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CitizenPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-18-08 03:33 PM
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144. with what majority? the house?
While Democrats technically have a majority in both houses of Congress, they only control the Senate 51-49 – and that’s only if you count Joe Lieberman as a “Democrat.”

To get real change, winning additional Senate seats in 2008 is a priority. But activists must be strategic in attaining this goal, and that means prioritizing four Blue States that currently have a Republican Senator up for re-election -- activists need to keep their eyes on the prize – and that is a Lieberman-proof majority.

As I said, the states did try to do this -- CA had it on their ballot and it got shot down. They needed CA to pass it to justify the "expense" to the other states (or some such long winded bs I didn't catch all of). Kucinich has been in there, fighting for us with all he's got. (Love that man). I've been fighting for the paper ballot thing for a while now -- I'm frustrated and angry, too.

Election fraud is already a violation of the DoJ's codes. The DoJ doesn't have to answer to anyone, because * took away congressional authority. That is what people should be pissed off about. The lack of checks and balances- the destruction of the constitution! And when congress asks for documents to begin charges or investigations which could lead to these changes we all want, what happens? The * administration refused to give them. They fail to respond to subpoenas. They destroy evidence. Missing emails. Etc. What would/could congress do???? Who is supposed to enforce their power? The DoJ.

This is the real insidious damage of the * administration. I began researching this a year or so ago, and came across a constitutional scholar who said that the single largest thing the Bush administration did was the politicization of the DoJ. That this would be his legacy, much worse in the long term than his many other crimes. Worse than what Nixon did, by far.


here's a note:
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The connection to the US attorney Purge is that a number of the fired US attorneys have been removed because they failed to bring criminal charges against people who committed technical violations of election laws with no intent of voting illegally. They have been replaced by highly partisan individuals who have no hesitation to convict someone for making an inadvertent error without any intent to commit a crime. That is, the Department of Justice is replacing ethical US attorneys with unethical ones who will use their very significant legal powers to advance the fate of the Republican Party rather than to control crime.

This effort at the Department of Justice was initiated and pushed through by Karl Rove. TPM Muckraker has clearly documented this based on the documents the Department of Justice has provided to Congress.

If Rove's actions and those of the Department of Justice do not constitute voter fraud, then the term "voter fraud" has lost all rational meaning.

http://politicsplusstuff.blogspot.com/2007/04/where-is-real-voter-fraud.html

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here's what congress is trying to do about this:

Leahy Testifies Before Senate Committee On Voter Disenfranchisement



WASHINGTON (Wednesday, March 12, 2008) – Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) testified today before the Senate Committee on Rules and Administration about voter disenfranchisement stemming from purported voter fraud claims. Last Congress, the Senate and House Judiciary Committees held more than 20 hearings to examine the reauthorization of the historic 1957 Voting Rights Act, which was later passed by Congress and signed into law by the President. Under Leahy’s chairmanship, the Judiciary Committee’s investigation into the mass firings of U.S. Attorneys has uncovered evidence showing that the pursuit of so-called ‘voter fraud’ has been used as a partisan tool designed to influence elections. Leahy’s full testimony is below.


http://leahy.senate.gov/press/200803/031208a.html
http://rules.senate.gov/hearings/2008/031208hrg.htm
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read Inspector Fine's report on the DoJ intern program, which many blow off until they realize these people were appointed for life. The DoJ violated federal law, and these people are not in "trouble" for anything. Who is going to hold them accountable? Cheney says he didn't order them to do these things, and the documents were "missing" when requested...

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Allow this to soak in for a moment: documentary evidence in personnel files at the US Department of Justice was destroyed, including notes on hiring decisions and other pertinent documents which are generally kept in all cases for review by employers nationwide should there be discrimination or other claims which require later review. They were destroyed. As in missing, taken out of the files, not there...before the OIG and the OPR could look at them.

http://firedoglake.com/2008/06/24/breaking-oig-and-opr-confirms-politicization-of-hiring-at-doj/
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here's some on that, but you can google it and rread his report right from the govt website.

http://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/2008/06/politicizing-th.html


I'm truly not making excuses for them; but if you see it that way, that's OK. I just hope you don't misunderstand my position. I'm not against standing up and making them accountable. I want to be sure I have a grasp on what the challenges are and what can be done about them. From what I've read, we are in a tough position until we have a president who can clean up the DoJ, and even then, these lifelong appointees who were picked on their fundy and political (GOP diehards with no ethics) are in there for GOOD. These are the people who decide whether or not to pursue "voter fraud" or "election fraud". That's the real trash and garbage of the * administration.

We need a majority in the Senate, a dem president, and some really clean, non-partisan lawyers to begin cleaning up the DoJ. This is the tip of the iceberg of the mess * created. We only see the results, not the molding festering destruction of our country's constitution. I applaud the spirit behind what your opinion; I hope you see where mine is coming from.

Have a great Saturday...and let's GOTV for everything it's worth to make it harder for them to steal.

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