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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-10 10:29 AM
Response to Reply #31
74. Probably not.
Probably it does two things.

It restricts what the 'independent' commission knows it can come up with. After all, Obama has now prejudged the issue, to some extent, so some recommendations cannot be adopted without changing his (D) into an (R).

Mostly, though, it's a salvo fired over the bow of elderly independents that might be veering to starboard (as opposed to port, if only tawny port).
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  -Obama Claims GOP Trying to Destroy Social Security Elmore Furth  Aug-14-10 05:36 AM   #0 
  - here we go... first on health care, then other issues, now SS and Medicare...  nightrain   Aug-14-10 05:45 AM   #1 
  - +1  xchrom   Aug-14-10 06:22 AM   #5 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-14-10 07:43 AM   #10 
  - Obama's Commission on "Fiscal Responsibility"  Chef Eric   Aug-14-10 08:42 AM   #15 
  - the Social Security program never expected anyone to actually live to 65 and collect.  AlbertCat   Aug-14-10 08:19 PM   #166 
  - if you are old enough to remember the "good old days"  mikehiggins   Aug-14-10 09:06 AM   #20 
  - so you support privatizing Social Security?  Rosa Luxemburg   Aug-14-10 08:37 AM   #12 
  - How about instead of privatizing it, and cutting it, we just save it as is.  glitch   Aug-14-10 09:29 AM   #36 
  - It would be useful to pay back what is owed to it  Rosa Luxemburg   Aug-14-10 09:32 AM   #37 
  - Yeah - the federal budget's got plenty of leftover  Yupster   Aug-14-10 11:06 AM   #88 
  - it was wasted on war and tax cuts for the wealthy etc  Rosa Luxemburg   Aug-14-10 12:18 PM   #107 
  - Yep  Andy823   Aug-14-10 02:25 PM   #132 
  - too bad Social Security has NO NEGATIVE IMPACT on the budget BY LAW, Nice straw man tho  Vincardog   Aug-14-10 01:12 PM   #120 
  - Except that the budget owes the social security fund  Yupster   Aug-14-10 05:36 PM   #159 
     - That would be why the PTB's want to trim it...  CTuttle   Aug-14-10 06:09 PM   #161 
     - Unless your BIL is Uncle Sam this is another straw man/ don't trust your T bills, Send them to ME.  Vincardog   Aug-14-10 08:30 PM   #169 
     - Uncle Sam isn't broke and won't ever be broke  creeksneakers2   Aug-14-10 10:12 PM   #178 
        - So there's no limit on how much we should owe?  Yupster   Aug-15-10 01:06 AM   #190 
  - Money is borrowed every Monday by the Treasury Department, because  mbperrin   Aug-14-10 02:06 PM   #129 
  - Usury for the banksters... (n/t)  ProudDad   Aug-16-10 01:29 PM   #201 
  - Use the money we're wasting to continue the endless war policy  dflprincess   Aug-14-10 08:58 PM   #171 
  - Tell that to the Repubs (and some Dems...sadly) who have raped,  laylah   Aug-14-10 06:29 PM   #164 
  - What is owed to it is in gov. bonds.now so has not really gone anywhere.  bjobotts   Aug-14-10 11:14 PM   #182 
     - Removing the cap so people making over $1k/yr pay into it like the rest of us makes it solvent forev  bjobotts   Aug-14-10 11:22 PM   #184 
        - $1k/yr?  boppers   Aug-14-10 11:36 PM   #187 
  - How about.....  daleanime   Aug-14-10 09:57 AM   #51 
     - Lowering the age limit (and providing single payer) would have done a lot to boost our economy  glitch   Aug-14-10 10:10 AM   #66 
        - Right! It just makes sense...  daleanime   Aug-14-10 10:22 AM   #70 
        - IOW reverse the Reaganomic transfer of wealth from the middle class to the wealthiest.  glitch   Aug-14-10 10:29 AM   #75 
           - Why would I want a 'golf date'?  daleanime   Aug-14-10 10:40 AM   #83 
        - Oh if only Medicare covered everyone, better care, lower costs and decreased deficits  bjobotts   Aug-14-10 11:24 PM   #185 
           - No wonder every republican opposes it, Would've made the dems too popular.  bjobotts   Aug-14-10 11:26 PM   #186 
  - of course not.  nightrain   Aug-14-10 11:14 AM   #91 
  - I believe that he is starting to get the message.  olegramps   Aug-14-10 08:38 AM   #13 
  - or it's another head fake aimed at his base...  northernlights   Aug-14-10 09:25 AM   #31 
  - thanks northernlights I thought I was hallucinating or just  russspeakeasy   Aug-14-10 09:57 AM   #50 
  - I noticed it too...  Alameda   Aug-14-10 09:27 PM   #175 
  - Probably not.  Igel   Aug-14-10 10:29 AM   #74 
  - yeah, sadly... I hate these potential head fakes, so destructive for regular people  nightrain   Aug-14-10 11:15 AM   #92 
  - He's good at "action" that only requires "talk".  readmoreoften   Aug-14-10 11:30 AM   #98 
  - Wow . . . naive ... Obama is fully awake and not being tricked by GOP ... if any of what  defendandprotect   Aug-14-10 09:41 AM   #41 
  - admin wake up? no, it is us who better wake up!  bbgrunt   Aug-14-10 12:28 PM   #113 
  - +1  burnsei sensei   Aug-14-10 09:17 AM   #27 
  - yeee-up.... it does look like a set up  fascisthunter   Aug-14-10 10:01 AM   #55 
  - +1000000000 n/t  bluethruandthru   Aug-14-10 10:04 AM   #58 
  - Strategy make them wiggle & come up with a solution.......then do the opposite.  Historic NY   Aug-14-10 10:32 AM   #76 
  - +2  emilyg   Aug-14-10 11:39 AM   #99 
  - +11111111111  peace frog   Aug-14-10 11:50 AM   #102 
  - +2  bbgrunt   Aug-14-10 12:22 PM   #108 
  - the savior of SS and Medicare with his catfood commission. FUCK that and fuck the DLC Corporate new  Vincardog   Aug-14-10 01:09 PM   #119 
  - Who Appointed the Catfood Commission, Mr. President?  Demeter   Aug-14-10 01:23 PM   #121 
  - Because no matter...  butterfly77   Aug-14-10 01:59 PM   #128 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-14-10 02:08 PM   #130 
  - I heard him speak at an event a while back where he said fixing SS was simple-raise the cap.  laughingliberal   Aug-14-10 03:51 PM   #150 
     - The second post on this thread already has him giving SS away  liberal N proud   Aug-14-10 03:54 PM   #153 
     - I understand your point...  laughingliberal   Aug-14-10 04:30 PM   #157 
     - It's not "attacking no matter what". The composition of the catfood commission  nightrain   Aug-15-10 10:16 AM   #195 
     - and he once said...  awoke_in_2003   Aug-14-10 09:15 PM   #174 
  - +2  Kokonoe   Aug-14-10 03:33 PM   #147 
  - As many have said here; watch the actions, not the words  Lorien   Aug-14-10 05:55 PM   #160 
  - Yep-everyone should question WHY Obama has rethugs in charge of the catfood commission  earth mom   Aug-14-10 06:20 PM   #162 
  - We MUST LEARN TO COMPROMISE..Obama is Laying this Out for Us...We Must Comply...  KoKo   Aug-14-10 06:24 PM   #163 
  - Remember the public option?  Bluesbreaker   Aug-14-10 10:07 PM   #177 
  - Has anyone seen Obama promise to not cut benefits?  MsPithy   Aug-14-10 11:06 PM   #180 
  - YUP  Skittles   Aug-15-10 12:42 AM   #189 
  - +1  superconnected   Aug-16-10 02:44 PM   #202 
  - K&R nt.  lillypaddle   Aug-14-10 06:02 AM   #2 
  - Where can people view the various SS proposals...  Eric Galaxy   Aug-14-10 06:09 AM   #3 
  - They can't.  Chef Eric   Aug-14-10 08:45 AM   #16 
     - just more transparency...  northernlights   Aug-14-10 09:15 AM   #26 
     - And the Catfood Commission's recommendations aren't due until December  dflprincess   Aug-14-10 09:01 PM   #173 
     - Ahh yes, there's more of that "transparency"...  Frisbee   Aug-14-10 09:19 AM   #28 
  - They are not trying to destroy it  Turbineguy   Aug-14-10 06:22 AM   #4 
  - The end result is the same. And the Cat Commission needs  fogonthelake   Aug-14-10 07:13 AM   #8 
  - Republicans have said that they wish to destroy it  Rosa Luxemburg   Aug-14-10 08:38 AM   #14 
     - Forgot  Turbineguy   Aug-14-10 09:54 AM   #48 
     - Seems like they want to destroy  HillbillyBob   Aug-14-10 10:57 AM   #87 
  - If Dems want to get 60 seats in the Senate, we need more of this.  McCamy Taylor   Aug-14-10 07:04 AM   #6 
  - I agree. //nt  Overseas   Aug-14-10 09:20 AM   #29 
  - Yep. And if we want to keep Social Security from being CUT, we must fight for a progressive Congress  glitch   Aug-14-10 09:23 AM   #30 
  - if only FDR was still here. |nt|  NYMdaveNYI   Aug-14-10 09:53 AM   #47 
  - Hell, I'll take LBJ! nt  SteveM   Aug-14-10 02:46 PM   #138 
     - fuck it, ill take William Howard Taft!  NYMdaveNYI   Aug-14-10 02:52 PM   #140 
        - William Howard Taft?  Art_from_Ark   Aug-16-10 11:01 PM   #203 
  - I would run for office if I could.  HillbillyBob   Aug-14-10 10:55 AM   #86 
     - I already asked Landshark to run :) nt  glitch   Aug-14-10 08:25 PM   #168 
  - At this point, Obama is in control of the "Cat Food" activity ... not GOP ...  defendandprotect   Aug-14-10 09:43 AM   #42 
  - yes we do ---we need more FIGHT from this admin. Way to gO!  wordpix   Aug-14-10 12:27 PM   #111 
  - I never "Liked Ike" or "Leave it to Beaver"  Roci   Aug-14-10 07:08 AM   #7 
  - when the Republicans say they will rebuild it they mean that they will destroy it  Rosa Luxemburg   Aug-14-10 09:09 AM   #22 
  - the nostalgia for racist Ike is misplaced.  No Elephants   Aug-14-10 10:02 AM   #57 
  - +1 n/t  jaysunb   Aug-14-10 03:07 PM   #143 
  - Ike wasn't the only one who felt that  Art_from_Ark   Aug-17-10 02:11 AM   #204 
  - Welcome to DU  eridani   Aug-14-10 03:51 PM   #151 
  - If there is a little cash left over after the bills are paid...  rasputin1952   Aug-14-10 07:15 AM   #9 
  - That's true, Congress should never steal from SS  Rosa Luxemburg   Aug-14-10 09:12 AM   #24 
  - You're standing in front of a barn door  Yupster   Aug-14-10 11:09 AM   #89 
  - I agree with most of your post  HillbillyBob   Aug-14-10 09:56 AM   #49 
     - HillBillybob, I admire your tenacity.  Lifelong Protester   Aug-14-10 10:37 AM   #81 
     - I sat here reading your story, and I can say, in some instances...  rasputin1952   Aug-14-10 12:57 PM   #118 
     - I understand and it's sad that so many don't.  unapatriciated   Aug-14-10 03:32 PM   #146 
  - while his left hand takes a knife to it  MannyGoldstein   Aug-14-10 07:46 AM   #11 
  - They're not "personal accounts"  NewJeffCT   Aug-14-10 08:52 AM   #17 
  - Excellent points -- and including the term "entitlements" which suggests  defendandprotect   Aug-14-10 09:44 AM   #43 
     - I don't agree. We need to take that word back  eridani   Aug-14-10 03:54 PM   #154 
  - Erskine Bowles and Alan Simpson as Cat Food Commission co-chairs! Hello?  IndianaGreen   Aug-14-10 08:56 AM   #18 
  - Sssshh! You members of the "professional left" are too concerned with pesky facts.  Chef Eric   Aug-14-10 09:11 AM   #23 
  - Tom Coburn on the CFC, too!  WorseBeforeBetter   Aug-14-10 09:27 AM   #33 
  - Hooray! Look over there, quick! Don't pay attention to the republicans he appointed.  Safetykitten   Aug-14-10 11:57 AM   #104 
  - First the ground zero mosque, now this.  caseymoz   Aug-14-10 09:00 AM   #19 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-14-10 09:08 AM   #21 
  - Thank Dog his catfood commission is going to save it.  RufusTFirefly   Aug-14-10 09:14 AM   #25 
  - The Democratic Party's policy is to preserve Social Security  Rosa Luxemburg   Aug-14-10 09:27 AM   #34 
     - Evidently, you don't understand Obama has set up "Cat Food Panel" loaded with Repugs...????  defendandprotect   Aug-14-10 09:46 AM   #44 
        - It's Amazing! He's out in front of this...While his "Cat Food Commission works behind his BACK!  KoKo   Aug-14-10 07:10 PM   #165 
  - It's not a claim, they will, it's truth  DainBramaged   Aug-14-10 09:26 AM   #32 
  - The sooner the people hear about it the better!  Rosa Luxemburg   Aug-14-10 09:28 AM   #35 
  - You know, if we had held Republicans accountable for their ill-fated policies,  The Backlash Cometh   Aug-14-10 09:36 AM   #38 
  - Some of us saw it years ago and we were derided as  HillbillyBob   Aug-14-10 10:24 AM   #72 
  - God knows we have had ample opportunities to expose them.  The Backlash Cometh   Aug-14-10 10:33 AM   #78 
  - x1000  L0oniX   Aug-14-10 12:23 PM   #109 
  - What a farce!! Evidently, Obama has forgotten he set up "Cat Food Commission"--?  defendandprotect   Aug-14-10 09:38 AM   #39 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-14-10 02:47 PM   #139 
  - This is a good message for the Dems this fall....because it's true and it affects everyone.  Honeycombe8   Aug-14-10 09:41 AM   #40 
  - At this moment, it is Obama attacking Social Security -- see "Cat Food Commission" -- !!  defendandprotect   Aug-14-10 09:47 AM   #45 
  - I did a while back, and found nothing meaningful. I don't know what the broohaha is about  Honeycombe8   Aug-14-10 09:58 AM   #53 
  - Evidently, you don't consider Repugs in control of Social Security/Medicare dangerous???  defendandprotect   Aug-14-10 10:05 AM   #61 
  - exactly....  fascisthunter   Aug-14-10 10:02 AM   #56 
     - Frightening pretense by Obama going on here . . . !!  defendandprotect   Aug-14-10 10:06 AM   #62 
        - I am convinced now  fascisthunter   Aug-14-10 10:14 AM   #68 
           - Well, Cheney said it ..."right wing creates the reality and the rest of it live it..."  defendandprotect   Aug-14-10 10:24 AM   #71 
              - oh, the damage is going to be done, but in the end...  fascisthunter   Aug-15-10 10:33 AM   #197 
                 - Agree with you re people . . . . wholeheartedly . . . .  defendandprotect   Aug-15-10 06:14 PM   #199 
  - Yeah, but are the Dems bright enough to do it?  texastoast   Aug-14-10 09:47 AM   #46 
  - I totally agree. The Dems have been awful about pushing their message this past year.  Honeycombe8   Aug-14-10 09:58 AM   #52 
  - Obama/New Dem has set up the "Cat Food Commission" ....  defendandprotect   Aug-14-10 10:07 AM   #64 
  - I think they are bright enough...just afraid to make a move  russspeakeasy   Aug-14-10 10:10 AM   #67 
  - Unfortunately, if you scare people enough they often submit to blackmail and compromise.  bbgrunt   Aug-14-10 08:44 PM   #170 
  - Tom Tomorrow Nails It  tipscommissar   Aug-14-10 09:59 AM   #54 
  - Thanks, and welcome to DU. nt  Chef Eric   Aug-14-10 10:05 AM   #60 
  - bullseye! I hadn't seen the whole cartoon. Thank you.  nightrain   Aug-14-10 11:11 AM   #90 
  - With company pensions disappearing, this would only leave personal savings plans!  DailyGrind51   Aug-14-10 10:04 AM   #59 
  - You get penalized for saving in this country.  fasttense   Aug-15-10 05:27 AM   #194 
  - I don't believe a word !  Vinnie From Indy   Aug-14-10 10:07 AM   #63 
  - Rahm & Obama Backpedalling from Insulting the Base by Drumming up Red Meat.  NoodleyAppendage   Aug-14-10 10:07 AM   #65 
  - it doesn't even matter if there would or wouldn't be a bail out for retirees today -- this is a  nilram   Aug-14-10 10:20 AM   #69 
  - Obama said nothing in opposition to cuts, means testing or hiking the retirement age in his speech.  Better Believe It   Aug-14-10 10:27 AM   #73 
  - IIRC, Argentina used their stock market for retirement funds for their citizens and  old mark   Aug-14-10 10:33 AM   #77 
  - SURE.... a bailout for retirees...  orbitalman   Aug-14-10 10:35 AM   #79 
  - Claim?!?! They've been trying to do it for years and years.  RoccoR5955   Aug-14-10 10:35 AM   #80 
  - Will he do something about it  crim son   Aug-14-10 10:38 AM   #82 
  - Any possibility that there is some heat being felt on this issue  Lifelong Protester   Aug-14-10 10:44 AM   #84 
  - All I know is that Wall Street and the repukes have been pushing for years to privatize it. If the  still_one   Aug-14-10 10:48 AM   #85 
  - That's because they want more money, (not their own), to gamble  rasputin1952   Aug-14-10 01:56 PM   #127 
  - Obama claims GOP trying to destroy Social Security  NJmaverick   Aug-14-10 11:18 AM   #93 
  - This is so important that it should be on DU's front page with 50+ recs!  Orrex   Aug-14-10 11:18 AM   #94 
  - He's right on the money on this one.  CaliforniaPeggy   Aug-14-10 11:18 AM   #95 
  - Republicans, we already have a mechanism for privatization -- IRAs, 401Ks, private savings.  Hoyt   Aug-14-10 11:24 AM   #96 
  - "Everything is on the table"  pmorlan1   Aug-14-10 11:27 AM   #97 
  - God! Hasn't he learned that you can't start with an open hand when dealing with these political  The Wielding Truth   Aug-14-10 08:19 PM   #167 
  - what a joke  LadyJ333   Aug-14-10 11:39 AM   #100 
  - Agree. Welcome to DU.  emilyg   Aug-14-10 11:41 AM   #101 
  - also  LadyJ333   Aug-14-10 11:52 AM   #103 
     - You are correct...  Iowa   Aug-14-10 03:12 PM   #145 
  - Like HCR  JJW   Aug-14-10 12:06 PM   #105 
  - Pukes have been trying to do this for a long time...  and-justice-for-all   Aug-14-10 12:10 PM   #106 
  - Dems and repukes are both destroying this country with their military spending.  L0oniX   Aug-14-10 12:26 PM   #110 
  - After all the speculation, President Obama states definitively that he will protect Social Security  ProSense   Aug-14-10 12:27 PM   #112 
  - With such appointments to the catfood commission  ooglymoogly   Aug-14-10 12:33 PM   #114 
  - Obama also states...  Frisbee   Aug-14-10 12:37 PM   #115 
  - Trust  JJW   Aug-14-10 12:51 PM   #116 
  - No SS COLA in 2010, none projected for 2011.  GreenStormCloud   Aug-14-10 12:52 PM   #117 
  - I haven't gotten a raise in 2 years either  DatManFromNawlins   Aug-15-10 03:39 PM   #198 
  - That NYT article seems to cater entirely to the right.  go west young man   Aug-14-10 01:26 PM   #122 
  - we have a fierce defender on that commission, and she had the ear  mopinko   Aug-14-10 01:34 PM   #123 
  - Uh, aren't the Republicans accusing the Republicans of wanting to destroy it? (nt)  Posteritatis   Aug-14-10 01:41 PM   #124 
  - And yet it is Obama himself who appointed the Catfood Commission  MadHound   Aug-14-10 01:44 PM   #125 
  - Well then maybe he shouldn't have packed the deficit commission w/ Repubs  DWilliamsamh   Aug-14-10 01:45 PM   #126 
  - This point and others like it are extremely well taken.  Faygo Kid   Aug-14-10 02:22 PM   #131 
  - Incredible how the 'small gummint' GOopers are always at the bar  rurallib   Aug-14-10 02:26 PM   #133 
  - "Obama claims........"  pnorman   Aug-14-10 02:26 PM   #134 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-14-10 02:28 PM   #135 
  - Right. n/t  totodeinhere   Aug-14-10 02:46 PM   #137 
  - Perfect politics except  PATRICK   Aug-14-10 03:08 PM   #144 
  - Please tell us something we don't know. Of course they want to destroy it.  totodeinhere   Aug-14-10 02:45 PM   #136 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-14-10 02:53 PM   #141 
  - Wow, that's not a very flattering picture of today's young people.  totodeinhere   Aug-14-10 03:01 PM   #142 
     - Well, it was a little inflammatory, perhaps to goad some action.  SteveM   Aug-14-10 04:01 PM   #156 
  - Trying to destroy social security  purgetheGOPforever   Aug-14-10 03:41 PM   #148 
  - Yes, Mr. President. With the aid of conservadems on your very own  eridani   Aug-14-10 03:47 PM   #149 
  - THe GOP wants to destroy democracy...  Hubert Flottz   Aug-14-10 03:52 PM   #152 
  - The won't come out and say it directly  TexasProgresive   Aug-14-10 03:55 PM   #155 
  - No one has mentioned Pelosi's sell-out...  CTuttle   Aug-14-10 04:52 PM   #158 
  - They will need  Dan   Aug-15-10 02:12 AM   #192 
  - I seriously believe  awoke_in_2003   Aug-14-10 09:00 PM   #172 
  - then why set up a deficit commission packed with Republicans who want to eliminate SS?  yurbud   Aug-14-10 09:56 PM   #176 
  - "Claims" is a very tentative word in this context.  bigmonkey   Aug-14-10 10:19 PM   #179 
  - 75 years ago today on this date....Aug. 14, 1935 - FDR Signs Social Security Act .......  LaPera   Aug-14-10 11:09 PM   #181 
  - There's an awful lot of merit to that claim.  burnsei sensei   Aug-14-10 11:19 PM   #183 
  - As someone on this thread earlier  easilynervous   Aug-15-10 12:28 AM   #188 
  - republicans are thieves, they've been trying to steal soc. sec. since reagan  pitohui   Aug-15-10 01:15 AM   #191 
  - it's not just Republicans though, sadly...  nightrain   Aug-15-10 10:18 AM   #196 
  - Somehow I knew......  bobburgster   Aug-15-10 05:05 AM   #193 
  - Glad he's telling the truth for a change.  Vidar   Aug-15-10 07:32 PM   #200 
 

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