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Sun Dec-09-07 07:48 PM
Response to Reply #32 |
| 34. I prefer to take my "strong evidence" |
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from more than 1 one page study published by a biased source. Any academic studies? Any studies produced by individuals who are willing to stake their reputations on the results by signing their name to it?
The real point is your making this statement in a thread discussing individuals murdered today by a mad man and somehow they had it coming because they were in church? because you think they might believe in the death penalty? Either your post is off topic for this thread or you believe that the victims had it coming, which is it?
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| -Shooting at New Life Church (Haggard's church, second shooting today) |
BleedingHeartPatriot |
Dec-09-07 03:20 PM |
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I cannot stand any of these fundies, but this is sad. |
niyad |
Dec-09-07 03:25 PM |
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2 dead per fox |
rodeodance |
Dec-09-07 03:29 PM |
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isn't that the two from arvada? local news isn't reporting any fatalities yet |
niyad |
Dec-09-07 03:41 PM |
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Nevermind, I misunderstood the content of the question. Not much yet on fatalities. |
BleedingHeartPatriot |
Dec-09-07 03:43 PM |
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If only they'd had the Ten Commandments posted there... |
Crunchy Frog |
Dec-09-07 03:32 PM |
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Could be the Pastor |
XboxWarrior |
Dec-09-07 03:42 PM |
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let's make fun of dead people! |
dwickham |
Dec-09-07 03:42 PM |
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Yes! Lets. |
Tulum_Moon |
Dec-09-07 03:45 PM |
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New Life does that? |
BleedingHeartPatriot |
Dec-09-07 03:47 PM |
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No Homeless allowed... |
XboxWarrior |
Dec-09-07 03:51 PM |
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2nd edit, thanks for the update. That building is huge. |
BleedingHeartPatriot |
Dec-09-07 03:56 PM |
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two separate incidents here--the shooting in arvada this morning and the shooting |
niyad |
Dec-09-07 04:08 PM |
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Thanks for clarifying. |
BleedingHeartPatriot |
Dec-09-07 04:13 PM |
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Not making fun of the dead people. |
Crunchy Frog |
Dec-09-07 03:48 PM |
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you ever hear of apples and oranges? |
dwickham |
Dec-09-07 03:50 PM |
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Latest update: |
BleedingHeartPatriot |
Dec-09-07 04:23 PM |
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Hospitals? What do they need hospitals for? |
MindPilot |
Dec-09-07 04:35 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Dec-09-07 09:57 PM |
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I didn't ask about the size of my "arse" |
MindPilot |
Dec-09-07 10:12 PM |
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Sure he does. What, you think Liberal Doctors heal gutshot wounds? |
tom_paine |
Dec-10-07 06:28 AM |
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Once again, to be a snarky shit in this thread |
spoony |
Dec-10-07 06:49 AM |
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So now I'm not only a "gigantic arsehole" but also a "snarky shit" |
MindPilot |
Dec-10-07 08:24 AM |
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CNN now says a suspect may have been detained. n/t |
Akoto |
Dec-09-07 04:28 PM |
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A.M. shooting on Faith Bible Chapel land--War on Christmas people |
Democrats_win |
Dec-09-07 04:40 PM |
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Both churches are mega churches. |
BleedingHeartPatriot |
Dec-09-07 04:44 PM |
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A death penalty society reaps what it sows. n/t |
Harper_is_Bush |
Dec-09-07 04:42 PM |
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Replace the words |
pipoman |
Dec-09-07 06:36 PM |
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That's a despicable comparison and a cheap attack |
Harper_is_Bush |
Dec-09-07 07:06 PM |
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Please direct me to this "strong evidence" |
pipoman |
Dec-09-07 07:23 PM |
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With pleasure |
Harper_is_Bush |
Dec-09-07 07:33 PM |
#32 |
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I prefer to take my "strong evidence" |
pipoman |
Dec-09-07 07:48 PM |
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whatever you "prefer" |
Harper_is_Bush |
Dec-09-07 08:22 PM |
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Then what is the purpose of your post in this thread??? N/T |
pipoman |
Dec-09-07 08:25 PM |
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ah. I point out your dishonesty, and you counter by asking what my purpose is. |
Harper_is_Bush |
Dec-09-07 08:36 PM |
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well.. |
pipoman |
Dec-09-07 08:52 PM |
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I answered your question. You're just being disingenuous. |
Harper_is_Bush |
Dec-09-07 09:34 PM |
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Which is |
pipoman |
Dec-09-07 09:51 PM |
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Ok fine. Don't be honest with me, and continue to compare me to Fred Phelps |
Harper_is_Bush |
Dec-09-07 09:55 PM |
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Why do you hate America? |
kestrel91316 |
Dec-10-07 03:17 PM |
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Not surprisingly, you failed to answer my question::: |
Harper_is_Bush |
Dec-09-07 09:47 PM |
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I don't necessarily agree or disagree |
pipoman |
Dec-09-07 10:07 PM |
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I made a statement. YOU decided to engage it. You say "I haven't really studied the issue"... |
Harper_is_Bush |
Dec-09-07 10:18 PM |
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To equate the death penalty |
pipoman |
Dec-09-07 10:27 PM |
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Well, you can sugar coat the events if you wish. I choose to do otherwise... |
Harper_is_Bush |
Dec-09-07 10:55 PM |
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He believes, like Fred Phelps, that WE AMERICANS have it coming. |
kestrel91316 |
Dec-10-07 03:11 PM |
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Who are you referring to when you say "He believes", sir? |
Harper_is_Bush |
Dec-10-07 09:25 PM |
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So, Harper_is_Bush, are you saying the Japanese have less respect for human life? |
slackmaster |
Dec-09-07 09:48 PM |
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Please don't play stupid games with me |
Harper_is_Bush |
Dec-09-07 09:53 PM |
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Japan has the death penalty |
slackmaster |
Dec-09-07 09:54 PM |
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And...... |
Harper_is_Bush |
Dec-09-07 09:56 PM |
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You can now attempt to put the Japanese on higher moral ground than US citizens |
slackmaster |
Dec-10-07 12:16 AM |
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I don't see any reason to do either of those things |
Harper_is_Bush |
Dec-10-07 07:35 AM |
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The death penalty is very rarely imposed in post-wr Japan |
pnorman |
Dec-09-07 11:05 PM |
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blah blah blah moral relativism blah blah blah |
slackmaster |
Dec-10-07 12:16 AM |
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I support the death penalty in certain limited cases (child rape/murder, |
kestrel91316 |
Dec-10-07 03:09 PM |
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That's not the real reason why the death penalty increases murders. |
IanDB1 |
Dec-10-07 06:15 AM |
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Completely rude post. Harper -is-Bush did not mean anything of the sort. |
vickiss |
Dec-09-07 07:07 PM |
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I find this bit of reason curious |
pipoman |
Dec-09-07 07:33 PM |
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That is NOT wtf I said at all. And I never had a 'giggle' at such misfortune for ANYONE, ever. |
vickiss |
Dec-09-07 10:31 PM |
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It seems to me you are the one jumping |
pipoman |
Dec-09-07 10:44 PM |
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You don't have to 'understand' karma, it |
vickiss |
Dec-09-07 11:27 PM |
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I wish |
pipoman |
Dec-09-07 11:46 PM |
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Happy Holidays to you also pipoman! |
vickiss |
Dec-10-07 04:47 AM |
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Get used to that poster accusing you of saying things you didn't say. |
Harper_is_Bush |
Dec-09-07 11:43 PM |
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We resolved it amicably after all. He can listen to reason when not |
vickiss |
Dec-10-07 04:54 AM |
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This still sounds bad. And they're already trying to dissuade anyone from thinking there's a |
BleedingHeartPatriot |
Dec-09-07 05:25 PM |
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Well, it IS like 70 miles between the two |
Robb |
Dec-09-07 05:32 PM |
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It's all very bizarre. The other church is huge as well, the shooting took place in one |
BleedingHeartPatriot |
Dec-09-07 05:37 PM |
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That 70 miles is an easy drive on the freeway. They sand and plow |
kestrel91316 |
Dec-10-07 03:26 PM |
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This is truly horrible |
comtec |
Dec-09-07 06:16 PM |
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Can we now have gun control?? after this and the Mall shooting?? |
ihelpu2see |
Dec-09-07 06:57 PM |
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The armed man who killed the shooter |
Pavulon |
Dec-09-07 07:31 PM |
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Pssst, |
BleedingHeartPatriot |
Dec-10-07 07:10 AM |
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It was breaking.. |
Pavulon |
Dec-10-07 06:53 PM |
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And how will gun control work? |
RamboLiberal |
Dec-09-07 08:02 PM |
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so how does it work in Canada or Great Britain? Both modern countries with |
ihelpu2see |
Dec-09-07 09:51 PM |
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I think both have a population that thinks much differently than U.S. |
RamboLiberal |
Dec-10-07 11:26 AM |
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I don't think that is so. We live in a country where you can be pulled over |
ihelpu2see |
Dec-10-07 05:54 PM |
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Canada and Britain are among the most murderous societies |
provis99 |
Dec-10-07 06:44 PM |
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Yeah,we had just as many murders in Canada as Chicago. |
Swede |
Dec-10-07 09:30 PM |
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We have lots of gun control now |
slackmaster |
Dec-09-07 09:49 PM |
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Both the Mall shooting earlier this week and the Church shooting today with |
ihelpu2see |
Dec-09-07 09:55 PM |
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That law didn't ban anything. |
benEzra |
Dec-10-07 10:31 AM |
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Exactly - that was a stupid law that did diddly except |
RamboLiberal |
Dec-10-07 11:49 AM |
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It banned the sk rifle that was used in the mall, if I recall correctly..nt |
ihelpu2see |
Dec-10-07 05:45 PM |
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SKS's weren't affected, no. |
benEzra |
Dec-10-07 06:28 PM |
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According to ABC an armed guard killed the gunman |
RamboLiberal |
Dec-09-07 08:00 PM |
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The church has ARMED security?!!!! |
mycritters2 |
Dec-09-07 11:03 PM |
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A church that wants to protect its money! |
drking81 |
Dec-09-07 11:08 PM |
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Churches aren't supposed to keep riff-raff out. nt |
mycritters2 |
Dec-09-07 11:31 PM |
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Your right, however |
drking81 |
Dec-09-07 11:38 PM |
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I think you're right. nt |
mycritters2 |
Dec-09-07 11:47 PM |
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The guard is for those occasions when god is moving in a" mysterious way". |
IanDB1 |
Dec-10-07 06:18 AM |
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It sounds like the "guard" |
pipoman |
Dec-10-07 10:46 AM |
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Okay. What kind of parishioner brings a concealed gun |
mycritters2 |
Dec-10-07 02:14 PM |
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well.. |
pipoman |
Dec-10-07 02:46 PM |
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A smart one |
Marie26 |
Dec-10-07 02:48 PM |
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One who anticipates an attack by those godless atheists or |
kestrel91316 |
Dec-10-07 03:29 PM |
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Apparently, the suspect was shot by a church security guard. n/t |
BleedingHeartPatriot |
Dec-09-07 08:01 PM |
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who ever heard of an armed |
Froward69 |
Dec-09-07 08:43 PM |
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When you have a church that size and collections with a lot of $$$$ |
RamboLiberal |
Dec-09-07 09:03 PM |
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Apparently the pastor feels the need for a personal guard |
RamboLiberal |
Dec-10-07 12:15 PM |
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Well, I'm a pastor, and I'd resign before I'd accept armed body gurads |
mycritters2 |
Dec-10-07 02:17 PM |
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Well, they were awfully smart to have an armed guard, weren't they? |
piedmont |
Dec-10-07 03:26 PM |
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A Christian drive-by? |
boricua79 |
Dec-09-07 08:54 PM |
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uh...haha?? n/t |
India3 |
Dec-09-07 09:57 PM |
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you have to be in the community |
boricua79 |
Dec-10-07 06:34 AM |
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Stephanie, 18, and Rachael, 16, of Denver, were killed in the shooting |
MathGuy |
Dec-11-07 12:51 AM |
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There are 8,000 murders by handgun in the U.S. every year |
gristy |
Dec-09-07 09:22 PM |
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I trust you were similarly objecting in the Omaha mall threads, too |
spoony |
Dec-09-07 09:55 PM |
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K*R What a tragic event this is. What the heck is goingon? n/t |
autorank |
Dec-10-07 01:53 AM |
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Here's my guess. Living in Tyranny, even for those who don't realize it |
tom_paine |
Dec-10-07 06:40 AM |
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Thank you! I didn't really expect my ? to be answered - bookmarked! |
autorank |
Dec-10-07 02:25 PM |
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Can anyone say Hypocrites? |
Froward69 |
Dec-10-07 08:00 AM |
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How do you know that if given shelter he wouldn't have snapped |
RamboLiberal |
Dec-10-07 11:29 AM |
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the the onsaught of hypothermia can make you loose rationality. |
Froward69 |
Dec-10-07 08:25 PM |
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There is reporting now |
pipoman |
Dec-11-07 12:31 AM |
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AND that he was dismissed from the group long ago. |
Froward69 |
Dec-11-07 07:50 AM |
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This isn't a shelter |
pipoman |
Dec-11-07 08:14 AM |
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Thank you for the assumptions. |
Froward69 |
Dec-11-07 08:41 AM |
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Self Delete |
RamboLiberal |
Dec-10-07 11:31 AM |
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I say good job by the female security guard |
RamboLiberal |
Dec-10-07 11:34 AM |
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Why the heck are some of you laughing about this? |
mainegreen |
Dec-10-07 02:31 PM |
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Yep. And then they want to know why they have no credibility.... |
Yael |
Dec-10-07 02:34 PM |
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Yeah,but they're white Christians. |
Swede |
Dec-10-07 02:42 PM |
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I'm with you - this is nothing to joke about |
RamboLiberal |
Dec-10-07 02:54 PM |
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Some DUers have no problem whatsoever with white Christians being murdered |
MathGuy |
Dec-11-07 03:20 PM |
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I would like to ask those of you who are questioning the need |
pipoman |
Dec-10-07 02:50 PM |
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Why are people who believe they've gained eternal life, |
mycritters2 |
Dec-10-07 02:53 PM |
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And why do you fear armed security? |
RamboLiberal |
Dec-10-07 02:59 PM |
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In case of what? |
mycritters2 |
Dec-10-07 03:02 PM |
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I realize their are Christians who |
pipoman |
Dec-10-07 03:43 PM |
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I refuse to participate in violence. |
mycritters2 |
Dec-10-07 03:45 PM |
#119 |
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So would you sit by and let more be murdered |
RamboLiberal |
Dec-10-07 04:00 PM |
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Behaving violently doesn't stop violence. |
mycritters2 |
Dec-10-07 04:03 PM |
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I think some people have tried your way |
RamboLiberal |
Dec-10-07 04:14 PM |
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It seems to have worked for Ghandi. |
mycritters2 |
Dec-10-07 04:16 PM |
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Ghandi's tactics worked against civilzed men. Against men bent on murder? NO. |
Countdown_3_2_1 |
Dec-10-07 06:33 PM |
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An admirable position |
pipoman |
Dec-10-07 04:58 PM |
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Good for you. If we all had this mindset, NONE of us would have to |
kestrel91316 |
Dec-10-07 07:22 PM |
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Just cause someone believes in eternal l life |
RamboLiberal |
Dec-10-07 03:59 PM |
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Someone who believes in eternal life, |
mycritters2 |
Dec-10-07 04:04 PM |
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ah but you never answered why you fear armed security |
RamboLiberal |
Dec-10-07 04:01 PM |
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Armed police are a form of violence. I'd look for other ways to |
mycritters2 |
Dec-10-07 04:05 PM |
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Then never call 911 if your home is ever invaded n/t |
RamboLiberal |
Dec-10-07 04:11 PM |
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you don't fear getting shot in the eyeball much, do you? |
Tejas |
Dec-10-07 09:32 PM |
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Colo. Church Gunman `hated Christians' |
Leo 9 |
Dec-10-07 04:34 PM |
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Security Guard was just on local TV here! What a hero. |
joshcryer |
Dec-10-07 05:42 PM |
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Since he hated Christians, is this a hate crime? |
ChazII |
Dec-10-07 07:48 PM |
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That's the question of the day. n/t |
rucky |
Dec-11-07 06:45 AM |
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Yes |
insleeforprez |
Dec-11-07 08:20 AM |
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Kudos to the guard... |
Stump |
Dec-10-07 08:45 PM |
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With the ammo on the guy - the lady saved A LOT of lives -nt |
democrat2thecore |
Dec-11-07 03:10 AM |
#147 |
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