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35. The Emails
E-mail from Troy Scheffler to Hamline University Vice President of Student Affairs David Stern, April 17, 2007
From: Troy Scheffler
Subject: I dont think the students need the counseling...
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:54 PM

Considering this university also pushes diversity initiatives like VA Tech, maybe its leadership will reconsider its ban on conceal carry law abiding gun owners... Ironically, according to a few VA Tech forums, there are plenty of students complaining that this wouldnt have happened if the school wouldnt have banned their permits a few months ago...

I just dont understand why leftists dont understand that criminals dont care about laws; that is why theyre criminals... Maybe this school will reconsider its repression of law abiding citizens rights.

Considering that accoriding to the university president that there were recently serious hate crimes that were committed in the womens bathrooms; there may be people on the edge ready to snap. I cant say I blame them, I myself am tired of having to pay my own extremely overpriced tuition to make up for minorities not paying theirs. On top of that, I am sick of seeing them held to a different standard than the white students (Of course its a lower and more lenient standard).

Oh by the way, when is your diversity department going to include European ancestry?

Troy Scheffler

E-mail from Troy Scheffler to Hamline University President Linda Hanson, April 19, 2007
>>> Troy Scheffler > 4/19/2007 10:15 PM >>

I was wondering why a swastika painted by some frustrated ladies in their bathroom turned somehow into red flags of a hate crime but you dont consider an asian guy admittedly killing people because he hated them not hate motivated... Anyhow, in response to your most recent email concerning a vigil for people most likely nobody in the school knows; I would like to comment on your claims of upped security. I attend a MPLS cohort so I dont see any security in the area ever. Infact it seems the dirty bums on the street are the only ones patrolling anything. I would suggest if you are truley concerned about student security, you lift a ridiculous conceal carry campus ban and let the students worry about their own security. VA Tech just recently passed their conceal carry permit ban; we can all see how well that worked for criminal minds. Ironically, many students from VA Tech are in online forums which I can direct you to complaining that 32 people wouldnt have died in the students rights were not infringed by
banning their legal right to carry their arms on their person. They take the argument that they would have shot the guy before he was able to massacre that many people; I on the other hand would argue that the guy wouldnt have even attempted this atrocity not only if we didnt pay for everybody and their mother to come here for free to soak up tuition funds but also that by knowing law abiding citizens carried weapons to defend themselves that criminals wouldnt be so bold to commit crimes against them...

As usual, Im sure this plea of common sense will fall on deaf ears as I recently responded to a general email notifying students of the conceal carry ban...

On a lighter note... For a Christian university, I am very disappointed in Hamline. With the motif of the curriculum, the atheist professors, jewish and other non-Christian staff, I would charge the school with wanton misrepresentation.

Yes, I obviously feel that Hamline has been a serious let down, so far I am almost finished with half of my MAPA degree and havent even cracked a book. All the books that came in plastic wrap are still in plastic wrap despite the ridiculous amounts students are charged. I have yet to hear a student in my cohort that is happy with the curriculum or quality of professors. Why does this school charge so much for such a substandard education?

Furthermore, why are you diversity initiatives anti-Euro American (ie white folks)? All over the university grounds I see loads of leftist propaganda, why not warn a student before they enroll at Hamline? It took me complaining to a few different people before even the hamline website finally included white people in the random pictures on the main page. If I remember corrextly it was like 1 white in a picture out of like 12... Now it is obviously better but just goes to show how biased this university is and the painstaking efforts of diversity pandering it does at the expense of people that are actually planning on contributing back to the TAXPAYERS that are footing the bill for your iversity initiatives. In fact, 3 out of 3 students just in my class that are minorities are planning on returning to Africa and all 3 are getting a free education ON MY DOLLAR. I bet the staff here is wondering how a swastika ended up in a bathroom... More people than you can imagine are tired of this all. Its just sad that they resort to petty vandalism rather than speak their mind like I am.

Please stop alienating the students that are working hard every day to pay for their tuition. Maybe you can instruct your staff on sensitivity training towards us privilaged white folk. If your staff is going to continually berate the evil white male for this privilage and his racist tendencies, at least have them explain where to find the privilages and point out the evil people that are ruining the world. Strange for how horribly racist Europeans and other white people are that everyone seems to want to exploit our generosity. Maybe someday the favor will be returned but I doubt it seeing what I have so far...

Thanks for your time...
Troy Scheffler

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  -Grad student suspended after pro gun rights e-mail SecularMotion  Oct-11-07 06:34 AM   #0 
  - After a brief look at the site, it appears that FIRE actually IS non-partisan  IanDB1   Oct-11-07 07:32 AM   #1 
  - What utter crap! So much for Universities being a place of HIGHER learning and DEBATE!~  comtec   Oct-11-07 07:46 AM   #2 
  - Did you read the e-mails?  Jeff In Milwaukee   Oct-11-07 08:06 AM   #6 
  - Making sexist and racist comments doesn't make you unstable  Mike Daniels   Oct-11-07 09:22 AM   #21 
  - did you read the emails? they struck me as unstable.  lionesspriyanka   Oct-11-07 09:29 AM   #24 
  - Racist. Sexist. Angry. Packing  Jeff In Milwaukee   Oct-11-07 02:28 PM   #33 
  - I take back my earlier statements, knee jerk reaction... I have now read his Emails  comtec   Oct-11-07 09:38 AM   #25 
  - universities have an obligation to keep campus safe for students too  lionesspriyanka   Oct-11-07 08:19 AM   #11 
  - Amen! That's exactly what I think about my coworkers too. n/t  woodsprite   Oct-11-07 08:30 AM   #12 
  - I think that's wrong.  Somawas   Oct-11-07 08:43 AM   #14 
     - sorry but as the president of an institution safety of students and faculty is a concern  lionesspriyanka   Oct-11-07 08:45 AM   #15 
        - If you think that justifies suppressing free speech rights  Somawas   Oct-11-07 09:22 AM   #22 
           - "Angry and racist" may not equal "crazy or dangerous"...  mac56   Oct-11-07 12:18 PM   #28 
           - dramatic much? i believe someone who rants and raves that everythign is someone elses fault  lionesspriyanka   Oct-11-07 12:21 PM   #29 
           - "free speech rights"  Bornaginhooligan   Oct-11-07 12:23 PM   #31 
              - Suspending the guy and making him have psych testing  Somawas   Oct-11-07 09:46 PM   #36 
                 - Many folk here is gonna blow. I totally understands. So why the hell can't I bring my gun to school?  struggle4progress   Oct-11-07 10:45 PM   #37 
                 - So you're one of those guys who thinks...  LanternWaste   Oct-18-07 02:35 PM   #50 
  - The guy's a racist and sexist.  Bornaginhooligan   Oct-11-07 12:22 PM   #30 
  - he's a lunatic racist with anger problems and he wants to bring a gun to campus  lionesspriyanka   Oct-11-07 12:26 PM   #32 
  - I forgot, rascists and sexists cant get an education  Sneaky Sailor   Oct-12-07 07:23 AM   #44 
     - racists and sexists who are coming apart and are angry and want to bring a gun to school  lionesspriyanka   Oct-12-07 10:57 AM   #47 
     - You should do like comtec did and read the e-mails.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Oct-18-07 02:00 PM   #48 
     - Are you actually trying to argue for racism and sexism?  EstimatedProphet   Oct-18-07 02:28 PM   #49 
     - You got it...  LanternWaste   Oct-18-07 02:36 PM   #51 
  - No, if the guys emails appeared mentally disturbed and the school didn't  superconnected   Oct-11-07 03:30 PM   #34 
  - sounds like was suspending for sending racist and sexist emails.  lionesspriyanka   Oct-11-07 07:54 AM   #3 
  - if he spells "truly" as "truley" what is he doing in graduate school...I know  Mend   Oct-11-07 08:06 AM   #5 
     - there are several spelling errors in his superior race emails.  lionesspriyanka   Oct-11-07 08:09 AM   #7 
  - The guy's email comments don't do much to endear me to him...  Nabeshin   Oct-11-07 08:06 AM   #4 
  - if someone claimed superior race and then wanted to bring a gun to school  lionesspriyanka   Oct-11-07 08:10 AM   #8 
  - I truly believe that if his email had been calm and lucid and he had  Dhalgren   Oct-11-07 08:41 AM   #13 
     - i agree. this was not a rational debate for guns on campus  lionesspriyanka   Oct-11-07 08:46 AM   #17 
        - I agree completely.  Dhalgren   Oct-11-07 09:10 AM   #19 
  - His 'superior white, male as victim' rants are enough for me to support the university's  sinkingfeeling   Oct-11-07 08:17 AM   #9 
  - exactly what i thought. the guys needs a psych evaluation  lionesspriyanka   Oct-11-07 08:18 AM   #10 
  - This part of the 2nd email is what really got to me:  wicket   Oct-11-07 08:45 AM   #16 
  - Hamline has the right to suspend any student, any time it wants  mac56   Oct-11-07 09:09 AM   #18 
  - did you read the emails? i would have suspended him too.  lionesspriyanka   Oct-11-07 09:21 AM   #20 
  - I read the emails, the guy sounds unhinged and on the edge  slackmaster   Oct-11-07 09:29 AM   #23 
  - I neednt read any other posts ....  Trajan   Oct-12-07 02:40 AM   #40 
     - That's quite a compliment, Trajan!  slackmaster   Oct-12-07 09:35 AM   #46 
  - "victim disarmament zones"  Turbineguy   Oct-11-07 10:07 AM   #26 
  - How the hell did he get into graduate school with such poor grammar and spelling?  SyntaxError   Oct-11-07 11:35 AM   #27 
  - I worked as Basic Writing tutor when I was an undergraduate at UCSD  slackmaster   Oct-12-07 09:34 AM   #45 
  - The Emails  superconnected   Oct-11-07 03:35 PM   #35 
  - The degree of hostility is alarming  aaronbees   Oct-11-07 11:38 PM   #38 
  - He sounds quite a bit like "that Asian guy" himself n/t  eridani   Oct-12-07 04:14 AM   #42 
  - Overreaction, the school needs to apologize and move on  sasquatch   Oct-12-07 12:52 AM   #39 
  - They didn't overreact, and have nothing to apologize for.  mac56   Oct-12-07 07:03 AM   #43 
  - Based on...?  LanternWaste   Oct-18-07 02:39 PM   #52 
  - If I were a faculty member at Hamline, I would not that guy on campus  Lydia Leftcoast   Oct-18-07 05:09 PM   #55 
  - As a liberal , I am shocked that so many ppl in this thread  Brrrp   Oct-18-07 06:14 PM   #56 
  - The "liberal" media strikes again  Autobot77   Oct-12-07 03:32 AM   #41 
  - He doesn't sound mentally healthy, but then again he sounds like a typical conservative.  DuaneBidoux   Oct-18-07 03:56 PM   #53 
  - Something non-Minnesotans may not know  Lydia Leftcoast   Oct-18-07 05:04 PM   #54 
  - As do 48 out of the 50 states...  benEzra   Oct-18-07 09:08 PM   #57 
     - I think he was suspended for being a hate-ridden nutcase, since  Lydia Leftcoast   Oct-18-07 09:35 PM   #58 
  - This really is a rock and a hard place.  tomg   Oct-18-07 10:07 PM   #59 
  - This goes beyond free speech  KingFlorez   Oct-18-07 10:29 PM   #60 
  - I don't care if they suspend him  tkmorris   Oct-19-07 02:43 AM   #61 

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