Reply #62: But I must pass along something another poster here has pointed out.

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This prisoner abuse has apparently been going on for quite some time. The Tagura report on this, that people are seeing all over everywhere (and apparently know more about, more quickly, than our own lovely Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Richard Myers) was, according to Seymour Hersh, THE THIRD INVESTIGATION. Amnesty International, I think it was, was trying to get into the prison to inspect and check out the rumors about this - last summer. July, I think I remember from somewhere.

When those four contractors were killed so horribly, was that an isolated case, too, or was it in reaction to what lots of people may already have been well aware of? Yes, that was an atrocity, too. But was it a stand-alone atrocity, or was it revenge?

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By the way, Pebbles, Welcome to DU! Believe me, NOBODY here would EVER wish ill on your son or any of our troops that have been fed into this meat-grinder. NEVER NEVER NEVER. I am terribly sorry about your son, and the loved ones of other DUers here who've been sent over there. I'm sorry for THEIR loved ones, too, who'll be picking up the pieces with them if they're among the "lucky" ones to return home by other means than "transfer tubes." Believe me, we are PRAYING desperately for this whole damn thing to end, from top to bottom. The war, THIS REGIME, especially, that aggitated for war and lied for war and manipulated and deceived for war and screwed us all for war. Some of us fought this on our own "front lines" - in the protests and marches and repeated petitions and emails and faxes and calls to our reps and so forth. That was the point. We didn't want this to begin with. Because some of us were around for Vietnam, and fought against that, too. Some of us who weren't or weren't aware or weren't old enough, still fought this. Because we didn't want YOU and others like you to have to go through this, and CERTAINLY didn't want to see you and others like you watching or listening to EVERY newscast, dreading what might be reported or knowing what your dear ones were forced to see, do, and endure over there.

It's not meant as a criticism. Keep in mind, too, dear friend, that many of us are just angry beyond belief about this. Angry at ourselves, also, perhaps, that no regardless how hard we fought, we weren't able to stop this. Or maybe angry at ourselves that some of us were also, even though briefly, taken in (like my husband, who really was convinced for awhile, by watching Colin Powell's presentation at the UN last year - now he knows better). Angry at our fellow citizens, too many of whom are still in denial, and STILL behaving like some anchor I just saw, within the last hour, on MSNBC I think, who was still trying to grasp at the straws of "but weren't these photos STAGED?"

I'm glad you're here. I'm glad you're questioning. There's LOTS of info and links and alternative information sources - MANY highly credible ones as well as the off-the-wall, tinfoil-hat stuff - usually from overseas where the media hasn't been squelched, leaned on, or threatened and intimidated into submission. I hope you'll gain new wisdom and perspective here, and more importantly - SUPPORT. Moral support, and validation. Nobody should have to go through this. This was completely unnecessary. And we're STILL trying to stop it. I pray we'll all succeed in that, come November.