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Fri Dec-07-07 06:12 PM
Response to Reply #47 |
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They advocate the elimination of a small percentage of the population for the "better good."
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| - Germany moves to ban Scientology |
eppur_se_muova |
Dec-07-07 02:56 PM |
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The entire country will be branded as Suppressive |
slackmaster |
Dec-07-07 02:57 PM |
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And they were being so tolerant lately! |
cbmanchester |
Dec-07-07 03:21 PM |
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Good work, Deutschland |
sasquatch |
Dec-07-07 03:00 PM |
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I don't know as I agree with this |
Mojorabbit |
Dec-07-07 03:01 PM |
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I don't think its because of the precepts of the religion |
knight_of_the_star |
Dec-07-07 03:08 PM |
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In that case they'd be better off dealing with the practices |
wtmusic |
Dec-07-07 03:41 PM |
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I dunno, if that's the reason then it is a criminal organization... |
Deep13 |
Dec-07-07 06:04 PM |
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Good point. |
wtmusic |
Dec-07-07 07:37 PM |
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Exactly, it's a business |
Warpy |
Dec-07-07 03:58 PM |
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Let me just say |
Karenina |
Dec-07-07 08:43 PM |
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Right, the stopped clock syndrome |
Warpy |
Dec-08-07 12:24 PM |
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I think its also the possible shades of Nazism |
knight_of_the_star |
Dec-09-07 02:28 AM |
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Agree, totally --- in fact, it's their moral duty to do just that === |
defendandprotect |
Dec-12-07 12:19 AM |
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Because it only became a "religion" to avoid legal entanglements |
LeftyMom |
Dec-07-07 03:21 PM |
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According to people in SF (Hubbard started out as an SF author), ... |
eppur_se_muova |
Dec-07-07 03:36 PM |
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Science Fiction, that is. |
quantessd |
Dec-07-07 04:06 PM |
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I thought it was Aurthur C Clark |
ideagarden |
Dec-07-07 04:24 PM |
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I heard he made that bet with Harlan Ellison |
Book Lover |
Dec-07-07 05:20 PM |
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I heard the bet was with Anton LaVey |
dancing kali |
Dec-07-07 07:12 PM |
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True...and he won the bet |
UnyieldingHierophant |
Dec-11-07 09:41 AM |
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Wish I could remember where I read it, it wasn't on the Web so can't google it ... |
eppur_se_muova |
Dec-08-07 08:06 PM |
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It's a pyramid scheme |
harmonicon |
Dec-07-07 03:48 PM |
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And that differs from other religions, how? |
PassingFair |
Dec-07-07 06:01 PM |
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Others have posted it here already, but... |
harmonicon |
Dec-07-07 06:55 PM |
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Well... |
PassingFair |
Dec-08-07 07:34 AM |
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well, in Germany, church taxes are collected by the local tax office |
reorg |
Dec-08-07 12:10 PM |
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It's VOLUNTARY. |
Karenina |
Dec-08-07 01:13 PM |
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well, I can tell you that much: |
reorg |
Dec-08-07 01:42 PM |
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Look, there have to be consumer protections --- ever buy a car? |
defendandprotect |
Dec-12-07 12:24 AM |
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Je$u$ wiped out my grandmother's life savings. |
Joe Bacon |
Dec-08-07 01:24 PM |
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Depends on which religions you talk about |
knight_of_the_star |
Dec-09-07 02:26 AM |
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Hahahahah SOOOOOO true! |
Marrah_G |
Dec-11-07 09:08 AM |
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Not a bad thing really |
knight_of_the_star |
Dec-11-07 04:07 PM |
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I can completely relate |
Marrah_G |
Dec-11-07 04:31 PM |
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Tell me about it |
knight_of_the_star |
Dec-13-07 01:24 PM |
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heres some of the problem. |
Sin |
Dec-07-07 06:22 PM |
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It's not a faith. |
kgfnally |
Dec-08-07 12:26 PM |
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yes, but this is not the question |
reorg |
Dec-08-07 12:50 PM |
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All religions are rackets. |
Odin2005 |
Dec-09-07 05:37 PM |
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IIRC a lot of the definition between cult and religion according to the Germans I spoke with... |
JVS |
Dec-09-07 11:57 PM |
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It's a con that bilks people out of large amounts of money |
Marrah_G |
Dec-11-07 09:02 AM |
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In fact, Dems here are starting to investigate the huge churches with no church --- !!! |
defendandprotect |
Dec-12-07 12:22 AM |
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Gosh, it sounds like Germany |
Turbineguy |
Dec-07-07 03:01 PM |
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! |
mycritters2 |
Dec-07-07 03:43 PM |
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"to be in conflict with the principles of the nation's constitution" |
Mountainman |
Dec-07-07 03:04 PM |
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sounds pretty arbitrary to me too |
wtmusic |
Dec-07-07 03:36 PM |
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Actually, they are usually |
Prophet 451 |
Dec-07-07 05:44 PM |
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Is this AFTER Cruises movie has been filmed there? |
benld74 |
Dec-07-07 03:10 PM |
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They do not want him there filming it in the first place |
sasquatch |
Dec-07-07 03:16 PM |
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Time for the popcorn |
Holland |
Dec-07-07 03:18 PM |
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Scientology is a cult, not a religion. |
quantessd |
Dec-07-07 03:22 PM |
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And that is different from the religions here how? nt |
T Wolf |
Dec-07-07 03:30 PM |
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Ding! goes the bell. nt |
wtmusic |
Dec-07-07 03:38 PM |
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Most churches that I am aware of do not demand money or fees, although it's certainly encouraged. |
quantessd |
Dec-07-07 03:49 PM |
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Thank you! That "all religions are cults" BS is *so* tiresome. (nt) |
redqueen |
Dec-07-07 06:18 PM |
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Not really, some are just more accepted than others. |
Forkboy |
Dec-07-07 06:27 PM |
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It's aboslute BS. |
redqueen |
Dec-07-07 06:29 PM |
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If you say so. |
Forkboy |
Dec-07-07 06:37 PM |
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No, not me. Experts in cults and deprogramming people. (nt) |
redqueen |
Dec-07-07 06:39 PM |
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One just bleeds you out quicker then the other. |
bagrman |
Dec-07-07 06:37 PM |
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Take it up with those who are experts in the field. |
redqueen |
Dec-07-07 06:40 PM |
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Not well-defined--a very thin line. |
wtmusic |
Dec-07-07 07:34 PM |
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This is true |
Mojorabbit |
Dec-07-07 10:49 PM |
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Normally I would be with you on this, but |
knight_of_the_star |
Dec-09-07 02:31 AM |
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Of course no religion would turn down money. |
quantessd |
Dec-08-07 02:24 AM |
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Religions are a little more subtle |
wtmusic |
Dec-08-07 03:45 PM |
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Your entire freaking post is bullshit. The bigotry here is disgusting. |
cryingshame |
Dec-08-07 10:28 PM |
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Apparently at the churches you attended they did not read from the Bible. |
wtmusic |
Dec-09-07 12:44 AM |
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A Religion is simply a cult legitimized by society |
Odin2005 |
Dec-09-07 05:45 PM |
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There is a simpler argument. Germany has a legal definition of "cult" |
JVS |
Dec-09-07 11:41 PM |
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You seem to have no idea what you are talking about |
reorg |
Dec-11-07 03:46 PM |
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Uh, yes, those little things called "facts are so tiresome, aren't they? |
Odin2005 |
Dec-09-07 05:41 PM |
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Organized patriarchal religions all began as "cults" -- using violene to force people to be members |
defendandprotect |
Dec-12-07 12:25 AM |
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It starts with a "C" and ends with "hristianity"... |
DutchLiberal |
Dec-07-07 05:46 PM |
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religion/ cult |
zidzi |
Dec-08-07 09:25 PM |
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Sounds like the rebubbalican party, doesn't it? |
Buns_of_Fire |
Dec-11-07 07:38 AM |
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They put it vaguely and |
PATRICK |
Dec-07-07 03:22 PM |
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Obviously they operate under a different constitution |
JerseygirlCT |
Dec-07-07 03:24 PM |
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The "organization" itself is the source of this behavior. |
western mass |
Dec-08-07 01:34 AM |
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Wow, Tom Cruise is gonna go APESHIT over this! |
edbermac |
Dec-07-07 03:24 PM |
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Isn't all this about some German movie involving Tom Cruise |
kokono |
Dec-07-07 05:54 PM |
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Well, they are dangerous nutters, much like neo-nazis. |
mainegreen |
Dec-07-07 03:27 PM |
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Those Type of "Nutters" are Not Just Indigenous to Germany |
fascisthunter |
Dec-07-07 03:55 PM |
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Indeed. |
mainegreen |
Dec-07-07 08:33 PM |
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That's True |
fascisthunter |
Dec-08-07 02:00 PM |
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With good reason |
knight_of_the_star |
Dec-09-07 02:35 AM |
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From the perspective of an atheist, that's a bad idea. |
sss1977 |
Dec-07-07 03:46 PM |
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That's right... |
CanSocDem |
Dec-08-07 08:29 AM |
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Please ban Amway too. |
sarcasmo |
Dec-07-07 03:47 PM |
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I Don't Agree with Banning Scientology However... |
fascisthunter |
Dec-07-07 03:53 PM |
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here is the report: |
reorg |
Dec-08-07 12:20 PM |
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Deutschland Uber Crazyass Grifters |
mitchum |
Dec-07-07 03:55 PM |
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Why not ban Bilderberg? That would include Schaeuble . |
CGowen |
Dec-07-07 03:55 PM |
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Because Bilderberg was founded by a German... |
DrDebug |
Dec-09-07 03:50 AM |
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Scientology violates the rights of its "followers" and refuses to allow them to depart |
Chulanowa |
Dec-07-07 04:51 PM |
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Sound like Islam. Are they considered apostates? |
seriousstan |
Dec-10-07 12:05 AM |
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They were responsible for the first net "spam" |
unc70 |
Dec-07-07 04:56 PM |
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A real democracy would allow even movements that want to undermine it. |
DutchLiberal |
Dec-07-07 05:45 PM |
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You have no idea how truly evil this group is. NT |
JMDEM |
Dec-07-07 06:20 PM |
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And you know me... how? |
DutchLiberal |
Dec-08-07 11:52 AM |
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Movements like National Socialism for example? |
lamprey |
Dec-08-07 09:02 AM |
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Purely theoretically speaking: yes. |
DutchLiberal |
Dec-08-07 11:56 AM |
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You're confusing democracy with civil liberties. |
Selatius |
Dec-08-07 02:08 PM |
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Tried that. Didn't work. |
JVS |
Dec-09-07 11:50 PM |
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I hope |
L1A1Rocker |
Dec-07-07 05:52 PM |
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Isn't it the same in France? It's considered a cult, so it's banned. |
krabigirl |
Dec-07-07 05:55 PM |
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What are the goals of the Church of Scientology? |
ShaneGR |
Dec-07-07 06:00 PM |
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here are the goals of Scientology |
flyingfysh |
Dec-07-07 06:04 PM |
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Actually, I just found a link, and its disturbing |
ShaneGR |
Dec-07-07 06:08 PM |
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hm, disturbing indeed |
reorg |
Dec-08-07 12:41 PM |
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Read the famous 1991 Time Magazine piece on "The Thriving Cult of Greed and Power" |
gauguin57 |
Dec-07-07 06:10 PM |
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Goals of Scientology? |
JMDEM |
Dec-07-07 06:26 PM |
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Here's why: Infringement of human rights |
BadgerKid |
Dec-07-07 06:07 PM |
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See my post #48 |
ShaneGR |
Dec-07-07 06:12 PM |
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the German "Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution" |
reorg |
Dec-08-07 03:50 AM |
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Scientology SHOULD BE outlawed |
kgfnally |
Dec-08-07 12:44 PM |
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nonsense |
reorg |
Dec-12-07 04:21 AM |
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Good riddance! |
Owl |
Dec-07-07 06:25 PM |
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I don't think we have to worry too much about the Scientologists reading this thread |
JMDEM |
Dec-07-07 06:32 PM |
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Cite? |
Greyskye |
Dec-07-07 06:45 PM |
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most have to use a special filter provided by Scientology |
flyingfysh |
Dec-07-07 08:25 PM |
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I wish all cults were banned, everywhere. |
redqueen |
Dec-07-07 06:49 PM |
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Ban cults? Careful DU might fit "exclusive group sharing an esoteric, intellectual interests". |
jody |
Dec-07-07 08:35 PM |
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except, DUers can't agree on anything except our disapproval of G.W. Bush. |
quantessd |
Dec-11-07 10:00 PM |
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wow. It didn't take long for the ethnic/racial slurs to break out here |
provis99 |
Dec-07-07 07:47 PM |
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"U.S. State Department regularly criticizes Germany... |
western mass |
Dec-08-07 01:16 AM |
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not really seeing a problem with this |
dwickham |
Dec-08-07 01:18 AM |
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GOOD n/t |
bitchkitty |
Dec-08-07 05:34 AM |
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Couldn't they say that of every "religion" and wouldn't |
pokercat999 |
Dec-08-07 06:17 AM |
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Banning cults is progressive |
windoe |
Dec-08-07 03:11 PM |
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Banning a religion, just like in the good old days! |
Psephos |
Dec-08-07 10:53 PM |
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The Tony Soprano defense. |
western mass |
Dec-09-07 12:49 AM |
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Then vigorously apply the laws that already exist against institutionalized thuggish behavior |
Psephos |
Dec-09-07 02:16 AM |
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It isn't exactly banning the religion though |
knight_of_the_star |
Dec-09-07 02:41 AM |
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How can banning the religion not be banning the religion? |
Psephos |
Dec-09-07 11:38 PM |
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Because it isn't a religion. |
Marrah_G |
Dec-11-07 10:06 AM |
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It's recognized as a religion by the IRS |
Psephos |
Dec-11-07 02:33 PM |
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What is that definition, though? And just because the IRS |
closeupready |
Dec-11-07 04:10 PM |
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This is about government sanction against a religion, so the govt definition is quite relevant |
Psephos |
Dec-12-07 02:19 PM |
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no, Scientology is NOT treated as a religion under German tax codes n/t |
reorg |
Dec-12-07 10:31 PM |
#154 |
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Too bad other countries aren't following their example |
kurth |
Dec-08-07 11:43 PM |
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Good-I hope they do the same here. |
jzodda |
Dec-09-07 04:01 AM |
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A government too weak to prosecute the many abuses... |
Orsino |
Dec-09-07 07:38 AM |
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I once agreed to take the Scientology "test", but they wouldn't let me use their bathroom |
MetaTrope |
Dec-09-07 09:10 AM |
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Got enough religions to abolish already... dont need new ones! |
Crayson |
Dec-10-07 10:31 AM |
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just let people believe what they want |
screennaame |
Dec-10-07 08:13 PM |
#127 |
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It is not a religion it is a well planned con game....good for Germany |
Marrah_G |
Dec-11-07 09:01 AM |
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Good. F*cking weirdos.... |
truebrit71 |
Dec-11-07 02:54 PM |
#135 |
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Great move on Germany's part! |
ButterflyBlood |
Dec-11-07 07:50 PM |
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This discussion is so pathetic and absurd it makes me cringe |
reorg |
Dec-11-07 11:08 PM |
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"Liberals, Greens, Leftists do NOT support this so-called "move" to ban Scientology." |
quantessd |
Dec-11-07 11:46 PM |
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by reading the damn papers |
reorg |
Dec-12-07 03:06 AM |
#149 |
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So, to clarify, you are saying that German liberals are against this? |
quantessd |
Dec-12-07 03:21 AM |
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against the useless attempt to make them illegal, yes |
reorg |
Dec-12-07 04:36 AM |
#152 |
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It's actually taking an entire NATION to rid itself of this cult --- !!! ???? |
defendandprotect |
Dec-12-07 12:15 AM |
#144 |
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Sure, but... Did Operating Thetons invade Iraq? |
Voltaire99 |
Dec-13-07 12:03 AM |
#155 |
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