historical records.. |
ChavezSpeakstheTruth |
Feb-24-04 06:16 PM |
#19 |
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I believe it happened and that he existed historically. I also believe |
roguevalley |
Feb-24-04 06:27 PM |
#35 |
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Please don't think that I'm a zealot.But, how can you survive crucifixion? |
ChavezSpeakstheTruth |
Feb-24-04 06:32 PM |
#40 |
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Crucifixion was more about torture than execution... |
teknomanzer |
Feb-24-04 07:16 PM |
#73 |
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You could get rescued by the Judean People's |
smirkymonkey |
Feb-24-04 07:54 PM |
#89 |
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I understand your point. I omitted reference the alleged 'resurrection' |
mike1963 |
Feb-24-04 06:33 PM |
#41 |
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I won't evangelize to anyone. Especially a DUer - a Friend no matter what |
ChavezSpeakstheTruth |
Feb-24-04 07:02 PM |
#63 |
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May I extend a bit of congratulation for properly spelling Gandhi. |
mike1963 |
Feb-24-04 09:31 PM |
#158 |
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Story of divine sacrifice make sense... |
teknomanzer |
Feb-24-04 07:23 PM |
#77 |
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"What are you really asking?" |
I AM SPARTACUS |
Feb-24-04 07:01 PM |
#61 |
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Are you kidding? I'm asking. if a historical figue was cricifird.. |
ChavezSpeakstheTruth |
Feb-24-04 07:08 PM |
#67 |
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No, I'm serious. |
I AM SPARTACUS |
Feb-24-04 07:11 PM |
#69 |
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i wonder why you ask this queston |
ChavezSpeakstheTruth |
Feb-24-04 07:24 PM |
#78 |
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"why" I ask - does that matter at all? |
I AM SPARTACUS |
Feb-24-04 07:29 PM |
#82 |
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Cite your sources for this statement. |
stopbush |
Feb-24-04 09:19 PM |
#149 |
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Most doubters question the resurection not the crucifixion |
El Supremo |
Feb-24-04 06:18 PM |
#22 |
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Josephus mentions of Jesus in wrong ink 500 years younger |
mouse7 |
Feb-24-04 06:37 PM |
#43 |
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I ask again - how do you survive a Roman crucifixion? |
ChavezSpeakstheTruth |
Feb-24-04 06:38 PM |
#45 |
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Xena, Warrior Princess, did. |
Bridget Burke |
Feb-24-04 06:50 PM |
#54 |
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It's actually quite possible |
Dookus |
Feb-24-04 07:19 PM |
#74 |
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Jesus! I didn't say he survived! |
El Supremo |
Feb-24-04 09:46 PM |
#167 |
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I don't know if |
Jawja |
Feb-24-04 06:20 PM |
#25 |
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I believe that a radical teacher named "Jesus" was crucified by |
maveric |
Feb-24-04 06:20 PM |
#27 |
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That's why it is called faith. |
alcuno |
Feb-24-04 06:24 PM |
#32 |
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Why is faith good? |
Philosophy |
Feb-24-04 06:42 PM |
#49 |
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I've seen no contrary evidence to the existence of God. |
alcuno |
Feb-24-04 06:52 PM |
#57 |
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The person making the fantastic claim... |
teknomanzer |
Feb-24-04 07:28 PM |
#80 |
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Sorry. I'm no bible-thumping Old Testament kind of Christian. |
alcuno |
Feb-24-04 08:00 PM |
#91 |
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Not saying that you personally... |
teknomanzer |
Feb-24-04 08:55 PM |
#130 |
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Faith in God existed before anything was written down. |
alcuno |
Feb-24-04 09:24 PM |
#156 |
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I would not lump all christians in the same group as fundamentalists... |
teknomanzer |
Feb-24-04 10:16 PM |
#172 |
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But god separated the light and the darkness |
stopbush |
Feb-24-04 09:33 PM |
#159 |
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This is why I stick to my official Catholic Bible. |
alcuno |
Feb-24-04 09:41 PM |
#165 |
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Give Me Barabas |
orwell |
Feb-24-04 06:35 PM |
#42 |
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At a time-depth of 2,000 years |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Feb-24-04 06:37 PM |
#44 |
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Some of the books in the Bible were written two hundred years... |
mac2 |
Feb-24-04 06:49 PM |
#52 |
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Most of the books of NT were written within 70 yrs |
megatherium |
Feb-24-04 07:32 PM |
# |
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It isn't a question of whether or not it is hard to believe. |
einniv |
Feb-24-04 07:05 PM |
#65 |
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I think so too, but to say so often gets believers upset. |
Cleita |
Feb-24-04 07:00 PM |
#60 |
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"Legend" is probably a better word than "myth" |
Bridget Burke |
Feb-24-04 07:03 PM |
#64 |
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well |
Dookus |
Feb-24-04 07:10 PM |
#68 |
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Actually you're wrong |
ChavezSpeakstheTruth |
Feb-24-04 07:13 PM |
#72 |
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then please |
Dookus |
Feb-24-04 07:19 PM |
#76 |
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Listen, I could plug in 100 sites. im not that type |
ChavezSpeakstheTruth |
Feb-24-04 07:36 PM |
#86 |
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"I'm not that type" |
Dookus |
Feb-24-04 07:43 PM |
#87 |
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look here bud... |
teknomanzer |
Feb-24-04 09:53 PM |
#168 |
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I don't care if there was an actual Jesus or if it was all allegorical... |
higher class |
Feb-24-04 07:19 PM |
#75 |
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myth. |
Mari333 |
Feb-24-04 07:32 PM |
#83 |
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i have yet to see any film that accurately depicts anything... |
rasputin1952 |
Feb-24-04 07:35 PM |
#84 |
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Didn't Calvin Trillin get fired from Newsweek for his comment ... |
DemoTex |
Feb-24-04 07:35 PM |
#85 |
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No, you are not the |
smirkymonkey |
Feb-24-04 08:05 PM |
#93 |
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Most definitely a myth, IMO |
Walt Starr |
Feb-24-04 08:09 PM |
#94 |
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thanks Walt... |
teknomanzer |
Feb-24-04 10:24 PM |
#174 |
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myth - ever hear of the albigensens (sp) |
HighTide |
Feb-24-04 08:17 PM |
#99 |
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Just call them Cathars, it's easier to spell. |
Screaming Lord Byron |
Feb-24-04 08:31 PM |
#111 |
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Good spots to visit |
stopbush |
Feb-24-04 08:20 PM |
#101 |
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He pissed the romans off |
Alex146 |
Feb-24-04 08:30 PM |
#108 |
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There was a point when the Romans were crucifying |
Walt Starr |
Feb-24-04 08:34 PM |
#114 |
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Well I Don't Know About the Crucifixion |
Crisco |
Feb-24-04 08:41 PM |
#120 |
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umm... the entire Jesus thing is just a myth |
cryofan |
Feb-24-04 08:49 PM |
#128 |
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I do not think it is a myth |
arewethereyet |
Feb-24-04 08:49 PM |
#129 |
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I'm puzzled by the insistence of some |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Feb-24-04 09:12 PM |
#145 |
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I hear you |
arewethereyet |
Feb-24-04 09:22 PM |
#153 |
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how does the presence of Christians prove that there was a real... |
I AM SPARTACUS |
Feb-24-04 09:23 PM |
#155 |
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I used to think the image of Jesus-as-guru was reasonable too |
starroute |
Feb-24-04 10:13 PM |
#171 |
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Fine... |
teknomanzer |
Feb-24-04 10:29 PM |
#175 |
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no, you're not. |
leftofthedial |
Feb-24-04 09:00 PM |
#133 |
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Sorry, there were Christians long before Constantine |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Feb-24-04 09:14 PM |
#146 |
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none as we know them now. |
leftofthedial |
Feb-24-04 09:15 PM |
#147 |
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Crucifiction theme in surrounding history |
Must_B_Free |
Feb-24-04 09:04 PM |
#135 |
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The myth of a dying/resurrected god appears time and again |
Walt Starr |
Feb-24-04 09:11 PM |
#143 |
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more echoes of similarrity |
Must_B_Free |
Feb-24-04 09:20 PM |
#150 |
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No you're not alone! Thank the gods I'm not alone either! |
BurtWorm |
Feb-24-04 10:11 PM |
#170 |
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No, I believe it happened |
GreenPartyVoter |
Feb-24-04 10:20 PM |
#173 |
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questioning the historical accuracy |
Dookus |
Feb-25-04 01:38 AM |
#177 |
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There is evidence he existed |
GreenPartyVoter |
Feb-25-04 07:09 AM |
#180 |
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I suspect he was executed by crucifixion because it was the |
leesa |
Feb-24-04 10:58 PM |
#176 |
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Personally, I think the whole Bible is a myth |
RebelOne |
Feb-25-04 06:04 AM |
#179 |
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Locking |
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