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13. Those were, in retrospect, the glory years," says Paul Helmke, former GOP mayor of Fort Wayne, Ind.,
Packing heat on the hill
The NRA is riding high; gun control is a political loser

By Will Sullivan

Posted Sunday, July 9, 2006

Oklahoma Rep. Dan Boren's Washington office features his hunting trophies, including a stuffed wild turkey and a mounted deer head. The freshman congressman's enthusiasm for firearms might always have stood out in the Democratic Party, but Boren now finds himself among an even more endangered species: Democrats willing to discuss guns at all.

"When we as Democrats are trying to reach out and speak to voters in the center of the country, I don't think that we can support gun control," he explains. After seeing Democrats hammered at the polls for voting to regulate guns, many of his colleagues seem to agree. As a result, a number of pro-gun measures moving through Congress will most likely face little opposition, as advocates of gun control increasingly find themselves marginalized and ignored.

Not long ago, it was the gun lobby on the defensive from the passage of the Brady bill in 1993 and the 1994 ban on "assault" weapons. But some say support for gun control cost Democrats the House in 1994, and former President Clinton credited it with Al Gore's 2000 presidential defeat. "It's different than it was in the early '90s. Those were, in retrospect, the glory years," says Paul Helmke, former GOP mayor of Fort Wayne, Ind., who recently took the reins of the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence.

Yup, lets go back to the GOP glory years.
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  -Obama to Seek New Assault Weapons Ban derby378  Feb-25-09 10:02 PM   #0 
  - Dumb. (nt)  w4rma   Feb-25-09 10:03 PM   #1 
  - In fact, the worst idea in the long, sad history of bad ideas  derby378   Feb-25-09 10:05 PM   #3 
  - This is the worst, most expensive use of political capital that they could have come up with. (nt)  w4rma   Feb-25-09 10:11 PM   #10 
  - Yep. This should be at the VERY VERY end of the agenda nt  anonymous171   Feb-26-09 10:15 AM   #127 
     - It shouldn't even be a part of the agenda  Abq_Sarah   Feb-26-09 12:48 PM   #165 
        - I'd agree to that. nt  anonymous171   Feb-26-09 12:59 PM   #168 
  - Oh, that reminds me: I need to send $ to the Brady Campaign  primavera   Feb-26-09 08:40 AM   #98 
  - I'm sure plenty of repubs are contributing to that REPUB organization.  benEzra   Feb-26-09 12:03 PM   #153 
  - I believe the government definition of "assault weapon" is "scary-looking."  sofa king   Feb-26-09 10:20 AM   #128 
  - Yep. dumb, dumb, dumb.  girl gone mad   Feb-25-09 10:57 PM   #36 
     - Yes Mr Emaul is thinking with his ass again  saigon68   Feb-26-09 05:55 AM   #73 
  - Stupid nt  Taverner   Feb-25-09 10:04 PM   #2 
  - Bad politics  Renew Deal   Feb-25-09 10:06 PM   #4 
  - Why? Have you been drinking the NRA Kool-Aid?  primavera   Feb-26-09 08:45 AM   # 
  - Apples and oranges.  Lost in CT   Feb-26-09 09:11 AM   #109 
  - Interesting point, thanks.  primavera   Feb-26-09 09:20 AM   #115 
  - RE: Why? Have you been drinking the NRA Kool-Aid?  vet4life63   Feb-26-09 10:03 AM   #124 
  - Well, politicians certainly don't represent the people's interests...  primavera   Feb-26-09 10:11 AM   #125 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-27-09 07:58 PM   #225 
  - Well, it might expend a lot of capital and energy  bitchkitty   Mar-01-09 08:33 AM   #243 
  - You're entitled to your opinion...  Not Me   Feb-25-09 10:07 PM   #5 
  - You welcome Democrats losing control of Congress?  derby378   Feb-25-09 10:09 PM   #8 
  - Those were, in retrospect, the glory years," says Paul Helmke, former GOP mayor of Fort Wayne, Ind.,  davepc   Feb-25-09 10:13 PM   #13 
  - I'm with you....why in the hell does anyone want an assault weapon..  movonne   Feb-25-09 10:14 PM   #15 
     - What's an "assault weapon?"  derby378   Feb-25-09 10:24 PM   #17 
     - No they cannot. Ugly suppressors and bayonet mounts.....Big magazines  cliffordu   Feb-25-09 10:46 PM   #30 
        - Hardly - "assault" means specific things  pasto76   Feb-25-09 11:30 PM   #47 
           - Why the fuck would they give you a semi auto rifle if you were going to be  cliffordu   Feb-26-09 12:00 AM   #55 
           - The army determined some time ago that....  tanngrisnir3   Feb-26-09 12:16 AM   #59 
           - In the hands of an 18 year old  Pavulon   Feb-26-09 10:26 PM   #220 
           - ROTFLMAO!!!  primavera   Feb-26-09 09:03 AM   #106 
              - Sorry, 18th Cent. "well-regulated" means in good working order.  FudaFuda   Feb-26-09 09:13 AM   #112 
              - Any chance you might have sources for that?  primavera   Feb-26-09 09:24 AM   #117 
                 - yep.  FudaFuda   Feb-26-09 09:38 AM   #119 
                    - Ah, a fellow sufferer!  primavera   Feb-26-09 09:45 AM   #121 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-26-09 11:00 AM   #133 
              - Or, you COULD have used the google and found THIS.  cliffordu   Feb-26-09 11:09 AM   #134 
                 - Good examples  primavera   Feb-26-09 11:15 AM   #136 
                    - Well...Reading helps.  cliffordu   Feb-26-09 11:25 AM   #137 
                    - That's an assumption on your part  primavera   Feb-26-09 11:33 AM   #141 
                    - 'Mkay.  cliffordu   Feb-26-09 12:01 PM   #151 
                    - But the word "militia" implies organization and oversight too.  wickerwoman   Feb-26-09 12:39 PM   #161 
                       - Your definitions of militia circa 1750+ are incorrect.  cliffordu   Feb-26-09 12:47 PM   #163 
                       - Except we don't live in 1750  wickerwoman   Feb-26-09 05:36 PM   #188 
                       - The term "militia" is defined in 10 USC 311  Alias Dictus Tyrant   Feb-26-09 07:45 PM   #199 
                    - Response  FudaFuda   Feb-26-09 12:24 PM   #157 
                       - Disorderly mobs do get organized, I'll grant you that  primavera   Feb-26-09 12:39 PM   #160 
                       - 'The Minutemen' are cowards and bullies and have nothing to do with the  cliffordu   Feb-26-09 05:35 PM   #187 
                       - That's exactly right. Welcome to Du.  cliffordu   Feb-26-09 12:47 PM   #164 
                          - LOL. I hear ya.  FudaFuda   Feb-26-09 01:02 PM   #171 
           - M16A2 is not a civilian rifle  FudaFuda   Feb-26-09 12:19 AM   #60 
           - "Regulate"  nedrgr21   Feb-26-09 02:32 PM   #182 
           - I give!! Come and take all my guns!!!  cliffordu   Feb-26-09 05:33 PM   #186 
           - Bullshit  michreject   Feb-26-09 06:00 PM   #192 
           - The M16Ax and M4 are NFA  Pavulon   Feb-26-09 10:21 PM   #218 
              - As Stalin said ...  FudaFuda   Feb-26-09 10:33 PM   #222 
     - Have you ever been in GD:P?  Renew Deal   Feb-25-09 10:39 PM   #28 
     - Most people target shoot with them. Bye,bye to the Dem congress in 2010. nt  cabluedem   Feb-26-09 06:22 AM   #77 
     - Target shooting, collecting, hunting, self-defense, teaching firearm safety to kids  slackmaster   Feb-26-09 08:53 AM   #104 
     - Why does the Administration need to not betray its voters?  davepc   Feb-26-09 09:07 AM   #107 
     - You mean a hunting rifle with a pistol grip... well hunters. nt  Lost in CT   Feb-26-09 09:12 AM   #111 
     - Why does anyone  Abq_Sarah   Feb-26-09 01:09 PM   #174 
  - God forbid we learn from lets just repeat it!  davepc   Feb-25-09 10:07 PM   #6 
  - This confirms that Holder's head's up his ass.  tanngrisnir3   Feb-25-09 10:09 PM   #7 
  - Holder was always a tool  saigon68   Feb-26-09 05:58 AM   #75 
  - Bad move. n/t  OhioChick   Feb-25-09 10:09 PM   #9 
  - Amendment II Democrats report on MySpace  derby378   Feb-25-09 10:11 PM   #11 
  - The Dems shouldn't be touching the gun issue even with a ten-foot pole  Odin2005   Feb-25-09 10:12 PM   #12 
  - lots of GUN OWNERS in this thread, I see  EraOfResponsibility   Feb-25-09 10:14 PM   #14 
  - I don't own a gun and I know it's bad politics.  Renew Deal   Feb-25-09 10:18 PM   #16 
  - Technically, they aren't taking anything away, rather, banning future sales. Not sure how I feel  Parker CA   Feb-25-09 10:31 PM   #24 
     - Banning future sales IS taking our rights away, however  derby378   Feb-25-09 10:36 PM   #26 
     - Talk of banning something is the surest way to increase sales  slackmaster   Feb-26-09 08:46 AM   #101 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Feb-25-09 10:25 PM   #19 
  - And thank your gods that we ARE here  derby378   Feb-25-09 10:26 PM   #21 
  - So what you're saying is...  primavera   Feb-26-09 09:12 AM   #110 
     - If you're done trying to twist me into a pretzel...  derby378   Feb-26-09 11:36 AM   #142 
     - I quoted you verbatim  primavera   Feb-26-09 11:45 AM   #145 
        - Not quite, you didn't  derby378   Feb-26-09 12:56 PM   #167 
        - Oh good, I'm glad to hear it  primavera   Feb-26-09 01:34 PM   #180 
           - My apologies for any confusion  derby378   Feb-26-09 02:11 PM   #181 
        - Do you know the definition of quote or verbatim?  Fire_Medic_Dave   Feb-26-09 09:59 PM   #213 
     - Yeah,  aandrews   Feb-26-09 04:55 PM   #185 
  - Lots of supporters of the Constitution you mean.  hack89   Feb-26-09 05:58 AM   #74 
  - By which you mean...  primavera   Feb-26-09 09:58 AM   #123 
     - I don't consider support for the 2nd amendment an ultra right wing position  hack89   Feb-26-09 05:51 PM   #190 
     - Another fake argument.  cliffordu   Feb-26-09 07:47 PM   #200 
        - What argument?  primavera   Feb-26-09 09:42 PM   #211 
           - I trumpeted no court decision.  cliffordu   Feb-26-09 09:53 PM   #212 
           - Please show where he mentioned a ruling.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Feb-26-09 10:01 PM   #214 
           - The RKBA...  DrCory   Feb-28-09 09:26 AM   #227 
           - By The Way...  DrCory   Feb-28-09 09:53 AM   #229 
  - Yes, they're an extremely vocal minority - n/t  primavera   Feb-26-09 08:16 AM   #92 
  - Yes, there are a lot of us on DU and in our party  slackmaster   Feb-26-09 08:45 AM   #100 
  - A lot of FREE SPEECH advocates  Abq_Sarah   Feb-26-09 01:22 PM   #177 
  - Yep. WTF is wrong with that???  cliffordu   Feb-26-09 10:24 PM   #219 
  - right, and everyone in the pro-choice threads had an abortion  Dukkha   Feb-28-09 10:30 PM   #237 
  - Smart! Hunters don't use 'em. nt  Captain Hilts   Feb-25-09 10:24 PM   #18 
  - Read the Second Amendment again...  derby378   Feb-25-09 10:29 PM   #22 
  - Join a well organized militia.  Captain Hilts   Feb-25-09 10:32 PM   #25 
     - In other words, you haven't read DC V. HELLER  derby378   Feb-25-09 10:38 PM   #27 
     - No, no, we all know what the five right-wing justices said  primavera   Feb-26-09 08:23 AM   #93 
        - This is no longer a "liberal vs. conservative" issue  derby378   Feb-26-09 11:31 AM   #140 
        - Then why did only right-wing Republican justices support your point of view...  primavera   Feb-26-09 11:37 AM   #143 
           - Please read the dissent and you'll find that Stevens & Breyer recognized RKBA but argued the 2nd was  jody   Feb-26-09 11:55 AM   #148 
           - The dissenting (not concurring, mind you) opinion...  primavera   Feb-26-09 12:16 PM   #155 
              - I said the question re the 9th was not posed but read Stevens/Breyer, both recognize RKBA. n/t  jody   Feb-26-09 12:22 PM   #156 
                 - Thanks, I'll keep looking  primavera   Feb-26-09 12:33 PM   #159 
                    - Below is an old DU thread that discusses the two dissenting opinions.  jody   Feb-26-09 12:43 PM   #162 
           - Everybody drank their own kool aid.  cliffordu   Feb-26-09 08:09 PM   #204 
        - Are you equating my stance on the second amendment with  cliffordu   Feb-26-09 08:08 PM   #203 
     - Why are you anti handgun... kinda of hard to conceal carry with a rifle. nt  Lost in CT   Feb-26-09 09:19 AM   #114 
  - Yes, Smart. We all recall the wave of popularity the 1994 law brought to the Democratic Party  davepc   Feb-25-09 10:30 PM   #23 
  - BOOM! goes the dynamite  derby378   Feb-25-09 10:52 PM   #33 
  - Well played, Sir!!!  cliffordu   Feb-26-09 08:11 PM   #206 
  - Yes, we do.  AtheistCrusader   Feb-26-09 12:24 AM   #61 
  - Most are illegal to hunt deer with, the bullets are too small.  Fire_Medic_Dave   Feb-26-09 10:02 PM   #215 
  - You are misinformed  slackmaster   Mar-01-09 08:48 AM   #244 
  - Define assault weapon?  Duckhunter935   Feb-25-09 10:25 PM   #20 
  - US Is A Vast Arms Bazaar For MexicanCartels  Bobbieo   Feb-25-09 10:44 PM   #29 
  - Don't see why law-abiding Americans should be punished as a result  derby378   Feb-25-09 10:49 PM   #32 
  - Then maybe Mexico should watch their borders better  Renew Deal   Feb-25-09 10:52 PM   #34 
  - The BATFE should be enforcing existing laws against straw purchases  FudaFuda   Feb-25-09 11:34 PM   #48 
  - Mexico should enforce its own laws  slackmaster   Feb-26-09 08:41 AM   #99 
  - Oh don't worry, that won't come back to bite us all in the ass or anything  Mr. Hyde   Feb-25-09 10:48 PM   #31 
  - Mr. Hyde - Ask DUs Nadin Brezenski (sp) about these drug cartels.  Bobbieo   Feb-25-09 11:01 PM   #38 
     - Drug Catels Are not About Drugs They are About Power -  Bobbieo   Feb-25-09 11:16 PM   #42 
     - And that's another place Holder has his head up his ass.  riverdeep   Feb-25-09 11:27 PM   #45 
  - Excuse me, Mr. President, sir. What about fucking health care?  MilesColtrane   Feb-25-09 10:54 PM   #35 
  - Say hello to a Republican majority for the next 20 years!  Nevernose   Feb-25-09 10:58 PM   #37 
  - And next, Holder proposes the beating to death of all puppies and kittens...  riverdeep   Feb-25-09 11:06 PM   #39 
  - On this one Holder does have his head up his butt  RamboLiberal   Feb-25-09 11:10 PM   #40 
  - I can see his point, who wants to be in the White House for eight years anyway.  billyoc   Feb-25-09 11:12 PM   #41 
  - Bad call. I believe that DC v. Heller stands for the proposition that  WheelWalker   Feb-25-09 11:22 PM   #43 
  - what is the definition, exactly, of "assault weapons"?  shireen   Feb-25-09 11:24 PM   #44 
  - That's when you draw and point your weapon first.  WheelWalker   Feb-25-09 11:29 PM   #46 
  - oh, ok ... that makes my kitchen knife an assault weapon. nt  shireen   Feb-26-09 12:40 AM   #62 
     - Gezactly  WheelWalker   Feb-26-09 12:47 AM   #64 
     - fire axe....  cliffordu   Feb-26-09 10:16 PM   #217 
  - Short answer: A small- to intermediate-caliber civilian rifle with modern styling.  benEzra   Feb-26-09 06:00 PM   #191 
     - thanks, and a follow-up  shireen   Feb-26-09 07:25 PM   #198 
        - Because the gun-control lobby specifically wanted to ban AR-15 type rifles  benEzra   Feb-26-09 08:11 PM   #205 
           - doesn't make sense  shireen   Feb-26-09 10:54 PM   #224 
  - No brain, no pain  Puppyjive   Feb-25-09 11:38 PM   #49 
  - What is an "assault weapon?"  derby378   Feb-25-09 11:51 PM   #53 
  - sigh! I've been waiting for someone to answer that question too.  shireen   Feb-26-09 12:43 AM   #63 
     - We've seen the bill. It was written in 1992. It's the Bill Holder is talking about making permanent  Mr. Hyde   Feb-26-09 01:03 AM   #66 
        - No, it hasn't...  derby378   Feb-26-09 11:28 AM   #139 
        - No, the old definition became moot when the AWB expired, and is not accepted among weapons experts  slackmaster   Mar-01-09 08:50 AM   #245 
  - Except, of course, that nothing that you said made any sense.  tanngrisnir3   Feb-26-09 01:02 AM   #65 
  - I highly doubt assault weapons have killed thousands of Americans  Lost in CT   Feb-26-09 09:22 AM   #116 
  - Where's the proof that "assault weapons" have killed "thousands of americans?"  Renew Deal   Feb-26-09 09:45 AM   #120 
  - Try to time your drugs. Pick one argument and try to stay on task.  cliffordu   Feb-26-09 10:29 PM   #221 
  - Of course you can have a tank...  LunaticRex   Feb-28-09 09:03 AM   #226 
  - Terrible idea at the wrong time. And our new President was on such a roll.  bertman   Feb-25-09 11:39 PM   #50 
  - I can't imagine he would make statements like this without approval.  riverdeep   Feb-25-09 11:55 PM   #54 
     - Well, I don't know about the approval thing. Do you think he asked the Prez for approval  bertman   Feb-26-09 12:07 AM   #56 
     - There you go. Obama just defined "assualt weapon":  patriotvoice   Feb-26-09 08:30 AM   #95 
  - Geez.. Obama's a very intelligent man but come on..  CRF450   Feb-25-09 11:46 PM   #51 
  - I am NOT a gun owner, but is Obama FUCKING STUPID????  file83   Feb-25-09 11:51 PM   #52 
  - Good. nt  onehandle   Feb-26-09 12:08 AM   #57 
  - WooHoo!  ProudDad   Feb-26-09 12:10 AM   #58 
  - So woman in high crime areas can longer conceal carry for their own protection?  Lost in CT   Feb-26-09 09:34 AM   #118 
  - thats basically the way Feinstein and Schumer want it.  Thothmes   Feb-26-09 06:31 PM   #194 
  - So, you've clearly never had a break in...  LunaticRex   Feb-28-09 09:49 AM   #228 
  - Well, if costing lots of votes while having zero impact on crime is the goal of politics,  petronius   Feb-26-09 01:04 AM   #67 
  - The ban should've never been allowed to expire  Ed76638   Feb-26-09 01:45 AM   #68 
  - You'll find that a great many of your fellow democrats disagree with you on this. nt  Mr. Hyde   Feb-26-09 03:21 AM   #70 
  - It expired because in the TEN YEARS that it was in effect, no justification for it materialized  slackmaster   Feb-26-09 08:55 AM   #105 
  - Unbelievably stupid. Let's hope the congressional Democrats have  Midwestern Democrat   Feb-26-09 02:28 AM   #69 
  - Chuck Scummer is behind this too  saigon68   Feb-26-09 06:03 AM   #76 
  - Oy, can we put this one off till the second term?  BootinUp   Feb-26-09 04:46 AM   #71 
  - I'm not so sure: Americans have very short memories, you know  primavera   Feb-26-09 10:55 AM   #130 
  - I'm not surprised given Obama's record of gun-control. Will AHSA's Ray Schoenke  jody   Feb-26-09 05:49 AM   #72 
  - what a stupid idea...  ixion   Feb-26-09 06:34 AM   #78 
  - Damn ! A LOT of rural dems gave Obama and the benefit of the doubt  hollowdweller   Feb-26-09 06:50 AM   #80 
  - Holder wants to help do what?  The abyss   Feb-26-09 06:41 AM   #79 
  - "automatic weapons" are covered by NFA enacted in 1934. AWB is for semiautomatic firearms. b/t  jody   Feb-26-09 07:13 AM   #85 
     - The passage of the 1934 Federal Firearms Act  The abyss   Feb-26-09 07:24 AM   #89 
        - Agree. That's why we got more gun control in '68.  FudaFuda   Feb-26-09 07:59 AM   #91 
  - And The Right Wingers Come Roaring Back  RedstDem   Feb-26-09 06:54 AM   #81 
  - This is flame bait. The article is about Holder speaking to stemming  geckosfeet   Feb-26-09 06:56 AM   #82 
  - Holder said "reinstitute the ban on the sale of assault weapons", i.e. AWB. What part of that don't  jody   Feb-26-09 07:16 AM   #86 
  - Is there, or is there not, a proposed change to U.S. law?  Wednesdays   Feb-26-09 08:49 AM   #103 
     - No.  geckosfeet   Feb-26-09 07:54 PM   #202 
     - Yes.  benEzra   Feb-26-09 08:59 PM   #210 
  - The American obsession with firearms is almost pathological  Eryemil   Feb-26-09 07:03 AM   #83 
  - It wasn't that way, until gun control began.  FudaFuda   Feb-26-09 07:09 AM   #84 
  - SCOTUS says government is not obligated to protect an individual unless she/he is in custody.  jody   Feb-26-09 07:19 AM   #88 
  - there are good reasons why citizens should have the right to bear arms  ixion   Feb-26-09 07:40 AM   #90 
  - That's for sure  slackmaster   Feb-26-09 09:09 AM   #108 
  - STUPID IDEA!  Joanne98   Feb-26-09 07:17 AM   #87 
  - Dumb, dumb, dumb idea.  camera obscura   Feb-26-09 08:26 AM   #94 
  - This is extremely stupid and disappointing - The old AW ban was a complete failure  slackmaster   Feb-26-09 08:37 AM   #96 
  - Of all the important work that desperately needs to be done  14thColony   Feb-26-09 08:39 AM   #97 
  - I very much lean pro-gun control, but  Wednesdays   Feb-26-09 08:47 AM   #102 
  - And lets get the Mexicans to actually check people at the borders  Renew Deal   Feb-26-09 09:48 AM   #122 
  - That didn't take long despite those who claimed he would be "too busy".  wartrace   Feb-26-09 09:18 AM   #113 
  - STUPID STUPID STUPID STUPID STUPID STUPID STUPID  anonymous171   Feb-26-09 10:14 AM   #126 
  - Political suicide.  progressoid   Feb-26-09 10:50 AM   #129 
  - i agree 100%  paradox   Feb-26-09 10:57 AM   #131 
  - Don't worry. Pelosi put an end to it  Renew Deal   Feb-26-09 12:28 PM   #158 
     - We can certainly hope so  derby378   Feb-26-09 12:53 PM   #166 
        - I agree  Renew Deal   Feb-26-09 01:25 PM   #178 
  - God, this is dumb. Dumb, dumb, dumb. nt  Occam Bandage   Feb-26-09 10:59 AM   #132 
  - Yep - there goes 2010, and 2012.  cliffordu   Feb-26-09 11:11 AM   #135 
  - Emaul and Scummer are clueless in the country  saigon68   Feb-26-09 11:41 AM   #144 
     - When criminals attack and seconds count, police are only minutes away. n/t  jody   Feb-26-09 11:48 AM   #146 
     - That's right all you have to do is keep the bad guys busy until the law arrives.  cliffordu   Feb-26-09 12:00 PM   #150 
     - Yep.  cliffordu   Feb-26-09 11:58 AM   #149 
  - Obama wants us to hold him accountable in his own words (YouTube)  jody   Feb-26-09 11:26 AM   #138 
  - Terrible Judgement  Mr. Mojo Risin   Feb-26-09 11:55 AM   #147 
  - Takin way are GUNS teh help FURRINURS!  mikelgb   Feb-26-09 12:02 PM   #152 
  - No, it just helps repubs, just like it did in 1994.  benEzra   Feb-26-09 12:07 PM   #154 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-26-09 01:00 PM   #169 
  - I seem to remember him saying "I'm not going to take away your rifle." n/t  FudaFuda   Feb-26-09 01:05 PM   #173 
  - I love gun threads...  LanternWaste   Feb-26-09 01:02 PM   #170 
  - Almost as much fun as debating abortion or evolution on a conservative forum  slackmaster   Feb-26-09 03:35 PM   #184 
  - Obama & Holder are sowing the seeds of the soon-to-be Republican Revolution of 2010.  tuckessee   Feb-26-09 01:03 PM   #172 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-26-09 01:09 PM   #175 
  - Pelosi tosses cold water on assault-weapon ban  platanoman   Feb-26-09 01:17 PM   #176 
  - I imagine she's pissed at being blindsided by this  Abq_Sarah   Feb-26-09 01:32 PM   #179 
  - I disagree with this  high density   Feb-26-09 03:00 PM   #183 
  - about the wrong idea at the wrong time...  Blue_Tires   Feb-26-09 05:48 PM   #189 
  - The ban had a big problem  mvd   Feb-26-09 06:22 PM   #193 
  - what loophole? what bullets?  FudaFuda   Feb-26-09 06:41 PM   #195 
  - Yes, I do  mvd   Feb-26-09 06:45 PM   #196 
     - didn't answer the question(s) n/t  FudaFuda   Feb-26-09 07:54 PM   #201 
        - It's not the topic anyway, but I'll do some - not that it will change your opinion  mvd   Feb-26-09 08:30 PM   #208 
           - Gun dealers DO run background checks at gun shows  FudaFuda   Feb-26-09 10:41 PM   #223 
  - "Cop-Killer Bullets" were already banned back in _1986_.  benEzra   Feb-26-09 08:34 PM   #209 
  - Ignorant  Pavulon   Feb-26-09 10:13 PM   #216 
  - What a dumbass.  scrinmaster   Feb-26-09 07:04 PM   #197 
  - Saying It And Doing It Are Two Different Things.  Paladin   Feb-26-09 08:17 PM   #207 
  - What exactly does one do with the guns that were once banned?  Jennicut   Feb-28-09 10:29 AM   #230 
  - They were never "banned" (popular misconception), they just couldn't have  benEzra   Feb-28-09 02:49 PM   #232 
     - Thanks. I guess I am just not the type to be into target practice  Jennicut   Feb-28-09 09:43 PM   #234 
        - You're correct; rifles of any type are only involved in about 3% of U.S. murders.  benEzra   Feb-28-09 11:00 PM   #238 
  - OH NOES! The Libruls are gonna take away our 2nd Amendment rights!!!!!  Honeycombe8   Feb-28-09 10:46 AM   #231 
  - No, it looks like Pelosi and Reid are putting the brakes on this, hard.  benEzra   Feb-28-09 02:50 PM   #233 
     - The most popular civilian rifles are assault rifles? News to me. I would've thought...  Honeycombe8   Mar-01-09 08:23 AM   #242 
        - "Assault weapon" is a term of demonization used to refer to the most popular civilian rifles  benEzra   Mar-02-09 05:52 AM   #246 
  - Idiotic...  sendero   Feb-28-09 09:45 PM   #235 
  - They'd like to, but it won't happen  Dukkha   Feb-28-09 10:26 PM   #236 
  - Actually the crime bill was successful in other parts but the  Jennicut   Feb-28-09 11:37 PM   #239 
  - Well putting more people in jail (Which the crime bill did) does reduce crime.  Lost in CT   Mar-01-09 12:23 AM   #241 
  - Personally I'd prefer to have an RPG tp take out a deer...  Imagevision   Feb-28-09 11:38 PM   #240 

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