Reply #13: Welp, about all that needs to be said on that is

[depakid]

Look at the evidence-

You can get all self righteous if you like, but the facts are that enabling Republican policies- and creating the widespread perception that the Dems no longer stand for traditional Democratic principles has lost election after election- and every vote for a Republican policy (aside from giving us extremely bad law- like the telecommunications bill) has only furthered the Dems descent into irrelavancy.

If you really want to win (as opposed to playing to some ephemeral center) then take a few pages out of the winning playbook. What do you think that the Republicans would do with errant members who consistently backstabbed the party's positions?

The Dems aren't going anywhere by trying to incorporate the likes of Zell Miller into their party. The cases is long since been proven on that one.