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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-27-06 12:09 PM
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20. Anyone listening to Thom Hartmann today?
Damn is he doing a good job of explaining why "illegal" immigration is destroying those who aspire to the middle class. I agree with Thom and not Bush or with the Repukes.

It's my belief that "illegal" immigration is driving down wages and taking away jobs. I liken the situation has a similar history to what happened in much of this country mid-late 1800's through early 1930's that became the foundation of the labor movement. The industrial barons like Carnegie, Henry Frick, Rockefeller's, etc. imported and used immigrants in their mines, mills and railroads as cheap replaceable labor. When one group would try to organize and demand better wages and working conditions the Carnegies and Fricks would import desparate new workers from another section of Europe.

My ancestors were those immigrants from Germany and Slovakia. I heard the brutal stories of a brutal 24 shift change workday in hot steel mills, and the loss of limbs and deaths working in the rail yards.

IMHO Bush supports guest workers to provide cheap labor to his business minions.
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  -Bush: Immigrants Have Shaped America's Identity sabra  Mar-27-06 10:16 AM   #0 
  - I'm going to hand it to the president on this one  wtmusic   Mar-27-06 10:21 AM   #1 
  - Like "even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while?" nt  Southsideirish   Mar-27-06 10:33 AM   #8 
  - This is the first statement he's ever made  wtmusic   Mar-27-06 10:36 AM   #9 
     - I agree with it as well  da_chimperor   Mar-28-06 01:07 PM   #66 
  - Same here. I never thought I'd agree with the man on anything. nt  raccoon   Mar-27-06 11:41 AM   #16 
  - yeah -- it must be upside-down day, or something!  Lisa   Mar-27-06 03:04 PM   #30 
  - Not only is he right on this but he's been consistent.  VirginiaDem   Mar-27-06 03:31 PM   #47 
  - I have no problem with 'immigrants'. It's the 'ILLEGAL immigrants'  AzDar   Mar-27-06 10:22 AM   #2 
  - Prohibition made alcohol illegal...  KevinJ   Mar-27-06 12:36 PM   #22 
  - I personally disagree with MANY laws; however, if I knowingly violate  AzDar   Mar-27-06 12:58 PM   #25 
     - Agreed  KevinJ   Mar-27-06 01:10 PM   #26 
     - I've broken laws in actions of civil disobedience  mycritters2   Mar-27-06 03:15 PM   #33 
        - Yet you consciously and willfully broke the law anyway  KevinJ   Mar-28-06 11:40 AM   #64 
  - Amen to that! n/t  silverojo   Mar-28-06 12:33 AM   #61 
  - Now that he has outsourced all the high-paying jobs, he wants to have  BrklynLiberal   Mar-27-06 10:23 AM   #3 
  - Laid-off office workers used to be able to get by as a roofer or gardener  kurth   Mar-27-06 11:00 AM   #12 
  - There go my people - I must hurry to  Rose Siding   Mar-27-06 10:23 AM   #4 
  - Guess he should have thought about that before starting  MadMaddie   Mar-27-06 10:23 AM   #5 
  - "He is the stupidest human on earth" being manipulated by the evilest men  BrklynLiberal   Mar-27-06 10:25 AM   #6 
     - He'd rather advocate for cheap labor than a living wage  mycritters2   Mar-27-06 03:17 PM   #34 
  - When Bush is a voice of moderation  ugarte   Mar-27-06 10:25 AM   #7 
  - must be a part of his new makeover?  rodeodance   Mar-27-06 10:52 AM   #10 
  - He's a vocie for cheap labor  mycritters2   Mar-27-06 03:17 PM   #35 
  - yes a voice for cheap labor  pitohui   Mar-27-06 05:37 PM   #52 
     - Remember when the Dems were the pary of organized labor?  mycritters2   Mar-27-06 05:50 PM   #53 
  - it's a cover up  shanti   Mar-27-06 03:29 PM   #44 
  - Illegal immigrants are ILLEGAL, dipshit  kurth   Mar-27-06 10:56 AM   #11 
  - So were we, if you'll recall  KevinJ   Mar-27-06 11:29 AM   #14 
     - None had formal mechanisms.  igil   Mar-27-06 12:45 PM   #23 
  - Most citizen that I've talked to, including people who post on DU  fasttense   Mar-27-06 11:25 AM   #13 
  - But his base is also full of the racists and the ignorant.  SemiCharmedQuark   Mar-28-06 08:17 PM   #69 
  - Yes, we have  Lone_Star_Dem   Mar-27-06 11:39 AM   #15 
  - He's pitching to Latinos  KevinJ   Mar-27-06 12:17 PM   #21 
  - He's playing to his base--the cheap labor conservatives  mycritters2   Mar-27-06 03:19 PM   #37 
     - You got it!  0007   Mar-27-06 07:29 PM   #58 
  - Bush skews the issue once again. No one is debating immigration...  Zenlitened   Mar-27-06 11:44 AM   #17 
  - Wow  proud2Blib   Mar-27-06 11:51 AM   #18 
  - In other words corporations want cheap labor.  superconnected   Mar-27-06 12:00 PM   #19 
  - And he's going to do the bidding of the corporations  mycritters2   Mar-27-06 03:20 PM   #38 
  - Anyone listening to Thom Hartmann today?  RamboLiberal   Mar-27-06 12:09 PM   #20 
  - There's always a horde of cheaper labor ready to take your job, or if "no  candice   Mar-27-06 03:15 PM   #32 
  - "Why is that?" How can you even ask that?  KevinJ   Mar-28-06 12:10 PM   #65 
  - Not Listening Today. But Hartmann Has The Destruction Of The Middle Class  loindelrio   Mar-27-06 03:27 PM   #42 
  - I suppose you'll also believe welfare queens ruined the middle class  superconnected   Mar-27-06 06:21 PM   #56 
  - This POS is just talking to appease the public.  pinniped   Mar-27-06 12:56 PM   #24 
  - When the Bush family immigrated to the US they should have  Blaze Diem   Mar-27-06 01:41 PM   #27 
  - Whatever you say, George. I'm going to fill out aps to  theophilus   Mar-27-06 01:51 PM   #28 
  - Shrub reads what the Corps want him to say,  Disturbed   Mar-27-06 02:58 PM   #29 
  - Since when did the U.S. have an immigration policy?  candice   Mar-27-06 03:12 PM   #31 
  - Translation: the big corporations need cheap foreign labor  coalition_unwilling   Mar-27-06 03:17 PM   #36 
  - Why do so few here see this?!  mycritters2   Mar-27-06 03:22 PM   #39 
     - This is the globalization\NAFTA swindle. To wit,  coalition_unwilling   Mar-27-06 03:25 PM   #41 
     - Apparently they are incredibly stupid  mitchum   Mar-27-06 04:17 PM   #49 
     - Agree 100%, Bush wants  Indy_Dem_Defender   Mar-27-06 06:14 PM   #55 
     - I see it  ekelly   Mar-27-06 11:32 PM   #59 
  - But . . But . . But "We're A Nation Of Immigrants"  loindelrio   Mar-27-06 03:24 PM   #40 
  - ROFLMAO!  mycritters2   Mar-27-06 03:30 PM   #45 
  - this "illegal immigration" issue is a smokescreen!  shanti   Mar-27-06 03:27 PM   #43 
  - Shanti,, good thoughts...but WHY now is a good question? Why  Catfight   Mar-27-06 05:59 PM   #54 
  - LEGAL immigrants have shaped America's identity...  Triana   Mar-27-06 03:31 PM   #46 
  - Wow, what an inflammatory post. Sure am glad you backed it up with  SemiCharmedQuark   Mar-28-06 08:06 PM   #68 
     - Paul Krugman: Illegal immigrants hurt our working poor  Triana   Mar-29-06 10:41 AM   #71 
        - Borjas' study is open to debate  KevinJ   Mar-29-06 11:06 AM   #72 
  - Spoken like a true cheap labor conservative  mitchum   Mar-27-06 04:14 PM   #48 
  - There are a surprising number of those on this board  mycritters2   Mar-27-06 05:02 PM   #50 
  - I agree that " Immigrants have shared America's identity" but  doc03   Mar-27-06 05:25 PM   #51 
  - immigrants are a distraction. They are actually keeping our GNP  superconnected   Mar-27-06 06:27 PM   #57 
  - Good post  fujiyama   Mar-28-06 12:08 AM   #60 
  - Now don't go calling me a twit.  megatherium   Mar-28-06 03:35 PM   #67 
  - Immigrants are a distraction, this is an age old tool.  SemiCharmedQuark   Mar-28-06 08:18 PM   #70 
     - Yeah. First it was the Germans, the Irish, the Italians, the Poles, etc...  Zynx   Mar-29-06 12:40 PM   #73 
  - Nothing wrong with that, George, well done, for a change.  baby_mouse   Mar-28-06 10:12 AM   #62 
  - Illegals don't want to be illegal  judaspriestess   Mar-28-06 10:20 AM   #63 

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