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HawkerHurricane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 11:59 PM
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104. Pardon me for not confirming your prejuduices.
Always happens when I say anything about Venezuala. Since I don't conform, there's always an 'expert' to accuse me of lies, or spounting propaganda, or being a CIA plant.

I provided anecdotes. Personal stories, told to me by people I trust in Venezuala. Others provide news stories, told by people they trust. Of course, I could spend time finding links that contradict the others. I imagine that if I did, people would claim the links were biased and ignore them. So, I shant bother.

I've told my stories, given my warnings.

If I'm a liar, it's because I've believed people I know better than I know you. People living in Caracas; people who grew up in Venezuala. Not people posting on internet boards and playing flamebait games.

No doubt, you'll point out my foul mouth. And yes, I have one. But I respond with anger to people who call me names. So, sir or madam who declines to state,

Never mind. It's not worth it. Why do I bother? Is it because I hear the fear in my inlaws voices? Is it because that I know that the stories coming out of Venezuala from both sides aren't true? Caught between Chavez psuedo leftist on one side, and the CIA backed Oligarcha on the other, where will my family go? Perhaps Canada; it seems the United States doesn't like refugees from the wrong government.
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  -Venezuela Voters Turn Out in Huge Numbers cal04  Aug-15-04 11:55 AM   #0 
  - and we can't even get 50% turnout here  WMliberal   Aug-15-04 12:02 PM   #1 
  - Really Sad...  Labor_Ready   Aug-15-04 12:08 PM   #2 
  - That's because Chavez is more distinct  Alpharetta   Aug-15-04 01:25 PM   #11 
  - Hugo batles for the middle too. But in a country where 80%  AP   Aug-15-04 01:38 PM   #13 
  - That's because we don't have courageous leaders like Hugo Chavez  Larkspur   Aug-15-04 04:01 PM   #27 
  - Take heart - I think this election will have a great  nemdaille   Aug-15-04 10:46 PM   #98 
  - Viva Chavez!  Pastiche423   Aug-15-04 12:09 PM   #3 
  - One has to wonder who it is that says that he is imposing a Cuba-style  acmavm   Aug-15-04 12:14 PM   #4 
  - Or it could be people who have family down there...  HawkerHurricane   Aug-15-04 12:23 PM   #6 
     - Oh come on.  AP   Aug-15-04 01:40 PM   #14 
     - I knew it was a mistake  HawkerHurricane   Aug-15-04 03:35 PM   #22 
        - Yes it was - to post lies & your singular opinion as fact was a mistake.  TankLV   Aug-15-04 04:19 PM   #32 
        - WTF?  HawkerHurricane   Aug-15-04 07:36 PM   #61 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-15-04 08:52 PM   #89 
              - Pardon me for not confirming your prejuduices.  HawkerHurricane   Aug-15-04 11:59 PM   #104 
        - The switch from social injustice to social justice is disruptive  AP   Aug-15-04 04:22 PM   #33 
     - Really? Tell us more about this scary man.  stickdog   Aug-15-04 02:17 PM   #17 
     - I refuse to support a dictator  HawkerHurricane   Aug-15-04 03:38 PM   #23 
        - hey man, I hear you..  sal   Aug-15-04 03:54 PM   #26 
        - Another one.  HawkerHurricane   Aug-15-04 07:40 PM   #62 
           - I'd like to understand how employees rape their bosses' daughters.  JudiLyn   Aug-15-04 07:43 PM   #66 
              - Oh, my mistake. I was answering too much at once.  HawkerHurricane   Aug-15-04 07:46 PM   #70 
                 - This is getting harder to grasp.  JudiLyn   Aug-15-04 08:08 PM   #72 
                    - When they say, "this is for not supporting Chavez"  HawkerHurricane   Aug-15-04 08:17 PM   #74 
                       - They raped a surgeon's wife and daughter  JudiLyn   Aug-15-04 08:21 PM   #77 
                          - Bugger all this.  HawkerHurricane   Aug-15-04 08:25 PM   #79 
                             - Real principles are involved. I don't blame thinking people for being  JudiLyn   Aug-15-04 08:29 PM   #82 
                                - Such a choice...  HawkerHurricane   Aug-15-04 08:31 PM   #83 
        - A "dictator" who got over 80% of the popular vote last time & who's  TankLV   Aug-15-04 04:15 PM   #30 
        - A dictator who devolves power to community political organizations?  AP   Aug-15-04 04:24 PM   #35 
        - A second term that his cronies rewrote the constitution to let him run for  HawkerHurricane   Aug-15-04 07:41 PM   #63 
        - A changed constitution approved by a popular vote. n/t  Darranar   Aug-15-04 07:46 PM   #69 
        - He got 59.5% of the vote. Don't hurt your credibility by misstating facts.  Zynx   Aug-15-04 08:19 PM   #76 
        - Is this site accurate?  TankLV   Aug-15-04 08:56 PM   #90 
           - The correction was correct...  Darranar   Aug-15-04 08:59 PM   #91 
        - Everytime I've read about the 1998 election, they've written "landslide."  JudiLyn   Aug-15-04 10:48 PM   #99 
        - Just like "landslide bush*"!  TankLV   Aug-15-04 11:02 PM   #101 
        - There are 25 million people in the country........  ChocolateSaltyBalls   Aug-16-04 01:54 AM   #108 
        - Ummmm, attempting to empower the poor & disadvantaged,...  Just Me   Aug-15-04 04:22 PM   #34 
        - How can a growing economy  mesquite   Aug-15-04 11:21 PM   #102 
           - Try this experiment.  HawkerHurricane   Aug-16-04 12:02 AM   #105 
     - Where are you getting this propaganda?  0007   Aug-15-04 04:37 PM   #37 
     - From my family (In Laws) who live there.  HawkerHurricane   Aug-15-04 07:42 PM   #64 
        - does your family belong to the poor majority or the wealthy minority?  rman   Aug-16-04 01:39 AM   #107 
           - Well, I thought they were middle class professionals...  HawkerHurricane   Aug-16-04 02:51 PM   #109 
              - You said the surgeon said his wife and daughter were raped  JudiLyn   Aug-18-04 02:18 AM   #110 
                 - Don't know.  HawkerHurricane   Aug-18-04 07:58 PM   #111 
     - You mean like the coup ringleaders  Vladimir   Aug-15-04 06:14 PM   #52 
     - If it is a crime to "speak out" against Chavez,  bvar22   Aug-15-04 07:09 PM   #57 
        - Probably because..  HawkerHurricane   Aug-15-04 07:42 PM   #65 
  - After California's recall  ninkasi   Aug-15-04 12:17 PM   #5 
  - REcall REdistrict but NO meaningful REcounts!  SophieZ   Aug-15-04 03:50 PM   #25 
  - "sidelined the middle class and fueled tensions between rich and poor."  IndianaGreen   Aug-15-04 12:59 PM   #7 
  - You just pegged an irony that amuses me  56kid   Aug-15-04 01:04 PM   #9 
  - My question is "What middle class?"  stickdog   Aug-15-04 02:21 PM   #19 
     - point taken  56kid   Aug-15-04 02:50 PM   #20 
     - People who only have their labor to sell.  AP   Aug-15-04 03:01 PM   #21 
  - Yeah, if the upper class tries a coup, you blame Chavez  AP   Aug-15-04 01:42 PM   #15 
  - Sounds a lot like our media  cal04   Aug-15-04 12:59 PM   #8 
  - Yep, Referendum Is a "Lib/Progressive" Concept  UTUSN   Aug-15-04 01:22 PM   #10 
  - Article lies: Chavez is NOT "centralizing power." In fact...  AP   Aug-15-04 01:36 PM   #12 
  - BBC  cal04   Aug-15-04 01:57 PM   #16 
  - Kick for Chavez and his championing the poor and disaffected.  Zhade   Aug-15-04 02:20 PM   #18 
  - Go Chavez Go  Joanne98   Aug-15-04 03:48 PM   #24 
  - They banned exit polls  party_line   Aug-15-04 04:10 PM   #28 
  - not a good idea  tinanator   Aug-15-04 05:43 PM   #46 
  - Letter to the Independent from Narcosphere  cal04   Aug-15-04 10:08 PM   #97 
  - Here's the Guardian's coverage  party_line   Aug-15-04 04:14 PM   #29 
  - Does anybody know when the results start coming in?  Joanne98   Aug-15-04 04:17 PM   #31 
     - Polls don't close until 8  cal04   Aug-15-04 05:12 PM   #42 
        - Polls won't close until midnight. They had to add four hours due  soulsick in jp   Aug-15-04 05:28 PM   #44 
           - conflicting times, Venezuela's site says  cal04   Aug-15-04 05:51 PM   #48 
           - The article I read said midnight: Greenwich Mean Time  scarletwoman   Aug-15-04 06:08 PM   #51 
  - Flying over the Venezuelan barrios won't explain how screwed the people  JudiLyn   Aug-15-04 04:32 PM   #36 
  - See this photo! Does that look like your polling place?  party_line   Aug-15-04 04:42 PM   #38 
  - Great photo and article, too. Can you imagine pResident Bush that close  JudiLyn   Aug-15-04 05:22 PM   #43 
  - that one picture's date  borat sagdiyev   Aug-15-04 05:49 PM   #47 
  - We'll have to guess which picture is the one you're referring to....  JudiLyn   Aug-15-04 06:15 PM   #53 
  - Er, probably this one:  scarletwoman   Aug-15-04 06:24 PM   #55 
     - Thanks for the tip. I had not looked at the dates, as I knew they all  JudiLyn   Aug-15-04 08:04 PM   #71 
  - I think most of those photos are from earlier Opposition demonstrations  scarletwoman   Aug-15-04 06:17 PM   #54 
     - Yep, you're right on target.  JudiLyn   Aug-15-04 08:25 PM   #80 
  - A lot of white there  raifield   Aug-15-04 05:58 PM   #49 
  - speaking of NYT...  Cocoa   Aug-15-04 06:01 PM   #50 
  - This statement doesn't make sense  daleo   Aug-15-04 04:52 PM   #39 
  - Now this is what you call "DEMOCRACY"!  Tight_rope   Aug-15-04 05:07 PM   #40 
  - I'm praying for Chavez  genius   Aug-15-04 05:10 PM   #41 
  - Go go Chavez!  The Blue Knight   Aug-15-04 05:36 PM   #45 
  - Doesn't look good for Chavez according to Independent  cal04   Aug-15-04 06:56 PM   #56 
  - Oh, God, no.  Matilda   Aug-15-04 07:18 PM   #58 
  - These would be the banned exit polls?  Vladimir   Aug-15-04 07:29 PM   #59 
  - Are you following this thread as well?  mountebank   Aug-15-04 07:36 PM   #60 
  - Yes, just saw that and noticed this too  cal04   Aug-15-04 07:45 PM   #68 
  - That could be a result of this hoax  party_line   Aug-15-04 07:44 PM   #67 
  - Venezuelan Ex-Patriots Cast Ballots in San Francisco for Nations Recall E  JudiLyn   Aug-15-04 08:11 PM   #73 
  - 1 killed, 12 hurt as gunmen shoot at voters in Venezuela  JudiLyn   Aug-15-04 08:18 PM   #75 
  - Were these chavez thugs trying to retain his dictatorship?  snippyMcNippy   Aug-15-04 08:23 PM   #78 
  - Maybe.  HawkerHurricane   Aug-15-04 08:26 PM   #81 
  - Would you be good enough to provide information explaining  JudiLyn   Aug-15-04 08:33 PM   #84 
     - Exactly  snippyMcNippy   Aug-15-04 08:36 PM   #85 
     - What "dictator"? Are you referring to the democratically elected  scarletwoman   Aug-15-04 08:48 PM   #87 
     - Hah. Circular argument if I ever saw one.  JCCyC   Aug-15-04 09:47 PM   #95 
     - Why would Chvez have people try to scare the poor away from voting  JudiLyn   Aug-15-04 08:48 PM   #88 
  - Bastards.  Matilda   Aug-15-04 08:44 PM   #86 
  - From the Telegraph  cal04   Aug-15-04 09:41 PM   #93 
  - the plot thickens  foo_bar   Aug-15-04 09:02 PM   #92 
  - Delay the Election.......Just what Bush wants to do here!!!  goforit   Aug-15-04 09:44 PM   #94 
  - Venezuela's Barrio Voting Centers Overloaded with Voters  cal04   Aug-15-04 09:50 PM   #96 
     - That's a great article. Loved the photos, as well.  JudiLyn   Aug-15-04 10:53 PM   #100 
        - Look at these!  party_line   Aug-15-04 11:57 PM   #103 
           - That's so cool. They couldn't look more concerned, either.  JudiLyn   Aug-16-04 12:02 AM   #106 

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